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10-08-2013, 07:51 PM
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Doubt Hartnell will waive to go there.
He was rumored before to be close to being traded there, I think he even said he would at one point. I believe that was a few years ago.

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10-08-2013, 07:54 PM
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If the Flyers continue to struggle and get a new GM who can institute a plan for longer than a year, I say they aim for Ekblad in 2014 and McDavid for 2015. Could have a lot of great prospects by trading Hartnell, Coburn, and Kimmo along with a few top picks. Who knows if that would work out though.
with our roster i cannot see them falling to the cellar of the nhl. i would kill someone for those two but idk if it's worth being a laughing stock for that long.

plus, tanking to get generational talents is a very pittsburgh thing to do.

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with our roster i cannot see them falling to the cellar of the nhl. i would kill someone for those two but idk if it's worth being a laughing stock for that long.

plus, tanking to get generational talents is a very pittsburgh thing to do.
I never said to tank. God no, I never want the Flyers to tank. I meant if they continue to struggle this year they could conceivably get Ekblad with their own pick. The picks and prospects they get by trading Coburn, Hartnell, and Kimmo (like Coburn for a 2015 1st rounder + a prospect; long term planning) along with what the Flyers have before the trades could help get the ammo needed to get McDavid.

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10-08-2013, 08:30 PM
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I never said to tank. God no, I never want the Flyers to tank. I meant if they continue to struggle this year they could conceivably get Ekblad with their own pick. The picks and prospects they get by trading Coburn, Hartnell, and Kimmo (like Coburn for a 2015 1st rounder + a prospect; long term planning) along with what the Flyers have before the trades could help get the ammo needed to get McDavid.
whoever has the 1st overall pick in 2015 is not going to give up the chance to get mcdavid imo.

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10-08-2013, 10:24 PM
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If Flyers continue to lose my trade proposal would be

Kings get:
Wayne Simmons
Brayden Schenn
Niklas Grossman
Jake Voracek
Sean Couturier
Nick Cousins

Flyers get:
Mike Richards
Jeff Carter

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10-08-2013, 10:28 PM
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Almost certainly.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...decision_.html

As for Couturier, Appleyard has a few posts that show he actually did pretty damned well compared to all other players in a similar role. Couturier has not been put in a position to succeed; he has been put in a very difficult role.
He is succeeding in a role that was prevalent in times long past, but isn't as common in the new NHL.

The funny thing is, fans just a couple years ago were begging for a third line shutdown centre and, now that he's here, all we do is complain about his lack of offensive production.

Couturier doesn't need to put up 50 points if he continues to fulfill the shutdown role. His lack of production won't be noticeable off of the gamesheet if the top 6 produce to their own offensive capabilities.

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10-08-2013, 10:44 PM
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He is succeeding in a role that was prevalent in times long past, but isn't as common in the new NHL.

The funny thing is, fans just a couple years ago were begging for a third line shutdown centre and, now that he's here, all we do is complain about his lack of offensive production.

Couturier doesn't need to put up 50 points if he continues to fulfill the shutdown role. His lack of production won't be noticeable off of the gamesheet if the top 6 produce to their own offensive capabilities.
But he's an 8th overall draft pick. He's got to eventually be more than a 3rd line defensive center.

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10-08-2013, 10:47 PM
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But he's an 8th overall draft pick. He's got to eventually be more than a 3rd line defensive center.
Eh, by the 8th pick you're starting to get into 50/50 players who often aren't all superstars. It's not like he was top three. What makes him truly interesting potential wise is that he was ranked as a top three pick for a long time before falling to 8th; so there's potential for a steal there.

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But he's an 8th overall draft pick. He's got to eventually be more than a 3rd line defensive center.
There are barely more than a couple guys in each draft that are sure things. If you can get a 10-year career player or better in the first round after the top 3, in practically any role, you did a good job.

Go back and look at the top 10 players drafted over the last 20 years. Not a whole lot of franchise players in the group of 140 (after the top 3 in each draft), but a lot of serviceable NHLers.

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I guess maybe I have too high of expectations for him. I always thought (and still hold out hope) he will be our Patrice Bergeron. But if he turns out more like Martin Hanzal, I won't be mad.

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10-08-2013, 11:18 PM
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I guess maybe I have too high of expectations for him. I always thought (and still hold out hope) he will be our Patrice Bergeron. But if he turns out more like Martin Hanzal, I won't be mad.
Ironically, even before we drafted Couturier, I sew him becoming sort of what Lecavalier is now.

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10-08-2013, 11:26 PM
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If Flyers continue to lose my trade proposal would be

Kings get:
Wayne Simmons
Brayden Schenn
Niklas Grossman
Jake Voracek
Sean Couturier
Nick Cousins

Flyers get:
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If this season becomes lost before the deadline, I'm totally ok with moving:

Timonen
Hartnell
Talbot
Coburn
Grossmann

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10-09-2013, 12:45 AM
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Cheer up guys. It could be worse. You could be the Buffalo Sabres- I.e., a team with 3-4 NHL caliber players.

Any interest in Myers? If he's ever going to become the player he was destined to be in his Calder year, it's not going to happen unless he's given a fresh start.

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10-09-2013, 08:28 AM
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Eh, by the 8th pick you're starting to get into 50/50 players who often aren't all superstars. It's not like he was top three. What makes him truly interesting potential wise is that he was ranked as a top three pick for a long time before falling to 8th; so there's potential for a steal there.
The difference with Couturier is that he was, at one point, the #1 ranked prospect in the world. If memory serves me correctly, he got sick with mono or something and his stock dropped.

Many people thought he was an absolute STEAL where we got him. Right now though, he looks like a Jordan Staal type. Maybe 50 points max in his career, plays good defense, wins draws, and a big body.

That being said, a player is still a player. He is still an asset to the team. If we are talking value wise being the 8th overall, he certainly has not lived up to that yet.

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The difference with Couturier is that he was, at one point, the #1 ranked prospect in the world. If memory serves me correctly, he got sick with mono or something and his stock dropped.

Many people thought he was an absolute STEAL where we got him. Right now though, he looks like a Jordan Staal type. Maybe 50 points max in his career, plays good defense, wins draws, and a big body.

That being said, a player is still a player. He is still an asset to the team. If we are talking value wise being the 8th overall, he certainly has not lived up to that yet.
The talk was that his stock dropped because of mono, it looks like his stock dropped because of talent.

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10-09-2013, 08:51 AM
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If this season becomes lost before the deadline, I'm totally ok with moving:

Timonen
Hartnell
Talbot
Coburn
Grossmann
I agree...this is my list as well. Just add Mez to it.

But I would welcome a total shake-up to the line-up

Read G Vinny
Hartnell Schenn Voracek
McGinn Couts Simmonds
Rinaldo Hall Talbot

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The Flyers play four more games then get a week off before facing the Rangers. In that time the Phantoms will play five games. Whichever forward plays the best in Adirondack needs to be called up for the game against New York and given a chance in the top 9. In the meantime Newbury should definitely be playing ahead of Rosehill.

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I guess maybe I have too high of expectations for him. I always thought (and still hold out hope) he will be our Patrice Bergeron. But if he turns out more like Martin Hanzal, I won't be mad.
Granted there were alot of concussion issues along the way...but Bergeron became full Bergeron around age 25 or so.

Couturier is a special one, hold tight.

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I think the Flyers forum needs a banner that says "COUTURIER IS STILL 20," so people stop acting like he's 25.

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Trading Couturier at this point would be the dumbest move they could make, obviously unless they get someone who is around the same age and better back. Even if he tops out at what he is now, he's young, won't be expensive, and is a pretty damn good checking center

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Trading Couturier at this point would be the dumbest move they could make, obviously unless they get someone who is around the same age and better back. Even if he tops out at what he is now, he's young, won't be expensive, and is a pretty damn good checking center
yeah...after signing that cheap extension...I would not be looking to move Couts. It's like he is on an entry contract that just started this year.

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Moving Couturier means we'd just have a new hole to fill. I'm generally not a fan of digging a new hole to fill an old one.

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Yeah let's give up on a 20 year old...we're good at that type of thing

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Yeah let's give up on a 20 year old...we're good at that type of thing
There's still a really good chance JVR finds consistency and lives up to expectations. If that happens and Couturier is traded elsewhere and later thrives....combined with the Sharp trade...we will have become the farm team for the NHL.

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