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With hindsight, would PK Subban be drafted top3 for the 2007 draft ?

View Poll Results: If the 2007 draft happened again with today's hindsight, would SUbban be drafted top3
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10-09-2013, 09:17 AM
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If we look at it as if the teams knew at the time how things would work out up until now, the Chicago obviously takes Kane number one, and then I think Philly is pretty much guaranteed to take one of Subban or McDonagh, which is a bit of a tough call, but they probably go Subban.

If they take McDonagh though, then Phoenix probably takes Couture to get their number one center. LA would have a tough choice then. Subban is the best player left, but with Doughty and Voynov already, they might want to take a scoring winger in Benn or Pacioretty, or possibly even JVR or Voracek. If they did that, then Washington should take him at five. However, if GMGM's been hitting the sauce he might think that Alzner's defensive game is needed over Subban (despite his still great defense) on a team that already boasts a great PP and Mike Green. In that case, Edmonton would take him without thinking twice (hopefully).

So, realistically I think he probably goes number 2, but if not, most likely 4-5.
BPA. He goes 2nd.

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Kane
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Dude, you're a Rangers fan and you don't know how to spell McDonagh?

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Kane
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BPA. He goes 2nd.
BPA is the best strategy for an actual draft. In a re-draft, I'm not sure that's the case unless the difference is massive. I think he likely would, but I do think there's a case for McDonagh at 2, and if so Phoenix would definitely take Couture at 3.

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I'd have him 2nd overall, behind Kane and in front of Benn, Couture, and McDonagh.

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Yes he'd most likely be 2nd after Kane

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Would love to see the Habs list for the 2007 draft.

Drafted McDonagh, Subban, Pacioretty and specified Eller from the Blues in 2010 when they asked for a return (suggesting the interest was there for a while).


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Said no. Would take all of Kane, Couture and Benn before Subban.

Would be between him and McDonagh for 4th. I'd likely take Subban there.
Starting a team from scratch, I'd take the proven shutdown defensemen right up there with the superstar winger. Couture and Benn are good, great even, but don't drive the bus like Subban and McD.

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Would love to see the Habs list for the 2007 draft.

Drafted McDonagh, Subban, Pacioretty and specially Eller from the Blues in 2010 when they asked for a return (suggesting the interest was there for a while).
Man, I forgot Subban and McD were the same draft by the same team and now can't wrap my head around how dominant that pairing could've been.

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Man, I forgot Subban and McD were the same draft by the same team and now can't wrap my head around how dominant that pairing could've been.
Then think about what McDonagh was traded away for. After thinking about that, take a hot iron and apply it directly to your forhead while you jam a pencil in your leg. Congratulations, you now know the pain of Habs fans.

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Kane definitely goes first. I could see McDonagh, Couture, or perhaps Benn or Pacioretty going ahead of Subban, but I personally think Subban would go #2 if this draft were redone with the benefit of hindsight.

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Man, I forgot Subban and McD were the same draft by the same team and now can't wrap my head around how dominant that pairing could've been.
dang.. that would have been an amazing pairing

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BPA is the best strategy for an actual draft. In a re-draft, I'm not sure that's the case unless the difference is massive. I think he likely would, but I do think there's a case for McDonagh at 2, and if so Phoenix would definitely take Couture at 3.
There's no way Mcdonagh goes before Subban... I love MC but come on now.

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Man, I forgot Subban and McD were the same draft by the same team and now can't wrap my head around how dominant that pairing could've been.
STOP. We are trying to forget...

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Man, I forgot Subban and McD were the same draft by the same team and now can't wrap my head around how dominant that pairing could've been.
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dang.. that would have been an amazing pairing
I know you guys do it on purpose

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Then think about what McDonagh was traded away for. After thinking about that, take a hot iron and apply it directly to your forhead while you jam a pencil in your leg. Congratulations, you now know the pain of Habs fans.
It's chill, Terry Pegula started pumping money into the Sabres only after all the reasons they were ever good left or ceased to exist.

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Yes.

PS, still sad we traded McDonagh, FFS. McDonagh-Subban would have been amazing.

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I feel like this is a thread just to make Subban fans happy.
The answer is obvious, but I guess it's nice to see some love.

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There's no way Mcdonagh goes before Subban... I love MC but come on now.
Well he is better defensively and will likely have a much lower caphit going forward, but the more I think about it the harder it is to justify. It is Holmgren though, he'd likely have something surprising in store.

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Well he is better defensively and will likely have a much lower caphit going forward, but the more I think about it the harder it is to justify. It is Holmgren though, he'd likely have something surprising in store.
What about Holmgren?

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Well he is better defensively and will likely have a much lower caphit going forward, but the more I think about it the harder it is to justify. It is Holmgren though, he'd likely have something surprising in store.
Well... As you mentioned Plekanec as a much lower cap-hit than Ovechkin, and is actually a lot better defensively, I think I'll make the call !


I don't think Mcdonagh is better defensively, its about the way they play. Subban is explosive, he'll make more good plays than bad plays(At both side of the ice). Anyway, even if we say his defense is that much better, P.K.'s offense is among the best in the league... I really don't see a contest.

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Behind Kane, but ahead of Benn & Gomez.... I mean McDonagh

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Kane
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Couture
This easily. You could swap Benn for Couture if you like, they are pretty similar players with Benn being grittier and Couture being more dynamic. McD is at 5 IMHO.

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Well... As you mentioned Plekanec as a much lower cap-hit than Ovechkin, and is actually a lot better defensively, I think I'll make the call !


I don't think Mcdonagh is better defensively, its about the way they play. Subban is explosive, he'll make more good plays than bad plays(At both side of the ice). Anyway, even if we say his defense is that much better, P.K.'s offense is among the best in the league... I really don't see a contest.
Well McDonagh and Subban are much closer than Plekanec and Ovechkin. McDonagh is actually very good offensively at even strength, and overall their even strength play, while different, is probably at similar levels of value. He's not Subban on the PP obviously, but he also hasn't been given much of a chance. The idea was that Philly might value a player like McDonagh more on a team that generally has a good PP already, and could really use a player like McDonagh on defense. I would still take Subban and I think Philly would still take Subban, but I think they at least mull over McDonagh for awhile.

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What about Holmgren?
The man likes to shake things up. I could see him trying to trade up to draft Kane so he doesn't score against them in the cup finals.

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