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10-14-2013, 02:07 PM
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I should watch more hockey and your the one that doesn't kno what pull a gainey means.

McDonough for Gomez?

Prospect for short term solution how did that work out
Aside from the whole 2009 debacle, Gainey was as conservative as they come. Never signed any big UFAs, never made any big trades. His 5 year plan is pretty similar to the one Bergy has.

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10-14-2013, 02:11 PM
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Realitically speaking, do you believe that Jets would do Gorges 1 on 1 vs Bogosian?
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10-14-2013, 02:12 PM
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Aside from the whole 2009 debacle, Gainey was as conservative as they come. Never signed any big UFAs, never made any big trades. His 5 year plan is pretty similar to the one Bergy has.
If you say so, the 2009 debacle DID happen so the rest of his crappy career as gm was overshadowed by and even crappier debacle. If Marc bergevin would pull some sort of big trades like you guys are asking we would end up calling this the 2013 debacle

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10-14-2013, 02:16 PM
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And that isn't a bad thing because we are technically still retooling it's been one year and you guys are ready to trade prospects and go for the cup when MB clearly said he was retooling and building through the draft that doesn't happen in 1 years sorry guys
Maybe you're right, but we finished 2nd in the East last year and we are most likely going to lose a big part of that 2013-14 core next summer.

I'll end it here by showing how I see the team right now (short term):

Offense: A-
Defense: C-
Goaltending: A

If MB can find a way to get it done...

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If you say so, the 2009 debacle DID happen so the rest of his crappy career as gm was overshadowed by and even crappier debacle. If Marc bergevin would pull some sort of big trades like you guys are asking we would end up calling this the 2013 debacle
Who was the GM again when the Stars won the cup? Oh yeah that dude with the crappy career as a GM. His decision making as a GM started declining once his daughter died, perfectly understandable that his head wasn't completely in it anymore.

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10-14-2013, 02:18 PM
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I'm sure you forgot the after your list...please tell me you're kidding about Galchenyuk..

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10-14-2013, 02:20 PM
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Maybe you're right, but we finished 2nd in the East last year and we are most likely going to lose a big part of that 2013-14 core next summer.

I'll end it here by showing how I see the team right now (short term):

Offense: A-
Defense: C-
Goaltending: A

If MB can find a way to get it done...
Worst case scenario we end up losing Gionta and Markov. That still leaves us with 25 reccuring players (given we resign everyone else).

Situation is not as dire as you amke it out to be and we're not cup contenders or a player away from cup contending either.

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10-14-2013, 02:25 PM
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Who was the GM again when the Stars won the cup? Oh yeah that dude with the crappy career as a GM. His decision making as a GM started declining once his daughter died, perfectly understandable that his head wasn't completely in it anymore.
Yes gainey good career in dallas but a crappy career in Montreal that's obviously what I was talking about, stop trying to hold on by a thread and just admit that trading valuable prospects for short tearm solutions is a bad idea

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10-14-2013, 02:27 PM
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Ship DD to Dallas for Robidas. Maybe DD can sparkle again with Cole??

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10-14-2013, 02:33 PM
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Yes gainey good career in dallas but a crappy career in Montreal that's obviously what I was talking about, stop trying to hold on by a thread and just admit that trading valuable prospects for short tearm solutions is a bad idea
First of all, I never said we should be looking at short term solutions. Now second of all, as bad as the Gomez trade was. It was not a short term solution at all, he had 5 years remaining on his contract when he got him. Obviously he didn't expect Gomez to decline this early but that's another story for another time. By the way, stop making it sound like short term solutions are always a bad idea. Was the Wizniewski deal a bad idea? No. Was the Dominic Moore deal a bad idea? Yes. Was the Joe Nieuwendyk deal a bad idea? No.

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off to the peg right now,

I will scout , and let you know, DD must go....find a way

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10-14-2013, 02:40 PM
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I'd try to ask Columbus if Nikitin or Savard are available.
That's what i said earlier in the thread. Nikitin is currently getting benched in favor of Prout and Savard, and their grooming Tim Erixon in the AHL. Nikitin is probably the odd man out, and i'd take him ahead of both Bouillon and Diaz because he's big and can play the PP.

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That's what i said earlier in the thread. Nikitin is currently getting benched in favor of Prout and Savard, and their grooming Tim Erixon in the AHL. Nikitin is probably the odd man out, and i'd take him ahead of both Bouillon and Diaz because he's big and can play the PP.
Problem with Nikitin is his speed, I don't think he'd have much success in Therrien's system.

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10-14-2013, 02:44 PM
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First of all, I never said we should be looking at short term solutions. Now second of all, as bad as the Gomez trade was. It was not a short term solution at all, he had 5 years remaining on his contract when he got him. Obviously he didn't expect Gomez to decline this early but that's another story for another time. By the way, stop making it sound like short term solutions are always a bad idea. Was the Wizniewski deal a bad idea? No. Was the Dominic Moore deal a bad idea? Yes. Was the Joe Nieuwendyk deal a bad idea? No.
The DOminic Moore deal wasn't bad at all. THe only bad part is that we didn,t kept him.

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Problem with Nikitin is his speed, I don't think he'd have much success in Therrien's system.
It's more important for the forwards to be quick. The D's not so much. He has a good first pass, he can move the puck better than probably half of our D, i think he'd be fine.

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It's more important for the forwards to be quick. The D's not so much. He has a good first pass, he can move the puck better than probably half of our D, i think he'd be fine.
Don't overrated Nikitin either, if he can't make the Blues or Blue Jackets defense, there is a reason too and it's not because he outperforms some rookies.

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Don't overrated Nikitin either, if he can't make the Blues or Blue Jackets defense, there is a reason too and it's not because he outperforms some rookies.
Nikitin had a good season when the Blue Jackets picked him up in 11-12. He definitely has some offensive skills. But the Blues and the Blue Jackets have a good defense.

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It's more important for the forwards to be quick. The D's not so much. He has a good first pass, he can move the puck better than probably half of our D, i think he'd be fine.
It could be worth the risk for a 5th round pick or something. I definitely would have prefered giving him a shot than Drewiske last year. For a guy of his size he doesn't really hit though (a bit under a hit per game). I'd obviously prefer him over Bouillon the 2nd PP unit but I don't think he'd be that much of an upgrade 5 on 5. That's without taking in consideration that our defense is already pretty slow. Diaz and Subban are our fastest defenseman. Gorges and Bouillon are not really fast and Markov has lost a step.


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Marc Bergevin, would be looking for a defender, reports Bruce Garrioch.
Ottawa Sun reporter mentioned this in his article that the the Habs might try to pick a defensemen since the loss of Douglas Murray would be longer than expected. Also, Russian Alexei Emelin is not ready to make a return to the game.
David Desharnais could be the bargaining chip to acquire that defender?

Article found in http://25stanley.com/

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DD wouldn't bring much....probably have to move Pleks to get a good d-man back. Move Galchenyuk to center.

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Don't overrated Nikitin either, if he can't make the Blues or Blue Jackets defense, there is a reason too and it's not because he outperforms some rookies.
I know, and i'm not overrating him, i think, by saying he's better than Diaz and Bouillon. They have a decent defence in Columbus, no big stars, but no really bad d's either. It's more a case of having too many #5 d-men, and guys exceeding their potential a bit quicker than expected. From i've read, Nikitin isn't playing badly, just that Savard and Prout are playing better.

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First of all, I never said we should be looking at short term solutions. Now second of all, as bad as the Gomez trade was. It was not a short term solution at all, he had 5 years remaining on his contract when he got him. Obviously he didn't expect Gomez to decline this early but that's another story for another time. By the way, stop making it sound like short term solutions are always a bad idea. Was the Wizniewski deal a bad idea? No. Was the Dominic Moore deal a bad idea? Yes. Was the Joe Nieuwendyk deal a bad idea? No.
Yes trading prospects for short term is bad during a rebuild especially if you give proven prospects like Eller for them or even galchenyuk my original post was never targeted to you it was to whoever said that trading plek Eller galchenyuk or anything along those borders for guys like bogo. how we even got to discussing if it would be good it beyond me. I cannot agree that trading any one of those so that the team can do something right now is a smart move. It simply isn't

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Aside from the whole 2009 debacle, Gainey was as conservative as they come. Never signed any big UFAs, never made any big trades. His 5 year plan is pretty similar to the one Bergy has.
but that's the thing with a 5 year plan, it doesn't happen over night so you are not going to go out and sign every free agent and make dozens of trades, that would be a one year plan

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I said in another thread MB should look Floridas way . They have some underperforming defenseman and a free agent crisis coming up. Florida might welcome a player like DD who they can control for several years.

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I said in another thread MB should look Floridas way . They have some underperforming defenseman and a free agent crisis coming up. Florida might welcome a player like DD who they can control for several years.
That's actually one of the nest assessment I've read, in terms of with whom we could deal DD...

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If you say so, the 2009 debacle DID happen so the rest of his crappy career as gm was overshadowed by and even crappier debacle. If Marc bergevin would pull some sort of big trades like you guys are asking we would end up calling this the 2013 debacle
Crappy career? Traded "nothing" for Kovalev, traded a UFA dman who didn't like snow for Gorges and Pacioretty, drafted Price and Subban ... . Gomez' poor play is on Gomez, not Gainey.

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