HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

JT Miller and Cam Talbot recalled

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
10-15-2013, 11:26 AM
  #76
94now
Registered User
 
94now's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Snow Belt, USA
Country: United Nations
Posts: 6,455
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowtron View Post
I'm loving Boyle on our 2nd line. LOVE!!!! IT!!!!!!

Stop living in last season, please! Boyle is currently our second best C. Next to Brass. He cannot finish, but shut down C is not expected to score. Up until Stepan gets going Boyle should play agaist opponent's top lines. The rest have negative +/-

94now is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:29 AM
  #77
SomE*
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,875
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowtron View Post
I'm loving Boyle on our 2nd line. LOVE!!!! IT!!!!!!

if you are unable to determine which line is the second line then you need help.. *hint: The 2nd line is the one with Stepan on it

SomE* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:30 AM
  #78
Gardner McKay
Moderator
Last Mango In Paris
 
Gardner McKay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Porch of Indecision.
Country: United States
Posts: 13,484
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyr2k2 View Post
Is it the coaching staff or management? Or both? The coaching staff isn't necessarily responsible for who's called up. They are responsible for assembling the best line combinations from the roster they're given. If Vigneault doesn't think Miller is better than, say, Pyatt, and truly belongs on the fourth line, then it's management's fault for calling him up to begin with.
While this is true, one would hope that a half decent management team would at least consult with the coach before making the call ups.

__________________
--But after the long calm, there are now beginnings of a stir. The reunion at hand may joy, it may bring fear. But let us embrace whatever it brings. For they are coming back. At last, the promise has been made. --
Gardner McKay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:38 AM
  #79
94now
Registered User
 
94now's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Snow Belt, USA
Country: United Nations
Posts: 6,455
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SomE View Post
if you are unable to determine which line is the second line then you need help.. *hint: The 2nd line is the one with Stepan on it
Wrong. Stepan centered 3rd line last game. You cannot give more time to players who allow goals, while not score. Stepan is not back to his form. Yet.

94now is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:38 AM
  #80
savebyrichter420
Registered User
 
savebyrichter420's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: PA
Country: United States
Posts: 419
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SomE View Post
if you are unable to determine which line is the second line then you need help.. *hint: The 2nd line is the one with Stepan on it
Does it really matter if he's on the 2nd or 3rd? He really doesn't belong on either one. That Stepan line is garbage anyway, especially defensively which leads to Boyle getting more ice time and posters calling for his head. Put him on the 4th and leave him there where he belongs along with PK time and taking key face offs and nobody would really complain. Unfortunately this is how the team is built and players are asked to fill roles they can not. The 2nd line is a bunch of passers with little to no finishing ability, its basically the Brassard line from earlier except that Stepan is more effective defensively but not nearly enough to carry those other two.

savebyrichter420 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:40 AM
  #81
Beacon
Sent to HF Minors
 
Beacon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Country: United States
Posts: 10,872
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by silverfish View Post
Miller isn't ready.

I'm going to say it in every thread regarding him.

I hope to God he proves me wrong, but I haven't seen it yet.
He IS ready. Miller is too good for the AHL. If you watched this faves, it would be obvious.

He needs to stickhandle a bit less and instead to make quicker decisions, but he can learn that in the NHL.

Beacon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:42 AM
  #82
nevesis
#30
 
nevesis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NY
Country: United States
Posts: 22,482
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beacon View Post
He IS ready. Miller is too good for the AHL. If you watched this faves, it would be obvious.

He needs to stickhandle a bit less and instead to make quicker decisions, but he can learn that in the NHL.
Exactly. He needs to learn here. He's ready. Give him proper minutes and deal with any growing pains.

nevesis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:42 AM
  #83
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 17,801
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyr2k2 View Post
Is it the coaching staff or management? Or both? The coaching staff isn't necessarily responsible for who's called up. They are responsible for assembling the best line combinations from the roster they're given. If Vigneault doesn't think Miller is better than, say, Pyatt, and truly belongs on the fourth line, then it's management's fault for calling him up to begin with.
Its also management's fault that they have no other choice, as soon as 2 injuries hit, to start bringing up guys that aren't ready for the NHL

Bleed Ranger Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:44 AM
  #84
Callagraves
Block shots
 
Callagraves's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 6,373
vCash: 500
Welp, It's my first time doing this. Guys, let me know if I can improve my technique.

FIRE AV.

Callagraves is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:48 AM
  #85
BarbaraAlphanse
Registered User
 
BarbaraAlphanse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 15,788
vCash: 500
...because playing Miller in a top 9 role makes too much sense, apparently.

BarbaraAlphanse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:49 AM
  #86
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 17,801
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nevesis View Post
I couldn't agree more with all of this. Playing him on the 4th line hurts my brain.

Boyle and Pyatt SUCK.
Thanks to the cluster**** of a roster handed to him, now complete with a couple of injuries, Vigneault is almost forced to ask himself "What can I do to limit the potential for a disaster?" when hes housing a lineup.

As much as you hate to admit it, Boyle and Pyatt are safer bets than Miller and Kreider. Any coach trying to keep his NHL job would likely agree (especially given Sather's persistent 'win now' mandate). A whining arm-chair fan likely wouldn't agree.

Bleed Ranger Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:50 AM
  #87
BarbaraAlphanse
Registered User
 
BarbaraAlphanse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 15,788
vCash: 500
While we're at it. Let's play our fastest player, one who has creativity and good puck control, with our two slowest and least inspiring puck possessors. Fire Tor... wait...

BarbaraAlphanse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:50 AM
  #88
Shadowtron
Registered User
 
Shadowtron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Earth
Posts: 5,544
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SomE View Post
if you are unable to determine which line is the second line then you need help.. *hint: The 2nd line is the one with Stepan on it
Nope...I get that the Stepan line SHOULD be the 2nd line. Makes perfect sense. However, I was going from left to right on RB's post (a retweet from practice), which had Boyle centering the 2nd line listed. And I am assuming of course they were listed in the order of the lines (i.e. 1, 2, 3...). If not...then boom, mea culpa.

Shadowtron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:51 AM
  #89
Miller Time NYR
Registered User
 
Miller Time NYR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Brooklyn
Country: United States
Posts: 5,816
vCash: 500
I guess Del Zottos flu shot also went wide....

@AGrossRecord: AV said Del Zotto could travel tomorrow to DC for game but "unless energy wise he feels better, he's not going to play."

Count on at least two penalties from falk tomorrow

Miller Time NYR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:52 AM
  #90
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
 
Tawnos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Charlotte, NC
Country: United States
Posts: 15,541
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowtron View Post
Nope...I get that the Stepan line SHOULD be the 2nd line. Makes perfect sense. However, I was going from left to right on RB's post (a retweet from practice), which had Boyle centering the 2nd line listed. And I am assuming of course they were listed in the order of the lines (i.e. 1, 2, 3...).
Why would you assume that? It's a tweet about practice...

Tawnos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:52 AM
  #91
OverTheCap
Registered User
 
OverTheCap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 10,318
vCash: 500
Boyle has been getting top six minutes at even strength this year, as has Pyatt. So Boyle's line technically could be the 2nd line, as sad as that sounds.

OverTheCap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:52 AM
  #92
BarbaraAlphanse
Registered User
 
BarbaraAlphanse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 15,788
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue View Post
Thanks to the cluster**** of a roster handed to him, now complete with a couple of injuries, Vigneault is almost forced to ask himself "What can I do to limit the potential for a disaster?" when hes housing a lineup.

As much as you hate to admit it, Boyle and Pyatt are safer bets than Miller and Kreider. Any coach trying to keep his NHL job would likely agree (especially given Sather's persistent 'win now' mandate). A whining arm-chair fan likely wouldn't agree.
1-4. They've really helped us. We've won despite them.

If AV can't see that the 2 rooks are safer bets than Boyle and Pyatt then he isn't as smart as he wants everyone to believe.

Doesn't take a whining arm chair fan to see we have 5 remaining 4th liners on this team. Doesn't take a whining arm chair fan to see that the new lines we have constructed are ****ING HORRENDOUS.

I HAVENT BEEN THIS ANGRY SINCE TORTORELLA!

BarbaraAlphanse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:52 AM
  #93
OverTheCap
Registered User
 
OverTheCap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 10,318
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SwedishBullet62 View Post
@AGrossRecord: AV said Del Zotto could travel tomorrow to DC for game but "unless energy wise he feels better, he's not going to play."

Count on at least two penalties from falk tomorrow
Energy wise? What happened to DZ, he ran out of batteries?

OverTheCap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:54 AM
  #94
BarbaraAlphanse
Registered User
 
BarbaraAlphanse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 15,788
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OverTheCap View Post
Boyle has been getting top six minutes at even strength this year, as has Pyatt. So Boyle's line technically could be the 2nd line, as sad as that sounds.
Just reading this made me sad.

BarbaraAlphanse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:55 AM
  #95
Gardner McKay
Moderator
Last Mango In Paris
 
Gardner McKay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Porch of Indecision.
Country: United States
Posts: 13,484
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue View Post
Thanks to the cluster**** of a roster handed to him, now complete with a couple of injuries, Vigneault is almost forced to ask himself "What can I do to limit the potential for a disaster?" when hes housing a lineup.

As much as you hate to admit it, Boyle and Pyatt are safer bets than Miller and Kreider. Any coach trying to keep his NHL job would likely agree (especially given Sather's persistent 'win now' mandate). A whining arm-chair fan likely wouldn't agree.
I agree with Boyle 100%. The guy gets terrible amounts of flak for no reason and is a better option right now. Pyatt on the other hand...

Gardner McKay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:55 AM
  #96
Ail
Now we wait.
 
Ail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Mysidia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 24,358
vCash: 500
Not reading in to any practice lines. We'll see how much ice he sees Wednesday.

Ail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:56 AM
  #97
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 17,801
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenjets36 View Post
1-4. They've really helped us. We've won despite them.

If AV can't see that the 2 rooks are safer bets than Boyle and Pyatt then he isn't as smart as he wants everyone to believe.

Doesn't take a whining arm chair fan to see we have 5 remaining 4th liners on this team. Doesn't take a whining arm chair fan to see that the new lines we have constructed are ****ING HORRENDOUS.

I HAVENT BEEN THIS ANGRY SINCE TORTORELLA!
So, for the record, 2 NHL coaches think Miller and Kreider should be in the AHL, and you think they should be up playing, replacing Boyle and Pyatt.

You are championing change just for the sake of change. These 2 NHL coaches, one of whom has won a Stanley Cup and one who has been to a final game 7, know more than you do.

Bleed Ranger Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:58 AM
  #98
Shadowtron
Registered User
 
Shadowtron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Earth
Posts: 5,544
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
Why would you assume that? It's a tweet about practice...
Hey man...I just started a new workout. I'm...I'm fatigued!

Shadowtron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 11:58 AM
  #99
94now
Registered User
 
94now's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Snow Belt, USA
Country: United Nations
Posts: 6,455
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OverTheCap View Post
Energy wise? What happened to DZ, he ran out of batteries?
Came down with cold, I suppose.

94now is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-15-2013, 12:01 PM
  #100
BarbaraAlphanse
Registered User
 
BarbaraAlphanse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 15,788
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardner McKay View Post
I agree with Boyle 100%. The guy gets terrible amounts of flak for no reason and is a better option right now. Pyatt on the other hand...
People need to understand roles on a team.

Boyle and Pyatt are being handed not just top 9 forward minutes, but top 6.

Top, mother****ing, 6 minutes to stone hands Boyle and molasses skates Pyatt.

Pyatt is useless. He just never makes mistakes for people to rag on him. He's neither here nor there. Sometimes, if i'm just looking at the game from my peripherals, I mistake him for a referee on the ice - that unnoticeable.

Boyle on the other hand, deserves a spot on this team. He however, does not deserve top 9 minutes. People love to get on him because even the softest of passes will ricochet off of his stick and down the ice 60 feet. He plays with energy, he has a pulse, he's not a stick handler or a goal scorer. Yet he gets top 6 minutes. He's a safe bet over Pouloit and Pyatt. He's not a safe bet over Kreider or Miller as a skill forward.

Remove Pouloit. Remove Pyatt. Call up Miller. Call up Kreider. Play them with Callahan.

Too logical.

BarbaraAlphanse is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:36 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2016 All Rights Reserved.