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10-14-2013, 11:40 AM
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Desharnais's value is probably not as low as many think. I'm sure there are GMs out there who believe they can get him and get him to be even better than he was, and that right now things are not working out for him here and that it's not his fault. By the same token, those GMs probably have players they believe are done and will never get better or whatever. These are the kind of players we'll get for him, projects.

If he's moved and he doesn't recover, THEN his value drops, a lot. Because the mirage of the change of scenery helping will have vanished and then it's all on Desharnais.

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10-14-2013, 11:43 AM
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There were indeed rumors involving Desprès and "and unknown Canadian team". Most people on the Pens' board figured it was the Canadiens.

The Pens' management apparently didn't like the fact Desprès reported to camp "out of shape", but I doubt this is the only reason why they'd consider trading him.

And logically, the Pens' biggest need would be a top 6 winger or a top 4 defenseman... Unless they are interested in Gorges, they'd probably go for someone like Gallagher (they'd obviously have to add something quite significant though).

And if a trade centering Gorges and Desprès were to happen, it'd make absolutely no sense for Bergevin considering he wants to add to the defensive core rather than swap players. So if Desprès is the target, I wouldn't be surprised if Gallagher's name came up... Or maybe high-end type of prospects like Collberg. Also the Habs might consider a swap with their own "headcase" in Nathan Beaulieu...

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10-14-2013, 11:50 AM
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that doesnt get u bogo

Quality >>> Quantity
K so how about

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10-14-2013, 11:52 AM
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There were indeed rumors involving Desprès and "and unknown Canadian team". Most people on the Pens' board figured it was the Canadiens.

The Pens' management apparently didn't like the fact Desprès reported to camp "out of shape", but I doubt this is the only reason why they'd consider trading him.

And logically, the Pens' biggest need would be a top 6 winger or a top 4 defenseman... Unless they are interested in Gorges, they'd probably go for someone like Gallagher (they'd obviously have to add something quite significant though).

And if a trade centering Gorges and Desprès were to happen, it'd make absolutely no sense for Bergevin considering he wants to add to the defensive core rather than swap players. So if Desprès is the target, I wouldn't be surprised if Gallagher's name came up... Or maybe high-end type of prospects like Collberg. Also the Habs might consider a swap with their own "headcase" in Nathan Beaulieu...
There's literally no way Gallagher is involved in a trade.

Subban, Price, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Galchenyuk and Eller are untouchable.

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10-14-2013, 11:53 AM
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Why would we need a defenseman? We got Briere.
If someone can make sense of this please help out.

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I'm not againts trading Eller for a no. 2 or 3 right-handed d-man like Bogosian.
You aren't eh ?


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Wait.... you're willing to trade away a player who is starting to fit the mould of EXACTLY what we've been looking for for over a decade for something we already have developing in our system... I hope your name isn't Marc Bergevin
Yeah i had a good lol also.

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jets need a top 4 left handed d-man

Gorges
DD
1st
3rd

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Bogo
Yeah, that won't get it done.

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The optimist in me would love revitalizing Tyler Myers career by acquiring him on the relatively cheap deal in terms of transaction.

The realist in me sees, Tinordi/Beaulieu and later Pateryn and Nygren sticking with the big club...

At some point of the season Boullion has to see his minutes reduced...
Myers will not be had for cheap. Unless cheap is Patches for Myers to you ?

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I'd aim Nashville. They CANT score goals and they have A LOT of Nhl ready defenceman.

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I'd aim Nashville. They CANT score goals and they have A LOT of Nhl ready defenceman.
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+ we already have a trade history with them recently

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There were indeed rumors involving Desprès and "and unknown Canadian team". Most people on the Pens' board figured it was the Canadiens.

The Pens' management apparently didn't like the fact Desprès reported to camp "out of shape", but I doubt this is the only reason why they'd consider trading him.

And logically, the Pens' biggest need would be a top 6 winger or a top 4 defenseman... Unless they are interested in Gorges, they'd probably go for someone like Gallagher (they'd obviously have to add something quite significant though).

And if a trade centering Gorges and Desprès were to happen, it'd make absolutely no sense for Bergevin considering he wants to add to the defensive core rather than swap players. So if Desprès is the target, I wouldn't be surprised if Gallagher's name came up... Or maybe high-end type of prospects like Collberg. Also the Habs might consider a swap with their own "headcase" in Nathan Beaulieu...
Bergevin wouldn't swap Gallagher or COllberg for Desprès when he brings the exact same thing Beaulieu and Subban are already bringing to the club.

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K so how about

Gorges
Pleks
1st
No, I'm not giving up Pleks for Bogo and I'd keep my 1st pick too.

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I'd aim Nashville. They CANT score goals and they have A LOT of Nhl ready defenceman.
Most of their good D are already in the NHL. Plus with Josi's injury, I'm not sure htey are thati nterested in shredding depth.

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10-14-2013, 12:24 PM
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Trading for Bogosian really wouldn't be efficient right now. He'd be very nice, of course, but he's still a flawed player, but someone the Jets are interested in building around, and I'm not convinced he's worth ripping ourselves off for. Bogosian can be pretty awful at times.

If we were trading for value with the Jets it would be for someone like Enstrom, who is definitely not as exciting and would cause this board to riot because of his height, but is a significant upgrade on Diaz.

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It's funny how everyone wants to get rid of gorges. I don't think people know what he brings to a team. He's one of our most reliable defencmen is willing to do anything for a team to get a W. I wouldn't trade gorges for bogosian straight up let alone pleky and a first. Lol bogosian seriously lol

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10-14-2013, 12:27 PM
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Trading for Bogosian really wouldn't be efficient right now. He'd be very nice, of course, but he's still a flawed player, but someone the Jets are interested in building around, and I'm not convinced he's worth ripping ourselves off for. Bogosian can be pretty awful at times.

If we were trading for value with the Jets it would be for someone like Enstrom, who is definitely not as exciting and would cause this board to riot because of his height, but is a significant upgrade on Diaz.
Overall I agree with what yo uare saying, but ENstrom is probably a top 20 defenseman in the NHL. He is sure something exciting to look up to. I mean he makes Big Buf look good on a nightly basis.

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Trading for Bogosian really wouldn't be efficient right now. He'd be very nice, of course, but he's still a flawed player, but someone the Jets are interested in building around, and I'm not convinced he's worth ripping ourselves off for. Bogosian can be pretty awful at times.

If we were trading for value with the Jets it would be for someone like Enstrom, who is definitely not as exciting and would cause this board to riot because of his height, but is a significant upgrade on Diaz.
Enstrom is injury prone.

So, pass.

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10-14-2013, 12:32 PM
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Enstrom is injury prone.

So, pass.
If you want to break it down, every NHL players are injury prone because they play a physical sport with real chances to get injured on every shifts.

If someone offers you Sidney Crosby you pass him up because he is injury prone?

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I'm not againts trading Eller for a no. 2 or 3 right-handed d-man like Bogosian.
So you are ok with:
Pleks
DD
White
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IMHO Bogo is to similar to Subban (the latter being better overall). No need to have another one of him.

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We shouldn't be looking for any D but we should develop our young guys. Nygren might also be ready by year end. Our d is just fine..

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If you want to break it down, every NHL players are injury prone because they play a physical sport with real chances to get injured on every shifts.

If someone offers you Sidney Crosby you pass him up because he is injury prone?
Do you know what injury prone means?

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i wouldnt mind trading for someone like kevin klein

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It's funny how everyone wants to get rid of gorges. I don't think people know what he brings to a team. He's one of our most reliable defencmen is willing to do anything for a team to get a W. I wouldn't trade gorges for bogosian straight up let alone pleky and a first. Lol bogosian seriously lol
Bogosian is an upgrade on Gorges in every aspect.

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Do you know what injury prone means?
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Bogosian is an upgrade on Gorges in every aspect.
defensively Gorges is better hten Bogo. Maybe eventually Bogo will be a better defensive player, but not right now.

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If you want to break it down, every NHL players are injury prone because they play a physical sport with real chances to get injured on every shifts.

If someone offers you Sidney Crosby you pass him up because he is injury prone?
Enstrom is another injury prone manlet, but you compare him to the best player in the world. Yeah, right.

So, to answer your question, just for the heck of it, i'll pass Enstrom 'cause injury prone manlet, but i'll take Crosby 'cause best player in the world.

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Enstrom is another injury prone manlet, but you compare him to the best player in the world. Yeah, right.

So, to answer your question, just for the heck of it, i'll pass Enstrom 'cause injury prone manlet, but i'll take Crosby 'cause best player in the world.
No I compared 2 injury prone players. Nuance.

Crosby is still an injury prone manlet. His next concussion could be the end of his career.

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It's funny how everyone wants to get rid of gorges. I don't think people know what he brings to a team. He's one of our most reliable defencmen is willing to do anything for a team to get a W. I wouldn't trade gorges for bogosian straight up let alone pleky and a first. Lol bogosian seriously lol
I think you are over-valuing him.

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