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10-12-2013, 08:33 AM
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Captain Callahan

Don't get me wrong, I like Callahan as a player. He plays hard and clean, doesn't have the softest hands, but finds ways to score goals. He also seems to have a great attitude and work ethic.

I'm wondering what effect either negative or positive Callahan is having as the captain of the Rangers.

Last years team quit on the coach. Did that happen with cally's approval or was he involved in the process at all. He seemed to be perfect of torts type hockey.

This team, in my opinion, lacks an identity. This is understandable, considering the new coach, new system, serious turnover in roster players. But someone on the ice needs to take this team by the rains and take it in the right direction.

Does yoru captain do that? Players are supposed to be answering to themselves first. Where is the acountabilty?

Just curious on thoughts about the role of the captain and how Callahan has been doing.

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10-12-2013, 09:13 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I like Callahan as a player. He plays hard and clean, doesn't have the softest hands, but finds ways to score goals. He also seems to have a great attitude and work ethic.

I'm wondering what effect either negative or positive Callahan is having as the captain of the Rangers.

Last years team quit on the coach. Did that happen with cally's approval or was he involved in the process at all. He seemed to be perfect of torts type hockey.

This team, in my opinion, lacks an identity. This is understandable, considering the new coach, new system, serious turnover in roster players. But someone on the ice needs to take this team by the rains and take it in the right direction.

Does yoru captain do that? Players are supposed to be answering to themselves first. Where is the acountabilty?

Just curious on thoughts about the role of the captain and how Callahan has been doing.
We're 1-3.



Threads like this don't serve a purpose this early in the season. You guys need to relax with the finger pointing and let things play out and level off to some form of consistency so we know what kind of team we really have.

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Some people think he acts too much like Drury that he's boring, and not loud enough.

What captains are you guys watching? I rarely notice any of them being more intense than Callahan.

We also don't know what goes on behind closed doors, so the assumption that no one is being held accountable is just that. I don't think this team is imploding, I think they are having issues getting up for games mentally. You can appear ready outwardly but between the ears can hold you back. I think that's all that is going on.

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We're talking about a team that collectively quit on their coach last year. A coach that preached a type of game that Callahan excels at. I'm kind of curious about what folks think happened behind the scenes and what role te captain has during that time.

People blame the system, te coach, he'll, even Brian Boyle. Not much talk about leadership.

Rangers rolled over last game. Not good.

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10-12-2013, 09:26 AM
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Some people think he acts too much like Drury that he's boring, and not loud enough.

What captains are you guys watching? I rarely notice any of them being more intense than Callahan.

We also don't know what goes on behind closed doors, so the assumption that no one is being held accountable is just that. I don't think this team is imploding, I think they are having issues getting up for games mentally. You can appear ready outwardly but between the ears can hold you back. I think that's all that is going on.
I think people who compare him to Drury are spot on. In fact, I was going to come into this thread and post about how much Drury had an impact on Callahan as a captain.

Callahan grew up as a player under Drury's captainship, and even had Drury with him at the Olympics in 2010.

I can especially recall a picture that Avery posted after the Olympics ended with the caption along the lines of: "Our US boys are back at it" and it was Drury and Callahan sitting right next to each other, Callahan getting a lesson from Drury.

In terms of how they play on the ice? Very different.

In the terms of their personality, and how they lead the team by example and not by words? Spot on. And of course there is nothing wrong by leading by example. There is nothing wrong with as a captain sending a message by sacrificing your body night in and night out rather than through words. I think a lot of Rangers fans prefer a fiery, open leader due to the years of Messier at the helm of this team. I think I might prefer that, too.

Being completely honest, when Drury left and the time came for the Rangers to name a new captain, I wanted them to give the 'C' to Dubi. Not because I think he's a better player than Callahan, because I obviously don't, but because of their different personalities. Dubinsky would lead on the ice, and off the ice in a more open and passionate way. And that's not to say Callahan isn't passionate, but to say that he doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve as clearly as others do.

This post went longer than I wanted, I'm sorry. I do think Callahan is the right captain for this team though!

That being said, I'm not going to let this post ruin my holiday

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Boyle for Captain!

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Haha.

Funny thing is there is not another person on this team I can see as captain. Maybe Staal, but he seems too soft spoken.

Nowore than ever, this team is in need of a strong leader.

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I fully understand the comparisons to Drury, the point is outside of a few captains around the league they all seem rather droll.

So this is another "stuck in the past" thread?

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10-12-2013, 10:36 AM
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Personally, I would prefer Stepan as the captain, he's been a model of consistency ever since his rookie season. He may become captain after Cally.

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10-12-2013, 10:39 AM
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The Drury-Cally comparison is a good one and there's nothing wrong with that. Both are lead by example types.

The Rangers could use some more fiery, vocal personalities in the locker room though.

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We're talking about a team that collectively quit on their coach last year. A coach that preached a type of game that Callahan excels at. I'm kind of curious about what folks think happened behind the scenes and what role te captain has during that time.

People blame the system, te coach, he'll, even Brian Boyle. Not much talk about leadership.

Rangers rolled over last game. Not good.
Cally tries to LEAD by example. Problem is 95% of the team wants nothing to do with the way he plays. Therein lies a part of the problem with the 2013-14 NYR.

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I don't think we need a new captain I just think we need a little more vocal veteran leadership, I don't believe Richards is that guy at least not anymore, too mentally weak and not exactly fiery!

You're not gonna find a Messier but someone in the warrior, veteran mold who has playoff and cup experience would really help this team. Question is who is out there that you could acquire that fits that description?


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The best captains lead by example, and that's what Callahan does on the ice. He plays hard in both zones, blocks shots and finishes his checks. As TankLarkin posted, the Rangers have players on their roster who won't play this style of hockey.

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The best captains lead by example, and that's what Callahan does on the ice. He plays hard in both zones, blocks shots and finishes his checks. As TankLarkin posted, the Rangers have players on their roster who won't play this style of hockey.
This is true as well, there's nobody willing or able to play that game besides him!

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I think Cally is a good captain. A lot of them lead by example, but when your other leaders do the same then there is just no talking going on. I see Cally starting games off with big hits and a lot of energy but no-one seems to be following his lead.

It wouldn't hurt to have someone in the room who is more vocal. That is not to say Cally should not be captain anymore.

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Cally is a good captain for a Torts type coach.

Torts was the loudest voice in the room, every time. Cally was the stand-out player on the ice. It used to be, the team would see him block a series of shots, throw some hits on players twice his size, or out hassle an opponent, and they would seem to push harder too.

Last game, Callahan Richards and Fast were the only players I saw a higher amount of effort from. It's like they see their getting crushed, they see one line TRY to fight back, and they just don't care.

I don't know anymore man.

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I do agree with the Drury comparisons, but thankfully Drury was a good player when he was Callahan's age and there is nothing wrong with him being like him.

I would vote Stepan next captain, but unless Callahan falls off a cliff, there is no reason he shouldn't captain this team.

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I do agree with the Drury comparisons, but thankfully Drury was a good player when he was Callahan's age and there is nothing wrong with him being like him.

I would vote Stepan next captain, but unless Callahan falls off a cliff, there is no reason he shouldn't captain this team.
When Richie is gone (Which he's going to make it a very hard decision this year), I'd happily hand Step the "A"

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When Richie is gone (Which he's going to make it a very hard decision this year), I'd happily hand Step the "A"
Theres absolutely nothing difficult about the Richards decision

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Callahan reminds me of Wayne Chrebet. Nothing special but definitely understandable why the fans love him.

25 goals and 50 points is pretty good for a two-way forward.

He usually sucks in the playoffs though. You'd like your captain to be somebody you can turn to who can lead by example and deliver clutch play.

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Ovechkin, Thornton, Backes , Brown, Giroux (loud, I don't know about fiery), Doan, Weber, Chara, Phaneuf, Getzlaf are all captains.

Iginla was captain in Calgary until last year (have they replaced yet?). Dubinsky and Ott are co-captains on their current teams.

I was on the fence about Toews, Zetterberg, Salvador, Landeskog, Ference, Ladd, St. Louis (certainly intense). The only distinctly mellow guys I can think of are Cally, Sedin, Benn (doesn't seem vocal, but I have little sample size), Spezza, Tavares, Crosby (not really mellow, but I can't imagine he makes speeches to rally his guys, certainly gets emotional though), Koivu, Gionta, and I'm not even sure about all of them. I can honestly say Cally is very likely top 3 least vocal captains out there.

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Theres absolutely nothing difficult about the Richards decision
He comes up and breaks 70 points, it's clear what needs to be done, but it's going to hurt to pull the trigger

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Cally is a good captain for a Torts type coach.

Torts was the loudest voice in the room, every time. Cally was the stand-out player on the ice. It used to be, the team would see him block a series of shots, throw some hits on players twice his size, or out hassle an opponent, and they would seem to push harder too.

Last game, Callahan Richards and Fast were the only players I saw a higher amount of effort from. It's like they see their getting crushed, they see one line TRY to fight back, and they just don't care.

I don't know anymore man.
I agree that he was the right guy for Torts. A loud, fiery captain would have just been redundant and overkill. But now that the loud, fiery coach is gone that role is completely vacant in our room.

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Some people think he acts too much like Drury that he's boring, and not loud enough.

What captains are you guys watching? I rarely notice any of them being more intense than Callahan.

We also don't know what goes on behind closed doors, so the assumption that no one is being held accountable is just that. I don't think this team is imploding, I think they are having issues getting up for games mentally. You can appear ready outwardly but between the ears can hold you back. I think that's all that is going on.
I hear the Blackhawks have a very fiery, animated captain. The Isles captain has amazing intonation as well.

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I agree that he was the right guy for Torts. A loud, fiery captain would have just been redundant and overkill. But now that the loud, fiery coach is gone that role is completely vacant in our room.
If Dorsett was more of a veteran on this team, I think he could be that guy.

They need to get angry, and they need to start taking these losses personally. There are a lot of comparisons to this Rangers team right now, and the Giants team this season.

Not enough swagger. Antrel Rolle/Ryan Callahan isn't enough. Get angry on the ice. Get tough. Have some god damn pride.

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