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10-12-2013, 10:36 AM
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I have nothing against him or his tactics for the most part but I don't think he's made us a better team yet.

Yes we're doing better with faceoffs years year. THat's the only thing where I can say we're better off this season.

Need to get more out of Hall, Yakupov, and Eberle. He needs to find a way to get that bottom six working.

I'm pretty sure that Action is only here because Eakins brought him in. Eakins needs to elevate that guy's play. it's not working at all for me. That's all on Eakins. Brown also needs to pull his pants up.

Ryan Smyth shouldn't have been on the third line last game. That's going way too soft on him.
Acton is on your squad because he shows the guys with all the natural talent in the world what it means to be a pro. Acton has worked his ass off to be a 4th liner in the NHL... his talent is marginal, but his work ethic is second to none. By having guys like that give 200% in every practice, Dallas is hoping it rubs off on guys like Yakupov.

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Cool article in a Toronto rag this morning about Dallas. Nothing but praise from guys he helped become NHLers.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...ns_oilers.html

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i thought he was a bit thicker to be honest. When they show him on the bench his neck looks skinnier than i thought it would be. prehaps he should ease off the cardio and hit the weights a bit? hard to say as he is getting a bit older so muscle mass declines. His choice in suits hasnt been too bad. a little bulky for his frame in the shoulders but no out of style color wise. His hair needs a trim though, i can tell his side part is getting in his eyes when he plays ryan smyth at any point in the game.

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10-12-2013, 01:07 PM
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But seriously though, I like Eakins despite the rough start. Love how he's riding the young guys (gotta be a better way to say this) and his determined nature will eventually start to rub off on everyone. Jesus, I sound like Jack Michaels.

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Main difference is that Krueger nourished the youngstars creativity to allow them to make plays.. and build confidence.. lead by example

Eakins is authoritarian and the players confidence is shot because their creativity they feel might be getting stifled.. this of course is where hemsky comes in handy who can make something out of nothing. Once the youngstars re-learn how to be creative with the new system i'm sure they will surpass krugegers defensive lapsed system.
The stars on this club have been anything but creative lately. They've stifled their own creativity. This is a club that is trying the perfect pass across the ice beyond much else. For creativity watch some of the goals the nucks scored against us. Patterned puck movement to areas we don't even flirt with.

Our young stars are guilty of trying the perfect one timer setups too much instead of finding other scoring schemes. At the same time its more than curious that the same club so reliant on passes across fails to defend them and look surprised every time we're scored against in similar fashion. This is particularly maddening. We lost to Montreal on goals we try to make every game. But Habs didn't give us those gimme looks.

Watch Perron's goal scoring sense vs the incumbents here. Whens the last time you saw somebody score here off the faceoff? Perron just did. Just case in point but I see perron routinely changing up angles, cloaking in positions, feigning movement etc.
Imagination on display. We need more of it. Not too curiosly he's been more dangerous than any of the "creative" incumbents.

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I generally like Eakins post game comments.

I find his real time bench management somewhat odd.

For one, his outlandish thoughts on forward toi. Thinking that Hall should be able to handle a diet of 27mins/game.
Right now, as I type this, the top 3 forwards toi/game are all Oilers. The kids, go figure. All getting several more minutes in the NHL then the top players in the game. jebus, if I'm giving anybody over 25mins/game I'm giving it to Crosby, Ovechkin. Hall, Eberle? RNH? not so much. To add to the overtaxing minutes Eakins is allotting he's also using these guys for pk stints. Which taxes them even more.
Fact of the matter is that no other head coach believes that top forwards should get 25 or more minutes/night. Eakins, apparently due to his marathon sensitivities believes it should be able to happen. He's dreaming. Its one thing to take a 150lb soaking wet male body and run it in marathons or triathlons. To expect a 200lb male to play 25minutes forward in intense NHL hockey is plain nuts. Nobody does it, nobody expects it, but we got a crackerjack here that does. sigh.

Next, while the kidstars are barely getting off the ice, the most effective forward on the club this year, Gordon, is on the ice for 12mins against Montreal. Somebody explain this. Apparently an oversight, maybe Gordon sitting on the wrong spot on the bench, who knows..lol.

Eakins also playing J Schultz, who at times has looked like bambi in his own end, the most minutes, over 25/night. He's on the top of the order. In his most memorable moment he's caught clock watching as an NHL style forecheck completely schools him resulting in serious scoring chances.

So lets deduce where Eakins is getting seduced. Clearly he likes skill beyond much else. To wit guys like J Schultz, Hall, Eberle, RNH, getting the most minutes. Solid guys like Smid, Gordon, often forgotten. EAkins also on record singling out Hemsky as the most impressive player on this club. Hello 2004, what coach has made that observation over the last decade. Most people see inherent flaws in Hemskys game and it shouldn't take long. But right now Hemsky is a beautiful swan. Because Eakins is being lulled with NHL skill. I'm almost surprised Omark didn't make the club.

OK, that got off much more sarcastic than I intended and started to be a rant.

I like eakins, I think he'll be a fine coach, its just frustrating seeing him engage in so many errant pursuits that are sure to be learning curves.

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Like his words after the games. Gives a good presser. I am only wondering can he get Yak's going again because he just needs more ice. He just needs some confidence in his game. he is doing not bad with what we got but we need a stud D so they can calm down in our end.

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Eakins is authoritarian
this.

the macho dad / clint eastwood vibe is lame and will wear thin sooner or later.

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I generally like Eakins post game comments.

I find his real time bench management somewhat odd.

For one, his outlandish thoughts on forward toi. Thinking that Hall should be able to handle a diet of 27mins/game.
Right now, as I type this, the top 3 forwards toi/game are all Oilers. The kids, go figure. All getting several more minutes in the NHL then the top players in the game. jebus, if I'm giving anybody over 25mins/game I'm giving it to Crosby, Ovechkin. Hall, Eberle? RNH? not so much. To add to the overtaxing minutes Eakins is allotting he's also using these guys for pk stints. Which taxes them even more.
Fact of the matter is that no other head coach believes that top forwards should get 25 or more minutes/night. Eakins, apparently due to his marathon sensitivities believes it should be able to happen. He's dreaming. Its one thing to take a 150lb soaking wet male body and run it in marathons or triathlons. To expect a 200lb male to play 25minutes forward in intense NHL hockey is plain nuts. Nobody does it, nobody expects it, but we got a crackerjack here that does. sigh.

Next, while the kidstars are barely getting off the ice, the most effective forward on the club this year, Gordon, is on the ice for 12mins against Montreal. Somebody explain this. Apparently an oversight, maybe Gordon sitting on the wrong spot on the bench, who knows..lol.

Eakins also playing J Schultz, who at times has looked like bambi in his own end, the most minutes, over 25/night. He's on the top of the order. In his most memorable moment he's caught clock watching as an NHL style forecheck completely schools him resulting in serious scoring chances.

So lets deduce where Eakins is getting seduced. Clearly he likes skill beyond much else. To wit guys like J Schultz, Hall, Eberle, RNH, getting the most minutes. Solid guys like Smid, Gordon, often forgotten. EAkins also on record singling out Hemsky as the most impressive player on this club. Hello 2004, what coach has made that observation over the last decade. Most people see inherent flaws in Hemskys game and it shouldn't take long. But right now Hemsky is a beautiful swan. Because Eakins is being lulled with NHL skill. I'm almost surprised Omark didn't make the club.

OK, that got off much more sarcastic than I intended and started to be a rant.

I like eakins, I think he'll be a fine coach, its just frustrating seeing him engage in so many errant pursuits that are sure to be learning curves.
There is nothing inherently wrong with expecting top players to be leaders on ice. That's exactly what needs to happen if we hope this club to take a big step forward. Its chances for the Stanley Cup will live and die with Hall/RNH/Eberle/Yakupov realizing their potential. I don't think Eakins seriously expects them to play 25 minutes a night for the rest of the season. I see this more as a test. He's testing these guys' mettle. We'll see how they fare tonight against the Leafs and how Eakins manages his bench if the team gets ahead on the scoreboard.

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10-12-2013, 01:44 PM
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Eakins has a hell of a lot to prove IMO.
He talks a good game but his words are not translating into results on the ice. For large periods of the last few games we have looked more clueless and disorganized than any time in the last 3 years.
I am not sold on this coaching change right now. Words are cheap and I don't see Eakins improving this hockey club.

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There is nothing inherently wrong with expecting top players to be leaders on ice. That's exactly what needs to happen if we hope this club to take a big step forward. Its chances for the Stanley Cup will live and die with Hall/RNH/Eberle/Yakupov realizing their potential. I don't think Eakins seriously expects them to play 25 minutes a night for the rest of the season. I see this more as a test. He's testing these guys' mettle. We'll see how they fare tonight against the Leafs and how Eakins manages his bench if the team gets ahead on the scoreboard.
Its not about leadership, its about utilizing players and their skillsets sensibly.

He's on record STATING that Hall should be able to handle 27mins night. I'm not JUST going on the fact that the minutes allotted have been as odd as his comment. They confirm his comment to this point.

It would be literally impossible to play NHL forwards much north of 20mins/every night. To suggest 27 verbally is ludicrous. Trouble is Eakins gives away credibility when he makes these kinds of comments. Eakins won't end up doing that because he should see the error of his ways in short order. Because he'll note his star forwards hitting a wall at some point in this roadtrip.

Its one thing to test his players fitness. Theres many ways to do that. To do it in game action where its costing the team is not where I would do it.

We'll see what happens on the road because overshifting players is possibly even worse on the road.

That said if I'm coach of this team no forward is getting more minutes than Gordon.

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10-12-2013, 01:56 PM
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Its not about leadership, its about utilizing players and their skillsets sensibly.

He's on record STATING that Hall should be able to handle 27mins night. I'm not JUST going on the fact that the minutes allotted have been as odd as his comment. They confirm his comment to this point.

It would be literally impossible to play NHL forwards much north of 20mins/every night. To suggest 27 verbally is ludicrous. Trouble is Eakins gives away credibility when he makes these kinds of comments. Eakins won't end up doing that because he should see the error of his ways in short order. Because he'll note his star forwards hitting a wall at some point in this roadtrip.

Its one thing to test his players fitness. Theres many ways to do that. To do it in game action where its costing the team is not where I would do it.

We'll see what happens on the road because overshifting players is possibly even worse on the road.

That said if I'm coach of this team no forward is getting more minutes than Gordon.
If you set the bar low, you will never go as far. Sometimes you have to test the limits of what people can do to learn about their character. We'll see what happens with Eakins and his young stars.

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still early

he needs to get some results

We have started well in other seasons, just to fall flat. There are also a lot of teams that have started really well this year that might not necessarily stay hot or even in the playoff hunt.

We need to be a better team 5-on-5. I think that is what Dallas is trying to do, though I'm not sure it'll work.

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this.

the macho dad / clint eastwood vibe is lame and will wear thin sooner or later.
And yet when Babcock et al do it it's fine right?

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And yet when Babcock et al do it it's fine right?
heh, not to make too much of a deal with this but Babcock actually looks tough, fierce, and somebody I would think twice about getting into it with.

When a guy thats soaking wet 150lbs tries to get in your face and look all tough it really doesn't hold any water.

The angry little guy thing like barring fangs and growling only goes so far. Its not Eakins card at all and he should stop it. He would be best as a lifeskills type coach and making sure the club is fit then trying to be challenging with demeanor. I'm sure Babcock has intimidated the snot out of a few players in his time. I can't see that happening with Eakins. The smile works better than the frown in the latter case.

Eakins doesn't have his NHL shtick well thought out yet. Its one thing to be a hardline guy with AHL players requiring your stamp of approval to ever see the light of day of NHL hockey. Its a completely another thing to use it too much with already established NHL players who could just as easily tune you out and not ever worry about it.

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And yet when Babcock et al do it it's fine right?
Of course, because everything Edmonton related is terrible don't you know?

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He's got a long ways to go to understand how coaching works in the NHL. I'm seeing a lot of the same bad habits on this team from last year.

Makes you wonder if it's a coaching problem or a "core player" problem.

Might be time to start thinking about moving some of the wunderkids

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In short. Way premature but so far a lot of talk and not a lot of walk.

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He's got a long ways to go to understand how coaching works in the NHL. I'm seeing a lot of the same bad habits on this team from last year.

Makes you wonder if it's a coaching problem or a "core player" problem.

Might be time to start thinking about moving some of the wunderkids
Funny you mentioned this as I was just reading this article on the EJ:
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...242/story.html

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In the meantime, the Oilers continue to try to master the new system, something that is new even to defensive specialist Gordon, although he has seen other teams employ it.

Since he has been about “10 years old,” Gordon has been more accustomed to the traditional plan in which one defenceman guards the front of the net, while his partner and the centre do the puck retrieval chores along the wall and in the corner.

Habits being habits, do the Oilers lapse back to that approach in the heat of battle?

“Yeah, I think everyone has,” Gordon said. “I know I have.”
They'll get it, it's a matter of reconditioning the brain. Maybe Eakins should ring a bell a la Pavlov to break the old habits in order to reinforce the new habits-haha.

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He seems...

like an even keel individual behind the bench ( calm demeanor) but at some point he needs to be more vocal and forefront with his players. Being an a**hole sometimes brings out the best in people especially if those people aren't giving 100% as professionals and you expect them to.

There are definetly some early negative tendancies that the team as unit need to work out but it does flow from above in order for it to work.

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I like him. He seems like a true stand-up guy that is going to coach this team the right way. I hope we will have success with him.

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Excellent hair, nice eyes and a western drawl....This team is playing like ****, has been **** for years I don't think even Bowman could turn these stiffs around. If they suck for the next month i'm cheering for the flames.

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Acton is on your squad because he shows the guys with all the natural talent in the world what it means to be a pro. Acton has worked his ass off to be a 4th liner in the NHL... his talent is marginal, but his work ethic is second to none. By having guys like that give 200% in every practice, Dallas is hoping it rubs off on guys like Yakupov.
I'm pretty sure that Yakupov puts in a good level of effort when he knows what to do in the situation he's in.

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Perfect shot. Dubs just sitting there

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