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10-13-2013, 01:30 AM
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The one satisfaction I had while attending the Ducks game was yelling "BOYLE YOU SUCK" as loud as I could in my Rangers jersey. I know he heard me.
Oh yeah, that'll make the team better...

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10-13-2013, 01:45 AM
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And, if you want to complete your argument against keeping Boyle, would you not also have to look at the others who do not score, or possess 'puck skills'?
It's just Boyle?

Dorsett, Pyatt, D. Moore showed so much better, I assume.
Why do people always claim this when someone critiques a player they like. It's a poor defensive tactic used to deflect blame away from the player and from yourself for taking it too personal. You see it all the time around here, same thing happened with Zuc in the PGT.

Just because he doesn't like how Boyle is playing or being used doesn't mean he thinks those other guys are Gretzky, Howe and Messier. It's immature, you know what they say about those who assume.


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Oh yeah, that'll make the team better...
Sometimes one needs to put one's foot down.

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He's gotta be so bad that he makes all his haters jump off a bridge out of frustration with the team so we don't have to deal with them anymore when they pick their next whipping boy.

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The one satisfaction I had while attending the Ducks game was yelling "BOYLE YOU SUCK" as loud as I could in my Rangers jersey. I know he heard me.

Yeah that'll help. Watch him now play like a man possessed.

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10-13-2013, 03:02 AM
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These threads are getting old...Are you really not capable of distinguish a good defensive player from a bad one or what? Boyle's game is so far from the problem this year that it's not even funny. But well, he IS a big man that does not fight very well, and that is not something that is tolerated on this board.

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10-13-2013, 03:10 AM
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Yeah that'll help. Watch him now play like a man possessed.
a man possessed?


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10-13-2013, 09:26 AM
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Fair enough, but from what I saw tonight, Boyle was in more offensive positions then we had seen in the previous regime, but this could be open to debate.
Boyle provides defensive and PK abilities that should be a part of every team. Its not his fault this roster sucks and hes thrust into a top 9 role. As usual, the fanbase is looking for a scapegoat, a silver bullet to the problems. Torts is gone, so I guess Boyle is next.

There was a time where Ranger fans where more educated than this.

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10-13-2013, 11:31 AM
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Boyle provides defensive and PK abilities that should be a part of every team. Its not his fault this roster sucks and hes thrust into a top 9 role. As usual, the fanbase is looking for a scapegoat, a silver bullet to the problems. Torts is gone, so I guess Boyle is next.

There was a time where Ranger fans where more educated than this.
So looking at the stats only 10 players on this team have a point and of those 10 only 6 have more than 1 point. Boyle is actually one of the few with multiple points and his +/- is only -1 on a team where most of our defense is around -7.

If he was on the ice so much at even strength and not effective defensively how come his stats don't show that? The funny part is that he has more points than Zuc or Pouliot as well!

We know he's not that great offensively and we all wish he was out there crushing people but if the guy is used in the proper way he is more of an asset than some of the players people here make multiple excuses for.

If you have an issue with the amount of minutes he gets, what line he plays on or who his line mates are that's on management and their inability to construct a roster properly. If players could slot into roles where they belong it would allow everyone to play their game instead of being asked to do things they most likely aren't capable of.

Boyle gets PP time because other than Cally nobody else really goes to the net and he has size. I would prefer someone else there too but it's not like coaches here have that
many great options to choose from. The players we pay to get it done on the PP haven't be able to get it going for way too long. Some of these guys have been here a few seasons and are still being expected to accomplish things they so far, for the most part, have failed at! Who's fault is that? Who's to blame? We all know the answer to that!

Just checked and Boyle has less ice time than every single forward expected to create offense besides Pouliot and Nash who left a game early helping to skew his minutes. If Boyle can manage to score more points in fewer minutes than some players whose sole job is to provide offense that's on them. It's early so it remains to be seen how this bares out over 82 but right now it's not like he is really hurting this team the way others are making it sound.


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10-13-2013, 11:48 AM
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Boyle provides defensive and PK abilities that should be a part of every team. Its not his fault this roster sucks and hes thrust into a top 9 role. As usual, the fanbase is looking for a scapegoat, a silver bullet to the problems. Torts is gone, so I guess Boyle is next.

There was a time where Ranger fans where more educated than this.
Do you resign Boyle after the season is over?

If no, what is the point of keeping him past the trade deadline?

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I'm not a Boyle fan by any means but he is a top 4th line center on any team in this league. We simply don't have the depth to play him there. I don't like it but I've come more used to it. The bigger problem is Pyatt being slow and just capable of playing in this league and Dorsett running around like a moron. You want guys out of here look there.

Our forward depth sucks, in a year or two the young guys might pan out but for now the stop gaps simply aren't cutting it. Boyle whether we like it or not isn't a stopgap.

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Do you resign Boyle after the season is over?

If no, what is the point of keeping him past the trade deadline?
If you have no intent of resigning him and we are either a really low seed or outside the playoffs then of course you look to move him. The thing is, there's a lot of games between now and the TD. Who takes his ice time right now that will be any more effective in his role? If you think he should be traded now, what player are you getting back that is an upgrade when supposedly Boyle is a turd who doesn't even belong in the NHL?

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have yet to see a pro-Boyle argument.
I've seen plenty. He's a good 4th liner, good teammate and good defensive forward. Can slot into 3rd line W

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So looking at the stats only 10 players on this team have a point and of those 10 only 6 have more than 1 point. Boyle is actually one of the few with multiple points and his +/- is only -1 on a team where most of our defense is around -7.

If he was on the ice so much at even strength and not effective defensively how come his stats don't show that? The funny part is that he has more points than Zuc or Pouliot as well!

We know he's not that great offensively and we all wish he was out there crushing people but if the guy is used in the proper way he is more of an asset than some of the players people here make multiple excuses for.

If you have an issue with the amount of minutes he gets, what line he plays on or who his line mates are that's on management and their inability to construct a roster properly. If players could slot into roles where they belong it would allow everyone to play their game instead of being asked to do things they most likely aren't capable of.

Boyle gets PP time because other than Cally nobody else really goes to the net and he has size. I would prefer someone else there too but it's not like coaches here have that
many great options to choose from. The players we pay to get it done on the PP haven't be able to get it going for way too long. Some of these guys have been here a few seasons and are still being expected to accomplish things they so far, for the most part, have failed at! Who's fault is that? Who's to blame? We all know the answer to that!

Just checked and Boyle has less ice time than every single forward expected to create offense besides Pouliot and Nash who left a game early helping to skew his minutes. If Boyle can manage to score more points in fewer minutes than some players whose sole job is to provide offense that's on them. It's early so it remains to be seen how this bares out over 82 but right now it's not like he is really hurting this team the way others are making it sound.
Yup to the bolded

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I've seen plenty. He's a good 4th liner, good teammate and good defensive forward. Can slot into 3rd line W
Was not 100% sober when I wrote that.

Yes you described Boyle, but you also described Dom Moore. Not that I love Moore but you don't need two players like that especially if you are trying to increase offensive output.

If I move Boyle I replace with Lindberg. Gotta see what you have there, and in theory fits in well.

I would rather see a line of Kreider Lindberg Miller then Pyatt Boyle Dorsett.

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Was not 100% sober when I wrote that.

Yes you described Boyle, but you also described Dom Moore. Not that I love Moore but you don't need two players like that especially if you are trying to increase offensive output.

If I move Boyle I replace with Lindberg. Gotta see what you have there, and in theory fits in well.

I would rather see a line of Kreider Lindberg Miller then Pyatt Boyle Dorsett.

agreed..

Boyle is an UFA at season ends. i could see him resigning here but he will be an unrestricted for the 1st time although the Rangers somehow turned him into an NHL player. he was not much of that on the Kings...

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Why do people always claim this when someone critiques a player they like. It's a poor defensive tactic used to deflect blame away from the player and from yourself for taking it too personal. You see it all the time around here, same thing happened with Zuc in the PGT.

Just because he doesn't like how Boyle is playing or being used doesn't mean he thinks those other guys are Gretzky, Howe and Messier. It's immature, you know what they say about those who assume.
I'm not really deflecting anything. My argument is the same as a number of other posters here, who have consistently recognized that Boyle fills a role, and he does it better than many others around him. I'm not taking it personally. What I see is criticism of Boyle's offensive game. It's a misguided critique to be hearing ad nauseum through the season, which is what always happens.
Howe? Messier? Where did that come from?
Boyle is a very good fourth line player. If he were traded right now, I wonder who would take his place.

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I'm not really deflecting anything. My argument is the same as a number of other posters here, who have consistently recognized that Boyle fills a role, and he does it better than many others around him. I'm not taking it personally. What I see is criticism of Boyle's offensive game. It's a misguided critique to be hearing ad nauseum through the season, which is what always happens.
Howe? Messier? Where did that come from?
Boyle is a very good fourth line player. If he were traded right now, I wonder who would take his place.
Look I agree that the critique of his offense is misguided, see my post above. I was just trying to point out that every time someone criticizes a player they seem to like people respond with this defense of "yea because so and so has been so much better" etc. and that's where the Howe and Messier part came in. People can have an opinion on a certain player without it meaning they think everyone else is playing like a legend!

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agreed..

Boyle is an UFA at season ends. i could see him resigning here but he will be an unrestricted for the 1st time although the Rangers somehow turned him into an NHL player. he was not much of that on the Kings...
Boyle is going to want similar to Prust got at the minimum. Not to mention, everyone's favorite Boyle comparable Paul Gaustad got over 3 million. Either way That would be a terrible waste of money whether you like Boyle or not.

As far playing the kids instead of the vets, look at San Jose. They got better when they bailed on slow vets and committed to put young, fast, hungry players in their bottom six. Let them learn on the job without too many minutes or pressure. You can't tell me the players in Hartford aren't comparable to SJs youth movement over the last season and a half.

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The one satisfaction I had while attending the Ducks game was yelling "BOYLE YOU SUCK" as loud as I could in my Rangers jersey. I know he heard me.
I'm sure it was a very proud moment for you.

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I would rather see a line of Kreider Lindberg Miller then Pyatt Boyle Dorsett.
The former is young and inexperienced but it fits much more with what the coach wants. The latter is more of what Tortorella wanted.

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Boyle is going to want similar to Prust got at the minimum. Not to mention, everyone's favorite Boyle comparable Paul Gaustad got over 3 million. Either way That would be a terrible waste of money whether you like Boyle or not.

As far playing the kids instead of the vets, look at San Jose. They got better when they bailed on slow vets and committed to put young, fast, hungry players in their bottom six. Let them learn on the job without too many minutes or pressure. You can't tell me the players in Hartford aren't comparable to SJs youth movement over the last season and a half.
The Rangers were also doing this until they went on the run to the ECF. Then they became a 'win now' team.

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The former is young and inexperienced but it fits much more with what the coach wants. The latter is more of what Tortorella wanted.



The Rangers were also doing this until they went on the run to the ECF. Then they became a 'win now' team.
Oh I am aware, and now they are a win-then team. I miss Dubinsky and Prust. Don't miss Artie or Erixon. Gaborik was traded because the team took a half measure instead of a full measure. Really saddens mean what happened in the last year and a half.

I really don't think it's too late to go that route though, but they need to find some top line talent in the next two drafts. Probably isn't the right thread here to talk about it though

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Oh I am aware, and now they are a win-then team. I miss Dubinsky and Prust. Don't miss Artie or Erixon. Gaborik was traded because the team took a half measure instead of a full measure. Really saddens mean what happened in the last year and a half.

I really don't think it's too late to go that route though, but they need to find some top line talent in the next two drafts. Probably isn't the right thread here to talk about it though
My point was, I think the Rangers overachieved a bit in 11-12. They were a young team that had a surprise deep run. Then some decided to go overboard and made them a 'win now' team.

I think in some ways the Sather/organization got sucked into thinking we're contenders. I rather have seen them continue to do what they were doing prior to that run. Giving some of the prospects a shot.

I fear with AV, is he wants veterans instead of kids. You can't tell me a couple of our prospects, even if they aren't 100% NHL ready (they're not exactly green either), can't be on the 3rd line, instead of journeymen.

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My point was, I think the Rangers overachieved a bit in 11-12. They were a young team that had a surprise deep run. Then some decided to go overboard and made them a 'win now' team.

I think in some ways the Sather/organization got sucked into thinking we're contenders. I rather have seen them continue to do what they were doing prior to that run. Giving some of the prospects a shot.

I fear with AV, is he wants veterans instead of kids. You can't tell me a couple of our prospects, even if they aren't 100% NHL ready (they're not exactly green either), can't be on the 3rd line, instead of journeymen.
I agree it's their time. I will attempt to start a new thread when I can about my thoughts on this.

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