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10-06-2013, 09:25 PM
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Uh, no he didn't, did you not watch him? A ton of his criticism was based on him being bad on breakaways, which are almost by definition always a great scoring chance. Most of the goals he gave up were on tips, odd man rushes, and shots in or around the slot.
Holy ****, I think I have actually heard it all at this point.

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10-06-2013, 09:27 PM
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Too early to say if their performance will be comparable, but I agree about the salary. Obviously I'd take the lower price tag if the end result is the same. Bryz didn't give up many weak goals either, he just didn't make enough big saves.
Tell me you're being sarcastic. I really hope you're being sarcastic.

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10-06-2013, 09:32 PM
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i think you are overreacting.

lavi needs to go, it was a mistake to keep him this year. our forwards play so little defense.

our cup run was expensive (organization depth wise), and we have been paying for it. the last 2 years have been decent with the moves homer has made. say what you want about dealing bob, but we got a good haul for him.
If you are happy with mediocrity ..go for it.

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10-06-2013, 09:34 PM
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Literally, please just stop. Posts like this are so ridiculous


Which part? There is a thread in the business of hockey forum with a quote from a NHL exec that they want to add 1.5 goals per game to the sport.

As far as projecting out JvR, he's following a very traditional power forward type path. Almost identical numbers to Leclair through the same number of games.

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10-06-2013, 09:42 PM
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Which part? There is a thread in the business of hockey forum with a quote from a NHL exec that they want to add 1.5 goals per game to the sport.

As far as projecting out JvR, he's following a very traditional power forward type path. Almost identical numbers to Leclair through the same number of games.
So Schenn will be a 50 goal winger too?

As he put up the exactly the same PPG last year aged 21-22 (in his first season at wing, 2nd in NHL) as JVR did in 11-12 aged 22-23. (in his 3rd full NHL season)

They also had almost identical TOI in those years. Though JVR had more PP time than Schenn in the equivalent years.

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10-06-2013, 09:46 PM
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So Schenn will be a 50 goal winger too?

As he put up the exactly the same PPG last year aged 21-22 (in his first season at wing, 2nd in NHL) as JVR did in 11-12 aged 22-23. (in his 3rd full NHL season)

They also had almost identical TOI in those years. Though JVR had more PP time than Schenn in the equivalent years.
It doesn't count because it doesn't fit the negative narrative.

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10-06-2013, 09:51 PM
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It doesn't count because it doesn't fit the negative narrative.
I also forgot to add that Schenn, even though smaller, plays more like a power forward than JVR has! Well... apart from those 2 games vs Buffalo that time. The boy JVR hates taking the body... and I think he is a great player.

The other thing they do have in common though, as with many good young players, is that they both disappeared for parts of games and are inconsistent, it is to be expected as players grow.

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10-06-2013, 10:07 PM
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JVR will be a perennial 35-40 goal scorer, and if the NHL achieves their goal of get the GPG average up to 6.5-7, he could be a 50 goal scorer.
Is this reality?

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I also forgot to add that Schenn, even though smaller, plays more like a power forward than JVR has! Well... apart from those 2 games vs Buffalo that time. The boy JVR hates taking the body... and I think he is a great player.

The other thing they do have in common though, as with many good young players, is that they both disappeared for parts of games and are inconsistent, it is to be expected as players grow.
Personally I'm not worried about Brayden. I think he'll be fine when all things are said & done. He's still transitioning from center to winger.

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10-06-2013, 10:57 PM
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If you are happy with mediocrity ..go for it.
i dont think anyone (homer included) is happy with mediocrity.

the fallacy is that people believe there is a "right way" to win it. there isnt. the only seemingly sure fire way to win is to blow so bad years you get multiple top 3 picks and draft hofers....just that easy. not working for the oil yet so far though.

i do wish we had been more patient with bob, even in the POs his rookie yr, but let's not act like he would win the vezina behind this squad.

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10-06-2013, 11:04 PM
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To bring this back to our current goalies, if the script from the first 2 games replays itself, people will eventually stop saying that they're doing fine. That was my original point.
of course they will. because hollow goalie stats say so.

always the goalies fault.

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10-07-2013, 12:41 PM
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Holmgren's "Gut decision" to fire Lavi

Obviously..because if he had used his brain he would have fired this guy in the offseason when it made absolute sense...

http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-phil...sion-fire-lavy

My brain is suggesting Holmgren should step down or get fired

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10-07-2013, 12:50 PM
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Obviously..because if he had used his brain he would have fired this guy in the offseason when it made absolute sense...

http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-phil...sion-fire-lavy

My brain is suggesting Holmgren should step down or get fired
Holmgren will never get fired. Just like Bobby Clarke.

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10-07-2013, 12:54 PM
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I have to agree. Not firing Laviolette in the summer was a firable offense.

Homer was way too loyal.

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Obviously..because if he had used his brain he would have fired this guy in the offseason when it made absolute sense...

http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-phil...sion-fire-lavy

My brain is suggesting Holmgren should step down or get fired
so you can't see any logic in letting him have a training camp and preseason to see if things improved?

I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's not like its a half cocked move.

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10-07-2013, 01:06 PM
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Homer should make this his theme song:



Seriously, it's gonna take the damn apocalypse to get Homer fired.

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so you can't see any logic in letting him have a training camp and preseason to see if things improved?

I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's not like its a half cocked move.
No logic whatsoever....none and the people that said it would be a mistake have been proven correct. Again lack of foresight......not a good GM trait.

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10-07-2013, 02:18 PM
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No logic whatsoever....none and the people that said it would be a mistake have been proven correct. Again lack of foresight......not a good GM trait.
I think the logic could be that the roster last year was full of holes, especially if you count the injuries we had on defense, and even though we didn't make the playoffs, we didn't really underachieve.

That's what I believe, and it makes me wonder if 3 games isn't enough time to evaluate whether he should have been fired. Then again, Holmgren has been watching the team throughout training camp and if they've looked out of sorts all that time, and most of the time during the regular season, it's probably justifiable. This roster is better than last years', so we shouldn't be having all the same problems we did a year ago.

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10-07-2013, 02:25 PM
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I think the logic could be that the roster last year was full of holes, especially if you count the injuries we had on defense, and even though we didn't make the playoffs, we didn't really underachieve.

That's what I believe, and it makes me wonder if 3 games isn't enough time to evaluate whether he should have been fired. Then again, Holmgren has been watching the team throughout training camp and if they've looked out of sorts all that time, and most of the time during the regular season, it's probably justifiable. This roster is better than last years', so we shouldn't be having all the same problems we did a year ago.
Ottawa could have said the same thing and they played a pretty disciplined game despite all their injuries.

The Flyers all last year besides that anomaly in the last 6 games or whatever played terribly undisciplined and uninspired hockey. They couldn't do the basics . The coach couldn't prepare them properly. He was glaringly part of the problem especially since they couldn't beat tight checking, fast forechecking and disciplined teams all year...albeit shortened year.

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One thing about Holmgren is that after the fact he tends to be fairly plainspoken....

This question was valid as he himself admitted....not an admission on his part nor did he answer the question directly but he realizes he bears responsibility..hence why I think he gave Lavi some extra rope.

Now it's on the players....but it could come full circle back to Holmgren....


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PH: "Well, it's a fair question. First of all, I believe in our players. I said earlier that I'm not going to let them off the hook. At the end of the day, they didn't do their job, either. But I still believe in our players. We have good players. We just weren't playing very well. We need to play better."

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I suspect/speculate that Homer got players not fit for Lavi's preferred system because Homer had faith in Lavi to coach for the players he has; it ended up being an overestimation.

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I suspect/speculate that Homer got players not fit for Lavi's preferred system because Homer had faith in Lavi to coach for the players he has; it ended up being an overestimation.
Once him and Snider came out in the press saying Lavi needed to tighten things up to protect the goaltender better and then assembled a D corps that was more stay at home and didn't replace Carle properly..it really hampered what Lavi wanted to do. Then the injuries came and Paddock was hired and they simplified things for a bit with the extra wrinkle of D ( the end of season anomaly). Then Holmgren went out and got some pieces like Streit and I guess Lavi was like ok .....going to go back to my attack system....didn't pan out because other teams had it figured all out but the players didn't seem like they were motivated to execute it either.

Let's see what Berube can do along with Paddock and Lappy. Flyers seem to think they can replicate what occurred towards the end with the streak since Paddock and Berube were the implementors....if it doesn't pan out and they miss the playoffs I suspect Holmgren will step down..I don't think he will be fired outright even if he should be. Lots riding on the players and coach to salvage Holmgren's job....

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10-08-2013, 01:10 AM
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homer will be fired. hexie did not take this job to be another ass. gm. the team is a joke. but old ed has morphed into al davis. Berube.....the jokes go on on on

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If the team continues to struggle, Hextall takes the reins, simple as that. IT won't be much longer guys, Hexy came her for a reason, he knows he takes control within the next two years. I think even if the team remains successful, Hexy still takes over. I don't think Homer wants to do this much longer, one of those gut instincts.

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Jeff Carter deal was a mistake too... You can't trade a 40 goals scorer like that...

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