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View Poll Results: Colorado Forwards vs Edmonton Forwards ,, Who you got?
Oilers F 69 25.09%
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10-09-2013, 01:20 PM
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75% Avs, nothing to see here folks.
thanks for the bump, I didn't get a chance to see this post

Edmonton...higher end skill

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10-09-2013, 01:20 PM
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If hishon ans sgarbossa develop into top 6 players there shouldn't even be arguments alot of questions should be answered after this season and definitely next even if i wasn't an avs fan i'd go with col. in the POs i see edmonton getting bullied to death and dubnyks not good as his stats appear plain talent alone varly makes him look silly so far out of these three "meaninless" games ive noticed varly more confident and and sharp looking im really looking forward to the avs vs oils this season would be great if we met each other in the opening of the POs just can't see how you could handle them over a 7 game series

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COL because centers.

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10-09-2013, 01:37 PM
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thanks for the bump, I didn't get a chance to see this post

Edmonton...higher end skill
not by much but talent alone is not enough the avs drive in there top 9 even top 12 is always high plus the two way your built to win season games not playoffs our team would fare better so far you got Hall who is ok 2 way RNH i guess still got sometime and hopefully doesn't break down and it effect his development i wish that on no one your guys just don't seem to have that PO toughness just slick offensive players and we all know in the POs tht alone don't get it done

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10-09-2013, 01:46 PM
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Avs AINEC.
Avs have a team. They have forwards that bring different elements to the table. Even among their big guns. The oilers are a great pond hockey team, but zero grit.

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10-09-2013, 01:55 PM
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Oilers have the better top 6 and better offence. But Avs have a better forward group overall. Also, it helps that they're actually matching their lines properly and not saddling Yakupov with third liners like Gordon, Eberle with AHLers like Arcobello, and Hall with one of the worst players in the NHL like Smyth.

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thanks for the bump, I didn't get a chance to see this post

Edmonton...higher end skill
It was already at the top of the pile?

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10-09-2013, 02:14 PM
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Avs AINEC.
Avs have a team. They have forwards that bring different elements to the table. Even among their big guns. The oilers are a great pond hockey team, but zero grit.
...that finished 2nd last last year. What a team

the Oilers finished 3-1 against the Avs last year outscoring them 15-9...those "all-around" players made quite the difference

if I'm staring a team today, I choose the Oilers forwards cause of their potential high-end skill...other than MacKinnon, I don't see the that kind of skill on the Avs

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Switch some of these comparables such as pairing hall with duchene instead and Colorado could arguably come out as the > in each column.

Hall=Duchene
RNH<Mackinnon
Yakupov<Landeskog
Eberle=ROR
Gagner<Statsny
Hemsky<Tanguay
Perron<Parenteau
Except not.

Hall>Duchene
RNH<Mackinnon
Yakupov=Landeskog
Eberle=ROR
Gagner<Statsny
Hemsky>Tanguay
Perron<Parenteau


That is more like it, Hemsky is better than Tanguay by far and i think Yakupov is better than Landeskog but give them an =.

Duchene is excellent but Hall is a step above him IMO.

I still like Colorado though, but its closer than you are making it seem.

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10-09-2013, 02:23 PM
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...that finished 2nd last last year. What a team

the Oilers finished 3-1 against the Avs last year outscoring them 15-9...those "all-around" players made quite the difference

if I'm staring a team today, I choose the Oilers forwards cause of their potential high-end skill...other than MacKinnon, I don't see the that kind of skill on the Avs
Where did the Oilers finish last year? Where did they finish the year before, and the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that? Eberle and Yakupov are one dimensional players. Oilers have more skill, but the Avs have more balance.

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10-09-2013, 02:26 PM
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Except not.

Hall>Duchene
RNH<Mackinnon
Yakupov=Landeskog
Eberle=ROR
Gagner<Statsny
Hemsky>Tanguay
Perron<Parenteau


That is more like it, Hemsky is better than Tanguay by far and i think Yakupov is better than Landeskog but give them an =.

Duchene is excellent but Hall is a step above him IMO.

I still like Colorado though, but its closer than you are making it seem.
I don't understand how Yakupov can be considered equal to Landeskog or what Mackinnon has done to show thats he's superior to RNH.

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I don't understand how Yakupov can be considered equal to Landeskog or what Mackinnon has done to show thats he's superior to RNH.
Me neither Landeskog>Yakupov

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...that finished 2nd last last year. What a team

the Oilers finished 3-1 against the Avs last year outscoring them 15-9...those "all-around" players made quite the difference

if I'm staring a team today, I choose the Oilers forwards cause of their potential high-end skill...other than MacKinnon, I don't see the that kind of skill on the Avs
Thats a myth, which has nothing to do with reality. Or better said, its substituting of being more flashy with being more skilled.

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Me neither Landeskog>Yakupov
because you say so

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I think I have noticed a pattern here.

Edmonton fans all pick Edmonton's forwards.

Everyone else picks the Av's forwards.

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I think I have noticed a pattern here.

Edmonton fans all pick Edmonton's forwards.

Everyone else picks the Av's forwards.
Rightfully so

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10-09-2013, 02:38 PM
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I'm starting to wonder if Oilers fans consider hitting, backchecking, forechecking, blocking shots part of being skilled or if it's all about puckhandling, passing and shooting because this "Oilers forwards are more skilled" makes no sense to me. Several of their most touted players are quite unskilled (or uninterested) at very important aspects of the game.

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Both promising, potentially I take EDM's

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I'm starting to wonder if Oilers fans consider hitting, backchecking, forechecking, blocking shots part of being skilled or if it's all about puckhandling, passing and shooting because this "Oilers forwards are more skilled" makes no sense to me. Several of their most touted players are quite unskilled (or uninterested) at very important aspects of the game.
Good post I think Hall is a great all around player, to a lesser extent, Nuge, too, but Yakupov and Eberle

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Except not.

Hall>Duchene
RNH<Mackinnon
Yakupov=Landeskog
Eberle=ROR
Gagner<Statsny
Hemsky>Tanguay
Perron<Parenteau


That is more like it, Hemsky is better than Tanguay by far and i think Yakupov is better than Landeskog but give them an =.

Duchene is excellent but Hall is a step above him IMO.

I still like Colorado though, but its closer than you are making it seem.
Confused how you think Hemsky is better than Tanguay. He isn't, and it isn't even close. As for your other arguments for hall being compared to duchene and yakupov to landeskog. That opinion could go either way likely based on who's a fan of what team. Hemsky being considered better than Tanguay shouldn't be an argument for anybody.

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Hall = Duchene
RNH = Mack
Yakupov < Landeskog
Eberle =< O'reilly
Hemsky =< tanguay
Perron =< Parenteau
Edmontons others < Colorados others
Overall it's close. I give the edge to Colorado. Can't really say mack is better then RNH now since he's only played 3 NHL games but think he will be better in the future.

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I'm starting to wonder if Oilers fans consider hitting, backchecking, forechecking, blocking shots part of being skilled or if it's all about puckhandling, passing and shooting because this "Oilers forwards are more skilled" makes no sense to me. Several of their most touted players are quite unskilled (or uninterested) at very important aspects of the game.
Nope.

Score goals or gtfo.

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The Edmonton top 9 diagram resembles a square doughnut.

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Colorado literally has 3 potential first lines.

O'Reilly-Duchene-Downie
Landeskog-Stastny-Tanguay
McGinn-MacKinnon-Parenteau

Very balanced, strong offensively and defensively, with physicality, speed and skill.

I'd take the Avs group.
Downie, Tanguay, and McGinn are not what I'd consider "first line material" (yes, I realize one of them is on the Avs' first line). I would say that two first line is an argument that could be made, however.

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colorado easily has all the pieces in place to be contenders in a few years on their forward group. a solid d addition with the development of hopefully seimens into a reliable shut down guy and we are knocking on the door.
Colorado has a great hitter a great playmaker a a great scorer and a great defensive forward on each of their top 3 lines

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