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10-13-2013, 02:38 PM
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Boyle provides defensive and PK abilities that should be a part of every team. Its not his fault this roster sucks and hes thrust into a top 9 role. As usual, the fanbase is looking for a scapegoat, a silver bullet to the problems. Torts is gone, so I guess Boyle is next.

There was a time where Ranger fans where more educated than this.
This should be stickied and put at the top of HFNYR.

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10-13-2013, 02:43 PM
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boyle is a good 4th liner and PK thats the truth

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why people still expect Boyle to be some sort of offensive dynamo is beyond me, have we not already gotten past that?

hes good for what he is which is a bottom 6 center whose decent in the dot, can certainly kill penalties and knows how to cycle to work the puck down low, this team has bigger issues then the underperforming 4th line center

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Boyle's cap hit is actually modest when you consider he'd be a perennial Selke candidate if he had better wheels.

Boyle is not bad. The fact that he plays 16:00 per-night speaks more to quality of our forwards than to him being a favorite. Scarily enough, he isn't being overused--it's that no one else combines size with drive and some kind of instinct.

Brian Boyle has been proving to be a top forward for us...

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10-13-2013, 03:05 PM
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I love his protectors in threads like this.

"He doesn't suck. He's misused and one-dimensional and occasionally contributes to a struggling PK, but his lack of production is the GMs and coach's fault"

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10-13-2013, 03:16 PM
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Boyle's cap hit is actually modest when you consider he'd be a perennial Selke candidate if he had better wheels.

Boyle is not bad. The fact that he plays 16:00 per-night speaks more to quality of our forwards than to him being a favorite. Scarily enough, he isn't being overused--it's that no one else combines size with drive and some kind of instinct.

Brian Boyle has been proving to be a top forward for us...
Sorry to pick on you, but this "Selke" BS on this friggin board is out of control and it needs to stop. Selke candidates shut dudes down and contribute in all three zones. Boyle contributes in one area of the ice -- his own dots to his goal line (a whopping 15 feet of ice), and even there, he struggles with coverage and clearing.

Blocking shots and winning 55 pct of face offs doesn't make you a Selke candidate. Being a thorn in opposing offenses sides, to the point where the other coach's forced to match lines to avoid him.

Name me one friggin coach who purposely tries to keep his threats away from Boyle.

Selke candidates are smart. Boyle could be Cournoyer in his prime and still not sniff a Selke.

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10-13-2013, 03:24 PM
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I love his protectors in threads like this.

"He doesn't suck. He's misused and one-dimensional and occasionally contributes to a struggling PK, but his lack of production is the GMs and coach's fault"
Well if he is all the things you are alluding to how come the GM resigned him and hasn't done anything to improve upon him since? How come 2 coaches are using him in similar fashion? These things are Boyle's fault? He's by no means perfect and can certainly be better at times. The only thing he's responsible for is his own play and if you have unreal expectations of what a player is going to provide you will always end up disappointed. He is what he is at this point.

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This should be stickied and put at the top of HFNYR.
Or you could sticky that he's overrated defensively. He's adequate; some nights better, some nights worse. However, he's ******** offensively EVERY night. And so when u put it all together you have a pretty crappy hockey player.

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Well if he is all the things you are alluding to how come the GM resigned him and hasn't done anything to improve upon him since? How come 2 coaches are using him in similar fashion? These things are Boyle's fault? He's by no means perfect and can certainly be better at times. The only thing he's responsible for is his own play and if you have unreal expectations of what a player is going to provide you will always end up disappointed. He is what he is at this point.
He sucks and he's not a good hockey player.


It's a sorry state of affairs when fans think Asking a guy to stop turning the puck over, make a tape to tape pass, clear the puck with authority, not get knocked off his skates every shift and actually prevent opponents from scoring as "unrealistic expectations"

Sather is most certainly at fault for Boyle being here 5 seasons. But that doesn't mean we can't point out the obvious that he's just dreadful to watch.

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Boyle's cap hit is actually modest when you consider he'd be a perennial Selke candidate if he had better wheels.

Boyle is not bad. The fact that he plays 16:00 per-night speaks more to quality of our forwards than to him being a favorite. Scarily enough, he isn't being overused--it's that no one else combines size with drive and some kind of instinct.

Brian Boyle has been proving to be a top forward for us...
He is being overused and he's not proving anything.

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He sucks and he's not a good hockey player.


It's a sorry state of affairs when fans think Asking a guy to stop turning the puck over, make a tape to tape pass, clear the puck with authority, not get knocked off his skates every shift and actually prevent opponents from scoring as "unrealistic expectations"

Sather is most certainly at fault for Boyle being here 5 seasons. But that doesn't mean we can't point out the obvious that he's just dreadful to watch.
You just described almost every other player on this team right now. Boyle somehow has better defensive stats and better offensive stats than some of them in less minutes. I'm not trying to personally defend him to no end, I know every single one of his faults but he's here and he is what he is like I said. If management or coaches won't remove him from the team that's on them.

Everyone should know what they're getting with him by now so your attempt to paint me as some lowbrow fan with a sad set of expectations has failed miserably.

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Or you could sticky that he's overrated defensively. He's adequate; some nights better, some nights worse. However, he's ******** offensively EVERY night. And so when u put it all together you have a pretty crappy hockey player.
You've just described the entire team, except a handful of players.

FOW
Brassard 28 (48%)
Stepan 21 (37.5)
Boyle 48 (55%)
D. Moore 30 (50%)

And -1 (which is obviously not good, but it is the highest on the team for players that have played in every game). 25 goals against in 5 games, and he's a -1 with 2 assists. He's won as many faceoffs as Stepan and Brassard combined.


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Who really cares if Brian freaking Boyle sucks? Even if he was playing the best hockey of his career it would only make this team marginally better. Bigger fish to fry.

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in the AHL in 2007-08 Brian Boyle had 31 goals 31 assist 62 pts 87 PIM in 70 games 1st on the team in goals 2ed in pts. interesting stat, Matt Moulson was 4th in pts with 56 and 2ed in goals with 28.


and in 08-09 in the AHL had 10 goals 21 pts in 41 games so he has had fluke seasons before..

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Here is why people hate Boyle:

1) That brilliant opening he had a few seasons ago where he dominated like a hybrid Jagr/Iginla

2) He doesn't use his size, for having such a huge natural advantage he doesn't know how to use it

3) he has crap hands

4) notorious for not clearing the puck on the PK due to mental lapse

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The problem isn't Boyle himself, it's how he's STILL being used even with a new coaching staff.

He's getting too many minutes...3rd line minutes. He's a 4th liner. And in those minutes, he's not doing anything to make his linemates better whether it's Fast, Brassard, Zuc, Pyatt, etc. He can't take a pass, isn't a good disher, and isn't very good along the boards anymore. He's not speedy either which for an AV system won't cut it.

He worked well with Feds and Prust because those two carried the line. He can't lead a line, which is a problem for a center.

I don't know if he makes it past this season.

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10-14-2013, 10:07 AM
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Here is why people hate Boyle:

1) That brilliant opening he had a few seasons ago where he dominated like a hybrid Jagr/Iginla

2) He doesn't use his size, for having such a huge natural advantage he doesn't know how to use it

3) he has crap hands

4) notorious for not clearing the puck on the PK due to mental lapse
1. I could see how this could piss off people that were dumb enough to believe that was the type of player he'd always be, and not realize the unsustainable shooting %

2. He uses his size just fine, he just doesn't crush the opposition, which probably makes you feel

3. Yes, probably the only thing I agree with. Thats why he should be a 4th liner, who is brought up into the lineup because the roster stinks

4. Don't know what you're talking about here. Silly point, or lack there of, hes a very good PKer

I can only imagine what Ducks fans thought when they're team was dominating the Rangers in every conceivable way and you're sitting there bashing Boyle.

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The problem isn't Boyle himself, it's how he's STILL being used even with a new coaching staff.

He's getting too many minutes...3rd line minutes. He's a 4th liner. And in those minutes, he's not doing anything to make his linemates better whether it's Fast, Brassard, Zuc, Pyatt, etc. He can't take a pass, isn't a good disher, and isn't very good along the boards anymore. He's not speedy either which for an AV system won't cut it.

He worked well with Feds and Prust because those two carried the line. He can't lead a line, which is a problem for a center.

I don't know if he makes it past this season.
How is it the coach's fault? Hes trying to cook with the **** ingredients provided to him

The only thing more misguided than pinning stuff on Boyle are the cries to replace him with prospects who aren't the least bit NHL ready.

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I'll raise my hand and honestly admit that the only reason I'm not a big fan of Boyle is because he's big, doesn't lay people out and drop the mitts. When I sit down and not think like a meathead though, I realize that the guy is excellent on the PK, decent on face-offs, very solid defensively and would be a welcome addition to any NHL teams bottom lines.

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for him to be traded or cut? I can't think of a worse forward in the NHL. How how how how how is this clown who uses none of his size, is slow and has no hands STILL a Ranger or even in the NHL? How is NYR management this stupid?

Also how is this no skill waste of a player a media favorite? I'd rather have any other NHL forward as well as many AHL forwards in his place. Why are we not burning him at the stake? Year after year his suckery goes unnoticed. It's tragic.
if anyone knows me, you know I cannot stand Boyle as a player.

Boyle is the least of our problems.

This team has a major problem grasping AV's system. I watched them give the puck away no less than 10 straight times during one sequence.

Get the puck, give it away, get the puck give it away.

They put nothing together in terms of attacking pressure.

They are playing a horrible style of game right now.

NO ONE WANTS TO SKATE WITH THE PUCK. NO ONE WANTS TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.

Boyle is part of that problem, but such a small part.

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Brian Boyle has started just 16.4% of his shifts in the offensive zone and is second on the team in shots on goal. And he's won 61.4% of his faceoffs. On a team that has a -16 goal differential, Boyle's -1. He has hardly been a problem.

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Sorry to pick on you, but this "Selke" BS on this friggin board is out of control and it needs to stop. Selke candidates shut dudes down and contribute in all three zones. Boyle contributes in one area of the ice -- his own dots to his goal line (a whopping 15 feet of ice), and even there, he struggles with coverage and clearing.

Blocking shots and winning 55 pct of face offs doesn't make you a Selke candidate. Being a thorn in opposing offenses sides, to the point where the other coach's forced to match lines to avoid him.

Name me one friggin coach who purposely tries to keep his threats away from Boyle.

Selke candidates are smart. Boyle could be Cournoyer in his prime and still not sniff a Selke.
You're picking on Boyle, not me... but I don't care all that much--he wasn't a big difference-maker at his best.

i do think you must give credit where it's due; he has size and some instinct. No skill or speed, but it's like throwing me (wheelchair user) into a 20 yard dash and saying I suck if I don't succeed... well sort of.

The point is, he's not rick Nash. He does other things that separate him from AHLers. The idea of "worst player in the NHL" is a fallacy, 'cause even if you could qualify that, the "worst" NHL players are substitutes who play 10 career games.

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Brian Boyle has started just 16.4% of his shifts in the offensive zone and is second on the team in shots on goal. And he's won 61.4% of his faceoffs. On a team that has a -16 goal differential, Boyle's -1. He has hardly been a problem.
I believe he's 55.8% on face offs, but in any case, the next closet is D. Moore at 50%; Stepan and Brassard aren't even close.

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On a team that can't score even-strength goals, the one that needs to be singled out to be tarred and feathered is the bottom center on the team.

Another brilliant analysis of what is currently wrong with the Rangers.

Boyle is currently minus 1 for the season, which ties him for the best number on the team except for the injured Nash.

Too many fans don't understand the game. I understand that, but when they scream like maniacs it becomes ludicrous.

Ah, it became clearer as I read more of thread. Said poster thinks the so far abomination Dorsett is being Averyed.

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