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10-07-2013, 05:49 PM
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Bolded is because your confirmation bias helps you see that, and allows you to block out the young people who do have values and do work for their stuff.
No bias, just reality dude. It's pretty bad, and sad.

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And it's from experience the last 20 years as a business owner. Seemed like the last 10 years got worse

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Not only is this generation disrespectful but they're so lazy too. I try like hell to teach this generation a career as a business owner and they just feel they should be entitled, they don't want to work.
Anyway, I wasn't against Messier but I can also see why some others wanted to stay away from him. But like I read earlier he was willing to put his legacy on the line, he's got brass balls.
Go Rangers!

ps and after watching the game last week I'm not so sold on this coach just yet
So you think the current generation acts entitled and doesn't want to pay their dues?

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Not only is this generation disrespectful but they're so lazy too. I try like hell to teach this generation a career as a business owner and they just feel they should be entitled, they don't want to work.
Anyway, I wasn't against Messier but I can also see why some others wanted to stay away from him. But like I read earlier he was willing to put his legacy on the line, he's got brass balls.
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ps and after watching the game last week I'm not so sold on this coach just yet

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10-07-2013, 05:51 PM
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No but he should be the GM anyone is better than Sather.
gee, I'm glad your standards are so high. Ladies and Gentlemen, the new GM of the New York Rangers, Mike Milbury! seriously, watch what you say.

Sad to see Mark go but serious entitlement issues in his post-NHL career. It's been like 10 years now since he retired and assistant to Sather and like 4 games coached at a Spengler Cup or something like that is the entirety of his resume I can muster up. He needs to take his career seriously if he wants employers to take him seriously. That said, I wonder if the Rangers ever offered him an actual position like scout or assistant GM.

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So you think the current generation acts entitled and doesn't want to pay their dues?
I don't think, I know
But let's keep it to hockey, didn't really want to start a whole thread about it, let's move on

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That's ignorance. You can't say that, and not have experienced majority of younger men and women. It's the biggest pot meet kettle ever...

ANYWAY, Who cares? he did awesome stuff for us, 20 years ago though. Well, around 20. It'd be ideal to move forward.

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10-07-2013, 06:00 PM
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I don't think, I know
But let's keep it to hockey, didn't really want to start a whole thread about it, let's move on
I know a lot of people my age, and older, who act like entitled kids. Something I've learned from posting on these boards is, sometimes the 'kids' are often times more mature than the 'adults'. Respect should go both ways.

I don't feel like an 18 year old kids opinion is less meaningful than mine, despite me being a fan of the game for decades and decades.

Messier has a large gathering of imbeciles. Foolish people who think he's literally, some sort of savior who will lead us to the promise land, over and over again. As amazing as his career was here, he didn't prove he was ready for a HC position because he didn't work his way up the same food chain other hockey player turned coaches have.

We shouldn't have to hand him the keys to our organization on faith alone. Despite what he helped our team accomplish in '94.

He wanted the HC position. He didn't get it. He's moved on to do something else. There's no drama. **** happens. It doesn't mean Messier can **** off. It doesn't mean the franchise shafted him either.

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It's always one extreme or another.

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10-07-2013, 06:27 PM
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Started following the Rangers during the 71-72 season. So the '94 Stanley Cup ended a whole ******** of disappointments for me. I can only imagine what all the Rangers fans who began following them decades before me might have felt at finally seeing their team win. It was a magical year for Rangers fans. The 11-12 team kind of approached it but that team as another poster in another thread said scraped and clawed their way to success. The '94 team dominated the league throughout the regular season and the first two rounds of the playoffs. The 3rd round vs. New Jersey and the finals vs. the Canucks they came back to earth but they did find a way to win.

Messier and Leetch were the best players but that team was deep in talent and it was (for those who hate to hear it) ****ing tough--the toughest team that the Rangers ever iced in all my years of following them. Messier was the guy who glued the team together almost from the day he became a Ranger. He was the 'leader' on and off the ice. No question. In the good times before he went to Vancouver and the bad times--including those years after he came back from Vancouver.

We would not have won that Cup IMO without him.

That being said he is IMO a flawed--sometimes selfish--sometimes egomaniacal individual. Messier knew how to win as a player. He was a take charge guy but being an on ice leader--even an elite one does not make him coaching material. Coaching makes people coaching material. If he doesn't get that--that's too ****ing bad. If it hurts his feelings so much that he goes away--well he goes away--good luck and see you later.

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10-07-2013, 07:10 PM
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I know a lot of people my age, and older, who act like entitled kids. Something I've learned from posting on these boards is, sometimes the 'kids' are often times more mature than the 'adults'. Respect should go both ways.

I don't feel like an 18 year old kids opinion is less meaningful than mine, despite me being a fan of the game for decades and decades.

Messier has a large gathering of imbeciles. Foolish people who think he's literally, some sort of savior who will lead us to the promise land, over and over again. As amazing as his career was here, he didn't prove he was ready for a HC position because he didn't work his way up the same food chain other hockey player turned coaches have.

We shouldn't have to hand him the keys to our organization on faith alone. Despite what he helped our team accomplish in '94.

He wanted the HC position. He didn't get it. He's moved on to do something else. There's no drama. **** happens. It doesn't mean Messier can **** off. It doesn't mean the franchise shafted him either.

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It's always one extreme or another.
Thank you for posting this. Hrudey is being extremely short-sighted and quite frankly, disrespectful.

Older generations have ALWAYS thought younger generations are worse then they were. Because you know what, younger people know less then older people. That's a fact. You can't buy experience.

And i find it extremely ironic that someone complains about a generation feeling entitled, yet he finds a way to single handedly condescend every person in a generation, due to his own "success." Talk about feeling "entitled."

Like every generation, there are people that are hard workers and people that are lazy slugs and feel they are entitled.

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10-07-2013, 07:20 PM
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Regarding hockey knowledge, anyone can have more than anyone... depends on how hard and much you follow the game... I'm 19 and worship this team, and would die for this game... some of us youngins are smart.

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[I] worship this team, and would die for this game... some of us youngins are smart.
I feel like these things are mutually exclusive.

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Lets steer this back on topic please.

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10. A bit more on Mark Messier: he will be re-joining the Oilers' organization as some kind of consultant. He is not moving back to Edmonton and will, from what I understand, remain involved with the Kingsbridge Ice Center in New York.
From: http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hoc...spotlight.html

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So essentially he has the same job over there that he had here.

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Messier wanted a head coaching gig. He hasnt found one yet but likely will.

Sather had every right to give AV the job to him.

So Messier went on with his life to help grow hockey in NY.

But I see now he got good pay to go CONSULT Edmonton a few matters like scouting. Its really no big deal guys.

Is it likely that Edm coach gets fired and Mess takes over... maybe. Is it likely that AV gets fired in 2 years or less and Messier comes in. Hmmm maybe lol

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I can sympathize with the OP.

A lot of you may be sick of Messier because MSG Network force feeds us 1994 but he is still the preeminent New York Ranger of the modern era, and is now associating with different franchise. I have no idea if Messier is qualified; it would have been cool to give him a shot. I think he earned it in the sense that he's been a warrior and a good ambassador for the organization for so long. After his interview on NHL Network about leaving the organization, I believed Messier interviewed for the Rangers head coaching position for sincere and selfless reasons, and that he genuinely felt unappreciated when they brought someone outside the family to take the reigns.
Crease. With all due respect, when you are looking at your Star goaltender in his last year who may or may not leave via FA... you have to do what is best for the team and not necessarily cool. I would have like to see Messier behind the bench as well. Yet at the same time you don't want to create a potential disaster situation the year Lundqvist leaves for UFA.

Don't think for a second that Lundqvist didn't have a say in AV's hiring. Also, IIRC, didn't Messier not get the job because he wanted to bring in his own staff and the Rangers wanted to surround him with a more experienced crew? (Can't remember where I read that).

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This is a pragmatic move by Messier. The Oilers are absolutely stacked up front - when those younger guys mature, watch out.

They have a rookie coach behind the bench, and a team thats still extremely green. What better scenario for Messier than to step in as head coach when that franchise is ready to take off?

Eakins must already hear the footsteps of the good ol' boys network ready to trample him.

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Messier was in the mix for the Oilers head coaching job in 2012 after Renney was fired. Does Messier want to live in Canada? Eakins was hired before Vigneault. Maybe the Oilers felt Slats was hiring Messier which is why they went with Eakins who has a connection to the Oiler guy through Soupy Campbell. Soupy and Eakins are Roger Neilson guys. Eakins played for the Rangers when Soupy was coach. MacT was later Soupy's assistant with the Rangers. Soupy played for the Oilers and coached those guys in New York. Many people felt Sather was hiring Messier. If Messier wanted the job,it was his. Did ownership want Messier? Sather is 70. How many more years will Sather run the Rangers?

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gee, I'm glad your standards are so high. Ladies and Gentlemen, the new GM of the New York Rangers, Mike Milbury! seriously, watch what you say.

Sad to see Mark go but serious entitlement issues in his post-NHL career. It's been like 10 years now since he retired and assistant to Sather and like 4 games coached at a Spengler Cup or something like that is the entirety of his resume I can muster up. He needs to take his career seriously if he wants employers to take him seriously. That said, I wonder if the Rangers ever offered him an actual position like scout or assistant GM.
I couldn't agree more! Good riddance to him.

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Smart move for him.

Sucks we lost him but he saw his window to be head coach closing and made his move. Happy he is with a young team that can gain a lot from his presence.

Sather made the the right choice going with AV. If Mess really wants to be a coach and not have to work his way up he made the right move going to a team just coming out of a rebuild or at the tail end of their rebuild depending how you want to look at it.

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Coach Messier would have avenged Stuarts elbow on Nash. This team needs to grow a pair quick.

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Coach Messier would have avenged Stuarts elbow on Nash. This team needs to grow a pair quick.
Was he going to do it himself? Who on this team is going to do that?

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