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10-11-2013, 07:42 PM
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Fogarty and Notre Dame are on NBC Sports.

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10-11-2013, 07:57 PM
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Fogarty and Notre Dame are on NBC Sports.
Was coming here to post the same thing. He's wearing Number 26 as an FYI. I came in mid-period, but he doesn't seem to be getting a whole lot of icetime. Then again, it looks like ND is just rolling 4 lines, so I guess that's to be expected.

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10-11-2013, 08:12 PM
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Fogarty was playing point on the first half of ND's PP, but not much happened. A bunch of broken/bad passes and PKer clears. Fogarty hardly got to touch the puck, a bit disappointing.

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Fogarty has a couple clean O-zone draw wins this period that have led to pressure for ND. I'm no hockey analyst, but he still looks very raw to me. He seems to be playing very cautiously, never really opening up his stride and skating with conviction. Maybe he's just playing like a defensive center. I honestly don't know enough about ND's roster to venture a guess. Also, he was playing left point again on the PP as a RH shot. Haven't seen him unleash a shot yet, though.

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10-11-2013, 08:43 PM
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Don't have much confidence that Fogarty is going to develop into anything significant for us to be honest.

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10-11-2013, 08:55 PM
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Don't have much confidence that Fogarty is going to develop into anything significant for us to be honest.
Based on what? How much of him have you actually watched?

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Don't have much confidence that Fogarty is going to develop into anything significant for us to be honest.
Honestly, he looks kind of like what Kreider looks like at the NHL level: trying not to make a mistake instead of trying to make a play. It also doesn't help that they have him playing center, when it seems pretty obvious (at least to me) that he belongs at wing. He seems to be winning alot of draws, so maybe that's why they have him at C.

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You know who I have been impressed with this game? Chicago's 2012 6th Rounder, Vince Hinostroza. A little undersized at 5'9", but he is seriously all over the place skating and creating offense, with a pretty nasty wrister to boot.

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10-11-2013, 09:22 PM
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Based on what? How much of him have you actually watched?
I watched a few notre dame games last season. But the stats tell a lot. How many guys with his lack of production in college hockey so far amount to much in the pros?

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10-11-2013, 09:53 PM
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Adam Tambellini scored his first collegiate goal tonight. Congrats to the kid.

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I watched a few notre dame games last season. But the stats tell a lot. How many guys with his lack of production in college hockey so far amount to much in the pros?
As a freshman? I'm sure a decent number. Brian Boyle and Jeff Halpern are two I found with a whole 3 minutes of half-assed searching. Both guys in a somewhat similar mold to Fogarty in that they're two-way centers. One of the first things Gordie Clark said about Fogarty when he was drafted was that he was going to take a long time to develop. He's going probably going to be at Notre Dame for 3 more seasons. It's pretty stupid to write him off because of a handful of games you saw in his freshman year as he was adjusting to a brand new environment, system, and country.

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10-11-2013, 10:58 PM
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As a freshman? I'm sure a decent number. Brian Boyle and Jeff Halpern are two I found with a whole 3 minutes of half-assed searching. Both guys in a somewhat similar mold to Fogarty in that they're two-way centers. One of the first things Gordie Clark said about Fogarty when he was drafted was that he was going to take a long time to develop. He's going probably going to be at Notre Dame for 3 more seasons. It's pretty stupid to write him off because of a handful of games you saw in his freshman year as he was adjusting to a brand new environment, system, and country.
Boyle and Halpern? If anything, those examples prove my point. I highly doubt Fogarty is going to be an impact player at the NHL level. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see it. The kid was mediocre in the BCHL and has been underwhelming in college hockey so far. It can't be denied.

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Boyle and Halpern? If anything, those examples prove my point. I highly doubt Fogarty is going to be an impact player at the NHL level. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see it. The kid was mediocre in the BCHL and has been underwhelming in college hockey so far. It can't be denied.
What do you mean that "proves" your point? Am I missing something? Did we draft him third overall or third round? If we can get defensive centers capable of 12-20 goals in the third round consistently then I'll be ecstatic.

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10-12-2013, 12:20 AM
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What do you mean that "proves" your point? Am I missing something? Did we draft him third overall or third round? If we can get defensive centers capable of 12-20 goals in the third round consistently then I'll be ecstatic.
What has Fogarty shown so far that makes you think he's capable of that?

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10-12-2013, 12:33 AM
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What has Fogarty shown so far that makes you think he's capable of that?
"So far." He's one game into his sophomore season. Again, he was drafted based on projection. Will he become an NHLer? I don't know. I'm certainly not going to say yes or no based on the freshman season stats of a guy everyone knew would need a ton of work.

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10-12-2013, 01:04 AM
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"So far." He's one game into his sophomore season. Again, he was drafted based on projection. Will he become an NHLer? I don't know. I'm certainly not going to say yes or no based on the freshman season stats of a guy everyone knew would need a ton of work.
No one does for sure but my opinion based on what he's done so far is that he won't. Time will tell.

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10-12-2013, 01:04 AM
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Duclair scored another highlight reel tonight... on the PK!

http://tvasports.ca/videos/video-jeu...dans-lhistoire

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Buchnevich goal at 0:08 and almost scored a beauty at 4:15


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Boyle and Halpern? If anything, those examples prove my point. I highly doubt Fogarty is going to be an impact player at the NHL level. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see it. The kid was mediocre in the BCHL and has been underwhelming in college hockey so far. It can't be denied.
If a third round pick becomes a NHL regular then its a successful pick. Even if its as a third/fourth line tweener that is good defensively, win draws, and play the PK.

Being an "impact" player at the NHL level doesn't determine if a pick was a bust or not when they are selected in the mid third round.

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Duclair scored another highlight reel tonight... on the PK!

http://tvasports.ca/videos/video-jeu...dans-lhistoire
That looks like the Rangers defense there, no resistance.

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That looks like the Rangers defense there, no resistance.
The defenseman made the mistake to let him get to his level before making a move. Even if you move when Duclair is 2 feet in front of you, it's too late, he's already behind you.

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quick questions boys.. what are the lines in hartford?

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quick questions boys.. what are the lines in hartford?
Last night it was:

Kristo-Lindberg-Kreider
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There's also Hrivik-Jean-Bourque, but they were out last night. Beacon reported that they all have the flu.

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10-12-2013, 10:09 AM
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If you look at the previous drafts,most of the draft picks past the first two rounds never make it

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/index.html

The Rangers traded a 3rd in 2010 for Brian Boyle. LA used that selection on Jordan Weal. 5-10 170. Put up points in the WHL. 33 points in 68 games in the AHL last season. This is Boyle's 5th year with the Rangers. He has his faults but the guy is a NHLer.

Chicago traded a 2nd and a 3rd in 2013 for Oduya who was a pending free agent. They made that trade at the deadline on 2012. They re-signed Oduya. He was a big part of the Cup team. The Rangers tried that with Clowe who wanted too much money,he was too slow and too injury prone.

Sometimes you're better off trading a pick or picks for an established player. That player will play for you while the pick is a crapshoot.

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Not all, though. Our team would be worse off without the contributions of middle to late round picks like Ryan Callahan, Carl Hagelin, Henrik Lundqvist, and eventually possibly Fast and Nicholls.

The picks we have been dealing recently have been early ones.

You can move picks for established players, but sometimes keeping it within reason is good. If you don't take part in the crapshoot you miss out on the Hagelins and Lundqvists.

One of the points I do like to make is that most successful late round picks are from lower leagues in Sweden, Czech Republic, ect. It's a lot less common that north american kids will be good from those rounds, and one of the major reasons why I think is because NA is very comprehensively scouted, and no one knows how play will translate from europe to the NHL.

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