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10-09-2013, 01:52 AM
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Thank god we didn't re-sign him before the season. I bet old Hank suddenly wants a nice big and long contract after his stinkers

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10-09-2013, 03:55 AM
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Wait people are blaming the first three goals of the SJ game on him? You can't be serious people... Go play some hockey. I was watching the SJ feed and even their announcers were saying that they couldn't blame Hank for the goals he let in.

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10-09-2013, 06:30 AM
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Wait people are blaming the first three goals of the SJ game on him? You can't be serious people... Go play some hockey. I was watching the SJ feed and even their announcers were saying that they couldn't blame Hank for the goals he let in.
did they pull the goalie and everyone missed it? Everyone wants to talk about how hes bla bla bla greatest goalie of all time and how he deserves to be the highest paid player ever yet no one ever expects him to make a save. Everything is excused.

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10-09-2013, 06:47 AM
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link? quote?

yeah thought so.
I hope he does leave. Because he's been masking the real problem and that's the Teflon GM and his 13 year plan. If Henrik leaves this team is a lottery team, and maybe finally Dolan wakes up and fires that piece of ****

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10-09-2013, 06:49 AM
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The team in front of him is not providing the same level of defensive support. Hopefully that will improve as the D gets better at their reads under AV's system.

But a hearty LOL to anyone who, again, thought Torts was an issue with Henrik's play. How many posts did I read over the summer that more or less said "the only shots that beat him are deflections...Torts is an idiot, shot blocking is stupid." The reason why deflections seemed to be the only shots that beat Henrik was because, many games, they were all the Rangers really gave up. Or at least other high percentage chances were severely minimized relative to other teams.

Like you wanna talk transition game, fine I get it, but the system inside the dzone last year really helped team D and Henrik's numbers. An adjustment period coming this season was obvious from a mile away, which I posted about in May. They can get it together but it will take time.

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10-09-2013, 06:53 AM
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I'd say something about the team in front of him adjusting to a new system, and then something else about sample size, but what's the point? ****ING PANIC! LUNDPADS IS DONE!!!

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10-09-2013, 06:57 AM
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Last year people complained that he was giving up deflections because we block so many shots. Now we don't block shots, and he looks even worse on deflections. Maybe it's time to start realizing the problem may be with the goalie

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10-09-2013, 06:58 AM
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I don't see him posting those nifty 2011-12 numbers again, but he's nowhere near as average as he's shown so far. He's still an elite goalie. October is a double quirky month...new system and new pads to get used to. He'll bounce back. The whole team will...it's just going to take some time.

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Last year people complained that he was giving up deflections because we block so many shots. Now we don't block shots, and he looks even worse on deflections. Maybe it's time to start realizing the problem may be with the goalie
Or maybe the problem is that deflections are ****ing difficult to stop/often stopped by nothing more than luck, and it's not really a "problem" to be blamed on anyone or anything?

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Or maybe the problem is that deflections are ****ing difficult to stop/often stopped by nothing more than luck, and it's not really a "problem" to be blamed on anyone or anything?
Goalies are not helpless to deflections across the league so there must be stuff to work on team wide. I wonder if they need to improve on when to come out a bit and cut off angles to prevent deflections. Defenseman could also do a much better job tying up and clearing out players. Forwards can do a better job of preventing players from taking a wide open shot. That Boyle goal where he turned and shot was retardedly perfect. But if Hank is out a little more it doesn't go high enough to beat him or if the Sharks player was pushed slightly further out of the way it doesn't get deflected

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10-09-2013, 08:00 AM
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Or maybe the problem is that deflections are ****ing difficult to stop/often stopped by nothing more than luck, and it's not really a "problem" to be blamed on anyone or anything?
Get out of here with that logical explanation. The **** is wrong with you?

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Get out of here with that logical explanation. The **** is wrong with you?
It's the smaller pads. RIP Lundpads.

But seriously, he has always had slow starts. Let him work into a groove.

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10-09-2013, 08:04 AM
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Notoriously slow starter and it won't be incredible if he takes a little extra to adjust to the slight change in pads and having a different looking defense in front of him. Worried? When I say Lundqvist is the least of my worries, I mean it quite literally. I'm more worried about the thread count on AV's pillow cases than I am about Henrik Lundqvist. He will come around/adjust and this thread, and all of the comments berating him, will look silly not too far from now.
Thank you.

I truly am curious as to whether these "fans" actually watched Lundqvist over his career or just followed his stats.

Every single year we hear this at the beginning. He always starts slow and we always here blah blah blah he sucks.

Then by mid-season it's.....vezina worthy? Great season? carrying us?

Least of my worries as well. Talk about fair weather.

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10-09-2013, 08:11 AM
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Look at Lundqvists career splits. October is his worst month.

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10-09-2013, 08:32 AM
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LOL Lundpads. Made me giggle.

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10-09-2013, 08:37 AM
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Seriously this place is a ****show after loses. Hank is the least of our worries.

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10-09-2013, 08:44 AM
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You really can't even speculate until 20-25 games in, that's always been the case with this sport. However, I'm placing heavy emphasis on the fact that having a good start to the season is essential... Individuals can't think that, "Oh, well- we have another 79 games to be played," because before you know it, we'll be the worst team in the league.

For the regular season, Hank played real well the second game, that's it. The last four pre season games in the Western Conference, he's been quite mediocre, almost feel like saying he was bad. He's got a different D mentality in front of him, so that can contribute to the GA, understood. But there have been two regular season games that have tallied to like 14 GA. Hank has to step up. Oh, and I'm a die hard Ranger fan, what Brodeur said about Hank and his pads is 100% true.

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This thread title, and thread itself is just one big bunch of ridiculousness. Please lock it.

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The defense has been garbage. There's a huge lack of coverage. Lundqvist hasn't been good at all, but the defense isn't good to counter.

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10-09-2013, 08:59 AM
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Aren't AV's teams typically slow in October, anyway?

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Not saying anything, but when AV switched from a defensive to a more offensive approach on his last team, another surefire HOF goalie got their career detracted. Expect a lot of these types of games, blowout where the coach and the team give up.

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Or maybe the problem is that deflections are ****ing difficult to stop/often stopped by nothing more than luck, and it's not really a "problem" to be blamed on anyone or anything?
System is no longer coalescing with Hank's play.

I went on a rant on this somewhere, but Hank plays very deep in his crease, which is a necessary factor for his trademark high percentage saves below the hashmarks.

The downfall of this is that shots from outside (including deflections) are more likely to get through him.

Even with deflected pucks, stepping out to the top of the crease when the puck is on the blueline takes a higher percentage of the net away, making the puck less likely to go in.

Under a strong defensive system, forwards take away more of those low percentage outside shots by blocking them.

Defensemen take away the cycle by forcing the puck either into the corner, behind the net or on to their own tape (we currently lack any defensemen that do the latter) preventing many of the shots from being taken in the first place.

Of course, defensemen can also absorb those shots.

This sort of system is extremely beneficial to support a deep, conservative goalie like Hank.

When the defensive zone play takes away outside shots on principle, it inflates a goalie's numbers if he's elite down low.

Of course, a defensive system can also clear the crease down low, and collapse to block those shots, but it requires the right personnel and surgical implementation.

But that's how you stop the deflections going in. Either your goalie plays further out of the crease, or you build your team around absorbing those shots.

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He hasn't looked good, but he's started slow in October before, so I'm not worried... yet.

Lundpads, lol. Good one.

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1. Henrik Lundqvist was not to blame for either loss this season.

2. He should NOT be traded. Period. Whether he re-signs with the Rangers or not.

3. I agree that he just does not look comfortable....does not look like Hank, in fact...in the first three games.

4. I don't know if it's the pads, thinking about a new contract, normal start of the season issues he needs to work out, something off-ice, the new coaching staff, something physical, or any combination of those or perhaps other things nobody is privy too...but he does not look like himself. He's been fighting the puck virtually every time it's come near him.

5. I'm not saying its the pads, but you also can't say 'he didn't let in any five-hole goals, so it cannot be the pads'. If it is the pads, it seems like they could be just making him uncomfortable enough to throw off his game.

6. I even thought his demeanor was strange sitting there on the bench after he was pulled. I've seen him pulled from many games, and this time his blank stare while he was sitting there was bizarre. Never saw that before.

7. If I were a betting girl I'd say he'll rebound quickly and completely become the Hank we know and love again.

8. If he doesn't, we're in trouble...I have no faith in Biron.

9. I've said this before...Hank would make the Stupidlanders strong Stanley Cup contenders, and put Pittsburgh over the top.

10. Hopefully he signs here long- (but not too long-) term, and we get to watch him for years to come.

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Aren't AV's teams typically slow in October, anyway?
Yup, no need to panic. Under AV, Luongo has had one October (his first season) with a SV% above .906 or GAA under 2.79 (multiple Octobers with sub-.900 and above 3.00). In fact, Luongo recently made a joke about it.

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@strombone1: Happy October everyone!!! Or as I like to call it: How did that go in?
The team is still adjusting to AV's system - its a complicated one to learn, especially for the dmen (Hamhuis and Garrison struggled at first and Ballard never adjusted). It'll be a learning process so no need to worry just yet.

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