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10-15-2013, 04:10 PM
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This keeps up then slats will be on notice. This could become one of those disastrous seasons that Dolan would have no choice but get rid of slats. Of course, if slats can pull an isiah Thomas and make a move on one of his assistants then that would help too.
Based on what? There's been zero accountability for Sather for 13 years now.

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It would reflect poorly on Sather to fire AV so early on, but if he hired Laviolette, he would probably spin it as to avoid blame. "Laviolette was the guy we wanted all along, we were hoping he would be available when the season ended last year but he wasn't, we can't pass up the opportunity to hire him now that he's available blah blah blah"

Sather himself said that 6-5 games are more exciting to 1-0 games. Nevermind the fact that this team isn't capable of winning like that and that most games are no longer high scoring on a regular basis. Any coach is going to struggle with the unrealistic expectations that Sather has set.

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10-15-2013, 04:13 PM
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Laviolette makes perfect sense. It would be another easy, lazy and not terribly unexpected move.

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It would reflect poorly on Sather to fire AV so early on, but if he hired Laviolette, he would probably spin it as to avoid blame. "Laviolette was the guy we wanted all along, we were hoping he would be available when the season ended last year but he wasn't, we can't pass up the opportunity to hire him now that he's available blah blah blah"

Sather himself said that 6-5 games are more exciting to 1-0 games. Nevermind the fact that this team isn't capable of winning like that and that most games are no longer high scoring on a regular basis. Any coach is going to struggle with the unrealistic expectations that Sather has set.
I could see that spin. I could even see a few idiots actually buying it.

But all I really see if 5 years salary wasted on another fired coach, a subsequent Brad Richards buy-out, and more money being sucked out of the hockey budget because of stupid decisions.

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These players aren't producing because they're not very good offensive players. They're supposed to be depth players to add a little bit of scoring to the bottom lines but with the injuries to Hagelin and Nash they're playing more minutes than usual. Pyatt shouldn't even be on the team. I think the only reason he's on this team is because he's 6'4, 230. He brings nothing other than size, and he doesn't even use it in an intimidating/energizing/game changing way. Zucc doesn't shoot enough.

The Rangers need to get healthy and have their full team on the ice to get some consistency going. Eventually playing at home will help too, or at least in the Eastern time zone. I'd also prefer to leave players like Miller in the AHL for a bit longer. I don't think it's a good environment right now to be bringing young player into. Let the established vets get their act together and stabilize the team.

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This keeps up then slats will be on notice. This could become one of those disastrous seasons that Dolan would have no choice but get rid of slats. Of course, if slats can pull an isiah Thomas and make a move on one of his assistants then that would help too.
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Based on what? There's been zero accountability for Sather for 13 years now.
Agreeing with SBOB.

The season you're implying McD, has already happened. 2004, anyone? Slats kept right on trucking. Not to mention Jessiman, the shootout against the Flyers, and frankly last year where we regressed after making big changes to a team that went to the Conference Finals. There's already been plenty of incentive in the Sather department.

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Grim all-around.

I really was routing for Zucc. I hope he can finally put all this effort to showing up on the scoreboard.

He hasn't looked as bad or useless as some other players, but he does definitely need to start contributing.

I hope Del Zotto was put on trade notice. "Stop shooting wide and handling the puck like a grenade or we'll trade you!"

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Agreeing with SBOB.

The season you're implying McD, has already happened. 2004, anyone? Slats kept right on trucking. Not to mention Jessiman, the shootout against the Flyers, and frankly last year where we regressed after making big changes to a team that went to the Conference Finals. There's already been plenty of incentive in the Sather department.
You can go back to the Trottier fiasco. Dolan should hav told Sather right then and there, "If you want to fire this guy and take over, it's playoffs or busr for you."

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You can go back to the Trottier fiasco. Dolan should hav told Sather right then and there, "If you want to fire this guy and take over, it's playoffs or busr for you."
Ah the Trottier thing. I almost forgot that happened. Back to therapy for me

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Why does he expect Pyatt to be an offensive producer? Doesn't that show he doesn't know how to judge talent on the team? Did he expect Taylor Pyatt to score 20-30 goals this year?

One thing I don't get about new coaches is they say they don't know the players. Um haven't you been coaching in the NHL for years now? Don't you scout the team your about to play and their players? If you don't know who is on other teams how do you game plan to play them? I get that our new guy is from the West but Torts said the same thing and he only coached in the East till his latest move to Vancouver.

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Why does he expect Pyatt to be an offensive producer? Doesn't that show he doesn't know how to judge talent on the team? Did he expect Taylor Pyatt to score 20-30 goals this year?

One thing I don't get about new coaches is they say they don't know the players. Um haven't you been coaching in the NHL for years now? Don't you scout the team your about to play and their players? If you don't know who is on other teams how do you game plan to play them? I get that our new guy is from the West but Torts said the same thing and he only coached in the East till his latest move to Vancouver.
Pyatt also played for him for three seasons. I don't think he's expecting goal scoring. I think he wants to see a pulse and these guys to play with some urgency and heart.

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Pyatt also played for him for three seasons. I don't think he's expecting goal scoring. I think he wants to see a pulse and these guys to play with some urgency and heart.
He said produce not pulse.....he didn't mention a lack of effort only in the SJ game.

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10-15-2013, 05:23 PM
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That'd be a new low for Sather. 5 games into a 5 year deal.

Wouldn't put anything past him though. The coach looks lost and the player's stink - must be their issue.
Amazing that they gave this buffoon a 5 year deal. Talk about your classic knee jerk reaction by the Teflon GM!

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I could see that spin. I could even see a few idiots actually buying it.

But all I really see if 5 years salary wasted on another fired coach, a subsequent Brad Richards buy-out, and more money being sucked out of the hockey budget because of stupid decisions.
Stupid is as stupid does.

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He said produce not pulse.....he didn't mention a lack of effort only in the SJ game.
There's plenty of ways to produce outside of the scoresheet in hockey. Production means more than goals and assists.

I hope this sentiment makes it through your bubble

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Amazing that they gave this buffoon a 5 year deal. Talk about your classic knee jerk reaction by the Teflon GM!
I've been called a Renney apologist, a Torts apologist, and I'm sure ill be called an AV apologist before too long. I guess I have a soft spot for coaches who have **** to work with.

Sather gave him a 5 year deal probably because it was the only way a coach would sign on with a GM notorious for going through coaches like toilet paper

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There's plenty of ways to produce outside of the scoresheet in hockey. Production means more than goals and assists.

I hope this sentiment makes it through your bubble
Consider the context that he said it he is talking about offensive production. The article state all 3 players are a combined 0 point?

And what is that last part supposed to mean through my bubble?

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im putting everyone on notice. we stink because we have are void of offensive talent.

hello mr dolan and sather ???

those are the culprits. really.

oh and our recent drafting has been rather sketchy too.

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Possibly. Then Sather would look bad though and he doesn't want that.
...look...worse you mean?

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im putting everyone on notice. we stink because we have are void of offensive talent.

hello mr dolan and sather ???

those are the culprits. really.

oh and our recent drafting has been rather sketchy too.
In reality, yes the entire team sans Richards should be on notice. Hilariously enough even if they threaten and scapegoat more players they can only fill their roster spots with more plugs and kids either not ready, or lacking the skills necessary to do anything themselves.

The cycle continues. Life in bizarro world.

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I've been called a Renney apologist, a Torts apologist, and I'm sure ill be called an AV apologist before too long. I guess I have a soft spot for coaches who have **** to work with.

Sather gave him a 5 year deal probably because it was the only way a coach would sign on with a GM notorious for going through coaches like toilet paper
Isn't it amazing that all these years under Sather and we still have a dearth of offensive talent.

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It's cause Sather is misusing our assets and picks. By assets I mean players on ice and in system. Picks are picks.

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