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10-07-2013, 12:59 PM
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Here is my question, last year at the end, when we had all the injuries, and we started to employ a more defensive structured game, who was mainly behind that? Was it Lavi? or did Berube actually help systematically implementing it? That style of play is what we need to adopt.

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Messier still has a position in the Rangers organization. Something tells me he's not too upset about no being named head coach.
Does he? I thought he left their organization after being overlooked. My mistake.

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Does he? I thought he left their organization after being overlooked. My mistake.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Messier

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I mean I guess there's a chance that he would want to coach the Flyers, but it seems like he loves the Rangers organization.

EDIT: Or maybe I'm wrong. I think Wikipedia lied to me

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Here is my question, last year at the end, when we had all the injuries, and we started to employ a more defensive structured game, who was mainly behind that? Was it Lavi? or did Berube actually help systematically implementing it? That style of play is what we need to adopt.
If I actually recall correctly ..the new "wrinkle" on the D as it was termed was something suggested by Paddock (the new eye in the sky) ..I vaguely remember a reference to it but I'm not certain. I don't think it was Lavi's scheme...he is not capable of such defensive adaptations ...

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Here is my question, last year at the end, when we had all the injuries, and we started to employ a more defensive structured game, who was mainly behind that? Was it Lavi? or did Berube actually help systematically implementing it? That style of play is what we need to adopt.
It was Berube who helped implement it. Laviolette used it as a last resort.

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10-07-2013, 01:04 PM
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so Snider says the Flyers looked lost. ok ill buy that. the senile old goat isnt totally blind. But not canning a guy who was also behind the bench during this awfull stretch of play dating back to last season? nope he gets the head coaching position. brilliant. just brilliant. loyalty baby. loyalty. gotta keep it in the family.
somethings never change.

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If I actually recall correctly ..the new "wrinkle" on the D as it was termed was something suggested by Paddock (the new eye in the sky) ..I vaguely remember a reference to it but I'm not certain. I don't think it was Lavi's scheme...he is not capable of such defensive adaptations ...
It was Berube who put the plan into motion. I'm very comfortable with Paddock being an assistant going forward though. The man is very credible with regards to defense and he's going to really help this club in terms of defensive schemes.

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Does he? I thought he left their organization after being overlooked. My mistake.
He has another venture, something to do with building ice rinks in New York city. He was recently appointed to the role.

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Is there a link for the pressor anywhere? i cant find it

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It was Berube who helped implement it. Laviolette used it as a last resort.
Yeh, that is what I remember hearing, but Paddock and Berube both being the guys behind/involved in it.

It made an AHL D look decent at an NHL level. And frustrated opposition and gave our forwards more time. The other D could not cheat on a 1-3-1 as if they did they did and the Flyers D man got past the first guy it was basically a scoring situation for our RW or LW if the dump/pass was good, so they had to spread the D and move one closer to the wall. A 1-3-1 should really not work without a red line, you basically have to cheat on D and hope for perfect discipline and few bad bounces... unless you have perfect personal, a great puck handling goalie... and are basically allowed to interfere on every play. (So the Devils two years back.)

That was exactly how you should adjust... and similar to how Boston have played vs anyone trying to trap.

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It was Berube who helped implement it. Laviolette used it as a last resort.
Was it? Like noted above I remember they mentioned Paddock. Having said this....after Bryz's first season why did Holmgren and Snider come out publically and say the coach had to change his system to be tighter defensively but would not fire him instead! Seriously, it just shows how idiotic they were in keeping Lavi so long. Remember Lavi even was basically saying he wasn't going to change things up when they made those statements? His system was what it was and the players just had to implement it. He won a cup with it and there were others making the same argument. Kind of like Torts who when questioned about how taxing his defensive game was with the blocks etc said it's worked for him in the past and he won't change it. Now we'll see how he does in Vancouver with it...

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Bryz deserved every shred of criticism he got. He was putrid. A lot of pro-hockey GMs agree with me, hence why all he could find was a tryout deal in the ECHL. He was seriously THAT bad.
honestly, I think this is more for the off ice baggage than his on ice play. Anywhere he goes would be a media circus, he won't want to be a backup ect.

He was never worth 5.7, but he's better than the Echl.

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Is there a link for the pressor anywhere? i cant find it
It is on TSN.ca.

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It is on TSN.ca.
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It was Berube who put the plan into motion. I'm very comfortable with Paddock being an assistant going forward though. The man is very credible with regards to defense and he's going to really help this club in terms of defensive schemes.
Ok so it was the both of them.....Paddock was the initiator though?

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It's about damn time.

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Trade Giroux and Voracek!

Give G five more games to put up points, if he can not play like he should time to trade him

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Im sure he knew he was on the hotseat. Everyone else knew he was.


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So essentially both Paddock and Berube implemented that system that made the team not look like a pile of ****?

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Give G five more games to put up points, if he can not play like he should time to trade him
I think I found a replacement for Holmgren.

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I hope you're joking.

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Part of the offered remark (though the total years may have been different) in the presser by a media member (was that Eskin?) has been checked by Sam @ the Inq.:

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In the last 25 years, #Flyers have had 12 coaches.Only the Isles (13), Rangers (13), Flames (14) and Devils (14) have had more in that span.

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So essentially both Paddock and Berube implemented that system that made the team not look like a pile of ****?
It seems so....like it was noted..they had no choice once the injuries piled up..they had to keep things simple with the simpletons they had as reserves (Gervais, Foster, Huskins).

Again what is irritating is that Holmgren went and assembled a stay at home D corps and let Carle go to "protect" Bryz better as the argument went but it was ill-suited for the coach to implement his system until it was even more obvious once the injuries set in. Then the Flyers got Paddock as the eye in the sky.....I mean all this crap to accomodate a coach that wasn't willing or capable of adapting..not to mention a goalie with a crappy attitude. This is why Holmgren doesn't get a free pass in any of this. If you don't like your coach's system anymore you don't try to impose it on him with the wrong personnel or dictating he has to change his style..particularly in public. Then Snider tagged on.

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Ok so it was the both of them.....Paddock was the initiator though?
It probably was. It's good to see two of the coaches on the same page. I'm wondering with Laviolette, McCarthy and Mullen gone, if maybe there was a rift amongst the coaches........

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I never wanted lavy fired, but this season so far has changed my mind.

Really liked the guy though.

Hopefully Berube can salvage this season

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