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10-15-2013, 10:18 PM
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I've wanted to trade him for a while now. I'm not saying they should do it right now, with all the other issues going on.

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10-15-2013, 10:21 PM
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We have had a mediocre offense for years. Did you just get here?
And a Del Zotto trade fixes that?

The team's strength is in goal and on defense. Always has been. There's no reason to use the past two weeks as a barometer for the offense.

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Trading Del Zotto for forwards?

Stupid.

Staal is injury prone. You want to go into the playoffs with four d-men again, with the bottom pair playing 6 mins a game?

Stupid.
I know it is just opinion, but I can't really see how 1 concussion and a freak puck accident makes you 'injury prone'

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What if Staal bolts to Carolina?
What if Stralman gets a 5/20M contract over the summer?

Listen, I know where you're coming from. But I also know where he's coming from.

5 games isn't enough time to properly evaluate what we really have right now, especially when you factor in certain elements impacting our play to start the year.

Give it a few weeks. Let the players grasp the new system. Then analyze what moves can make us better.

Patience isn't something that comes easy for us Rangers fans, especially when you've had to witness the nonsense Sather's riddled us with. But shaking things up now can be the wrong move in 2 months when our team is playing up to their capabilities.

Well said.

And what gets me is that nobody seems to think that the schedule, the opponents, and the dudes playing goal for said opponents have anything to do with what's happened.

Nope. It's all Sathers fault and Del Zottos fault and Boyles fault. The 1-4 start has NOOOOOOOTHING to do with not only five of the better teams in the West, but five of the better home teams in the league.

Play those teams four times in six nights, and a 1-4 start with little to cheer for is very discernible.

The teams the Rangers have faced so far were a combined 81-29-10 at home a year ago.

This year, the same teams are a combined 12-2 at home.

You dont blow up a team after a 1-4 trip. If anybody wants to point their ansgt at somebody or something, point it towards the schedule makers and MSG for these BS renovations that cant be finished on time.

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10-15-2013, 10:33 PM
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I know it is just opinion, but I can't really see how 1 concussion and a freak puck accident makes you 'injury prone'
It was a pretty big concussion when you consider it forced him to sit out half a season.

The concussion alone makes him an injury risk on a blueline that would be very thin if Del Zotto were traded.

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10-15-2013, 10:34 PM
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I will bet my salary that he becomes amazing after we trade him.

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Well said.

And what gets me is that nobody seems to think that the schedule, the opponents, and the dudes playing goal for said opponents have anything to do with what's happened.

Nope. It's all Sathers fault and Del Zottos fault and Boyles fault. The 1-4 start has NOOOOOOOTHING to do with not only five of the better teams in the West, but five of the better home teams in the league.

Play those teams four times in six nights, and a 1-4 start with little to cheer for is very discernible.

The teams the Rangers have faced so far were a combined 81-29-10 at home a year ago.

This year, the same teams are a combined 12-2 at home.

You dont blow up a team after a 1-4 trip. If anybody wants to point their ansgt at somebody or something, point it towards the schedule makers and MSG for these BS renovations that cant be finished on time.
I am not advocating blowing the team up but this notion that it's only five games is ridiculous. This team was mediocre last year and has been putrid so far this year. After having the best record in the eastern conference two years ago, this team is on a downward spiral.

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Well said.

And what gets me is that nobody seems to think that the schedule, the opponents, and the dudes playing goal for said opponents have anything to do with what's happened.

Nope. It's all Sathers fault and Del Zottos fault and Boyles fault. The 1-4 start has NOOOOOOOTHING to do with not only five of the better teams in the West, but five of the better home teams in the league.

Play those teams four times in six nights, and a 1-4 start with little to cheer for is very discernible.

The teams the Rangers have faced so far were a combined 81-29-10 at home a year ago.

This year, the same teams are a combined 12-2 at home.

You dont blow up a team after a 1-4 trip. If anybody wants to point their ansgt at somebody or something, point it towards the schedule makers and MSG for these BS renovations that cant be finished on time.
FWIW, I completely agree with this.

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He's here to stay for now.

If (big IF) McLIrath pans out, Skeji is ready in two years, and Allen is a regular, and Calle Anderson develops into something, then we can talk about moving him.

He's not bad. Had two very good seasons, two so-so years. Wish he would hit the net more but he's not a shooter.

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10-15-2013, 11:01 PM
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He's here to stay for now.

If (big IF) McLIrath pans out, Skeji is ready in two years, and Allen is a regular, and Calle Anderson develops into something, then we can talk about moving him.

He's not bad. Had two very good seasons, two so-so years. Wish he would hit the net more but he's not a shooter.
Finally some sense. Del Zotto gets too much hate. He's treated like a finish product when he's 23 years old. He has all the athleticism to become an elite defenseman and there aren't many defenseman AT ANY AGE who can tally 30 or even 40+ points a season. Of course, he makes mistakes (many inexcusable) that severely diminish his value. However, you can coach away those mistakes, you can't coach a player to have more talent.

I see Girardi making a ton of mistakes but he's commonly regarded as a stud defensively by Rangers fans. Staal has looked awful this year and McDonagh has been underwhelming. MDZ is the type of player that might actually fit this system so I'm willing to give him a shot.

His value will not be lower than it is now, if these comments are to be believed. We have nothing to lose by giving him a chance but we have a lot to lose if we trade him and he blossoms like many players do in their mid-20s. Also, he's a left handed D-Man playing on the right side. That could be effecting his game negatively.

To reiterate. Yes, MDZ makes terrible mistakes that cost this team. But he's our best offensive defenseman and we're gearing up to be a more offensively focused team. The potential is still there.

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10-15-2013, 11:21 PM
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Two questions:

First, since you "sky is falling" types now have a thread where you can bash Del Zotto, can you stop doing it in 98% of the rest of the threads on these boards?

Second, just something to think on: Here are the 22 year old stat lines (or, if they had a better one at an earlier age, I went with that) of some of the better offensive d-men in the league. How many would you want kicked to the curb?

2-17-19
2-9-11
17-23-40
5-37-42
3-5-8
Not in the NHL
4-26-30
7-24-31
10-23-33
2-29-31

By the age of 22, Del Zotto had already put up TWO seasons better than most of these guys (9-28-37 and 10-31-41), all while drastically improving his defensive game, and getting yanked around with different partners (he's had some putrid ones) and being shoved to his off side.

The corresponding names to those 22 year old stat lines, by the way, are:

Brian Campbell
Zdeno Chara
Shea Weber
Alex Edler
Dan Boyle
Mark Streit
Keith Yandle
Ryan Suter
Kris Letang
Duncan Keith

I'm not saying MDZ is going to be as good or better than these guys. He might be, he might not be. The point is that you don't panic sell on a 23 year old defenseman who has already accomplished as much as he has. Aside from the elite of the elite, most defensemen need the time to develop. Moving DZ now only ensures that we had him during "development time" and some other team gets to benefit from his prime. It'd be Marc Savard all over again.

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10-15-2013, 11:22 PM
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What about moving him for a stay at home D?

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10-15-2013, 11:27 PM
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Two questions:

First, since you "sky is falling" types now have a thread where you can bash Del Zotto, can you stop doing it in 98% of the rest of the threads on these boards?

Second, just something to think on: Here are the 22 year old stat lines (or, if they had a better one at an earlier age, I went with that) of some of the better offensive d-men in the league. How many would you want kicked to the curb?

2-17-19
2-9-11
17-23-40
5-37-42
3-5-8
Not in the NHL
4-26-30
7-24-31
10-23-33
2-29-31

By the age of 22, Del Zotto had already put up TWO seasons better than most of these guys (9-28-37 and 10-31-41), all while drastically improving his defensive game, and getting yanked around with different partners (he's had some putrid ones) and being shoved to his off side.

The corresponding names to those 22 year old stat lines, by the way, are:

Brian Campbell
Zdeno Chara
Shea Weber
Alex Edler
Dan Boyle
Mark Streit
Keith Yandle
Ryan Suter
Kris Letang
Duncan Keith

I'm not saying MDZ is going to be as good or better than these guys. He might be, he might not be. The point is that you don't panic sell on a 23 year old defenseman who has already accomplished as much as he has. Aside from the elite of the elite, most defensemen need the time to develop. Moving DZ now only ensures that we had him during "development time" and some other team gets to benefit from his prime. It'd be Marc Savard all over again.
Thank you for some common sense in this thread. This is a great post and people should really pay attention to it.

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Guys, the whole argument is his crappy defense. You cannot cast that aside, as he is a defenseman.

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Two questions:

First, since you "sky is falling" types now have a thread where you can bash Del Zotto, can you stop doing it in 98% of the rest of the threads on these boards?

Second, just something to think on: Here are the 22 year old stat lines (or, if they had a better one at an earlier age, I went with that) of some of the better offensive d-men in the league. How many would you want kicked to the curb?

2-17-19
2-9-11
17-23-40
5-37-42
3-5-8
Not in the NHL
4-26-30
7-24-31
10-23-33
2-29-31

By the age of 22, Del Zotto had already put up TWO seasons better than most of these guys (9-28-37 and 10-31-41), all while drastically improving his defensive game, and getting yanked around with different partners (he's had some putrid ones) and being shoved to his off side.

The corresponding names to those 22 year old stat lines, by the way, are:

Brian Campbell
Zdeno Chara
Shea Weber
Alex Edler
Dan Boyle
Mark Streit
Keith Yandle
Ryan Suter
Kris Letang
Duncan Keith

I'm not saying MDZ is going to be as good or better than these guys. He might be, he might not be. The point is that you don't panic sell on a 23 year old defenseman who has already accomplished as much as he has. Aside from the elite of the elite, most defensemen need the time to develop. Moving DZ now only ensures that we had him during "development time" and some other team gets to benefit from his prime. It'd be Marc Savard all over again.
can someone please sticky this post, it is spectacular.

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Guys, the whole argument is his crappy defense. You cannot cast that aside, as he is a defenseman.
his defense is fine.

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Let me get this straight. If MDZ sucks so bad why would a team trade a top 6 forward for him?
Sather goes "Oh yeah we all think he sucks how about you hand over ROR and a draft pick for him"
and Patrick Roy is all like "Yeah we could use more crappy players on our team"
Some of the posters on this board like to make trades just for the sake of making trades. Sather may be a crappy GM, but he's better than 99% of the armchair GM's on this board.

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Let me get this straight. If MDZ sucks so bad why would a team trade a top 6 forward for him?
Sather goes "Oh yeah we all think he sucks how about you hand over ROR and a draft pick for him"
and Patrick Roy is all like "Yeah we could use more crappy players on our team"
Some of the posters on this board like to make trades just for the sake of making trades. Sather may be a crappy GM, but he's better than 99% of the armchair GM's on this board.
it is me that's the one percent

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Two questions:

First, since you "sky is falling" types now have a thread where you can bash Del Zotto, can you stop doing it in 98% of the rest of the threads on these boards?

Second, just something to think on: Here are the 22 year old stat lines (or, if they had a better one at an earlier age, I went with that) of some of the better offensive d-men in the league. How many would you want kicked to the curb?

2-17-19
2-9-11
17-23-40
5-37-42
3-5-8
Not in the NHL
4-26-30
7-24-31
10-23-33
2-29-31

By the age of 22, Del Zotto had already put up TWO seasons better than most of these guys (9-28-37 and 10-31-41), all while drastically improving his defensive game, and getting yanked around with different partners (he's had some putrid ones) and being shoved to his off side.

The corresponding names to those 22 year old stat lines, by the way, are:

Brian Campbell
Zdeno Chara
Shea Weber
Alex Edler
Dan Boyle
Mark Streit
Keith Yandle
Ryan Suter
Kris Letang
Duncan Keith

I'm not saying MDZ is going to be as good or better than these guys. He might be, he might not be. The point is that you don't panic sell on a 23 year old defenseman who has already accomplished as much as he has. Aside from the elite of the elite, most defensemen need the time to develop. Moving DZ now only ensures that we had him during "development time" and some other team gets to benefit from his prime. It'd be Marc Savard all over again.
Well done again.

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it is me that's the one percent
We're two in two hundred bro

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Wait a minute now

Is he an ex-stud or an ex-prospect?

Is an ex-stud prospect a prospect that used to be a stud prospect but now he's just a normal prospect?

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You seriously think his d is fine? DId you watch last year and when he was giving better passes to the other team than ours?

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He's too dumb and has little drive. Maybe a last line defenseman in the NHL. Nothing stud about him.

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do some of you realize that Del Zotto and Boyle are literally the lowest of worries for this team moving forward? You should be making threads about McDonagh/Girardi, Brassard, Nash's health, Stepan, and maybe Marc Staal if you wanted to ***** about a player that HAS to be better. The OP seriously must've created this thread just to complain. Because Del Zotto has literally been one of the lowest worries on this team.

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