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10-17-2013, 08:16 AM
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To PHI:
Yakupov
Gunnarsson

To EDM:
Schenn Bros.
Ashton

To Tor:
Coburn
*Rights to Teemu Hartikainen

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10-17-2013, 08:31 AM
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No thanks, this is terrible for Philly. Couts, both Schenns for Yak.
It's a joke of a proposal.

The Flyers don't want to fix your Russian problem for you. Eberle is the only Oilers player they should have interest in.

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10-17-2013, 08:53 AM
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Take Toronto out of this.

Yak to Philly for the Schenns is tempting.
I find it funny that Luke Schenn is "tempting" now, but when deals were discussed a few years ago when he was on the Leafs, he absolutely sucked and was a bust.

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10-17-2013, 09:11 AM
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I find it funny that Luke Schenn is "tempting" now, but when deals were discussed a few years ago when he was on the Leafs, he absolutely sucked and was a bust.
this is 2013 and not 2010

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10-17-2013, 09:38 AM
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this is 2013 and not 2010
He's no different now then he was then with the exception of the team he plays for. He actually still had hype on the upside then. He has stagnated and is what he is now. A #3/4 at best with some warts. At least then he was a #2/3 projected shutdown guy.

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10-17-2013, 09:48 AM
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He's no different now then he was then with the exception of the team he plays for. He actually still had hype on the upside then. He has stagnated and is what he is now. A #3/4 at best with some warts. At least then he was a #2/3 projected shutdown guy.
This is getting old, Leafs fans. Schenn is much better since he came over here.

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10-17-2013, 09:58 AM
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This is getting old, Leafs fans. Schenn is much better since he came over here.
He really is not. He is only perceived to be better because he isn't a Leaf anymore. Any thoughts to the contrary is paramount to sticking your head in the sand. He wasn't horrible then, and he isn't horrible now. Only the perception has changed because HF posters just enjoy bashing Leafs.

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10-17-2013, 10:04 AM
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He really is not. He is only perceived to be better because he isn't a Leaf anymore. Any thoughts to the contrary is paramount to sticking your head in the sand. He wasn't horrible then, and he isn't horrible now. Only the perception has changed because HF posters just enjoy bashing Leafs.
Actually your wrong. If anything its the opposite where Leaf fans are insisting we got the bad Luke Schenn and they ripped us off. When so far with the Flyers Schenn has been solid. With the Leafs he had 1 good season followed up by a horrible season (hence the good schenn bad schenn). BTW this initial trade proposal is absolutely pathetic

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10-17-2013, 10:21 AM
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I know you said in advance how you may have the lines wrong and all but I had to laugh at Bodie on our 2nd line
I thought it was even funnier that he was showing the line ups so that we could see what they might be, trades Philly's third line center and then just leaves it blank.

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10-17-2013, 10:22 AM
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[QUOTE=sd1976;72753905]He really is not. He is only perceived to be better because he isn't a Leaf anymore. Any thoughts to the contrary is paramount to sticking your head in the sand. He wasn't horrible then, and he isn't horrible now. Only the perception has changed because HF posters just enjoy bashing Leafs.[/QUOTE]

lol...yeah....and HF posters don't bash on the Flyers right???

The Flyer fans will say it again...L Schenn has been good since joining Philly. We have no issue bashing our own if it is warranted...look at the Mez and Coburn bashing going on. For example, Philly fans would rather Schenn over Coburn based on seeing them play the last year. But I bet most HF posters of other teams would rather Coburn over Schenn.

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10-17-2013, 10:28 AM
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you want the Flyers to give up the Schenns and Couturier for Yakopov?

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10-17-2013, 10:29 AM
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He's no different now then he was then with the exception of the team he plays for. He actually still had hype on the upside then. He has stagnated and is what he is now. A #3/4 at best with some warts. At least then he was a #2/3 projected shutdown guy.
He's 23 years old. Do you remember Chara at that age? I'm not saying Schenn will have Chara's career but saying a 23 year old has stagnated and is what he is now, is ridiculous. It's like telling a kid who has trouble in grade 9 math that he'll never be able to turn things around and go to college

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10-17-2013, 10:32 AM
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Leafs get Couturier for Reimer?

Flyers give up both Schenns and Couturier for Yakupov?

Leafs giving up way too little and Flyers giving up too much.
Toronto has no need for Couturier

We have Bozak / Kadri / Bolland / McClement down the middle. No need to acquire another C unless he is a top line offensive stud, which SC definitely is not.

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10-17-2013, 10:33 AM
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He really is not. He is only perceived to be better because he isn't a Leaf anymore. Any thoughts to the contrary is paramount to sticking your head in the sand. He wasn't horrible then, and he isn't horrible now. Only the perception has changed because HF posters just enjoy bashing Leafs.
He played 22 minutes a game last season and let Flyers defensemen in +/-.

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10-17-2013, 10:42 AM
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This is terrible for the Flyers.

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10-17-2013, 10:44 AM
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He's 23 years old. Do you remember Chara at that age? I'm not saying Schenn will have Chara's career but saying a 23 year old has stagnated and is what he is now, is ridiculous. It's like telling a kid who has trouble in grade 9 math that he'll never be able to turn things around and go to college
Thank you for the honest opinion...it is refreshing. People forget that at age 23, Daniel Sedin was coming off 3 straight 30 point seasons and would "break-out" to a 54 point season. Too many times fans think that if they don't breakout by 20-23 then they are done. And we all know it is usually longer for D-men.

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10-17-2013, 11:10 AM
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He played 22 minutes a game last season and let Flyers defensemen in +/-.
TOI and +/-... Really?

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10-17-2013, 11:11 AM
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Thank you for the honest opinion...it is refreshing. People forget that at age 23, Daniel Sedin was coming off 3 straight 30 point seasons and would "break-out" to a 54 point season. Too many times fans think that if they don't breakout by 20-23 then they are done. And we all know it is usually longer for D-men.
So you would do the JVR for Schenn trade all over again? Cool, so would I.

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er...Edmonton turns this down instantly.

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No thanks, this is terrible for Philly. Couts, both Schenns for Yak.
Terrible for Edmonton too. Not necessarily in terms of value, but in terms of need. If we get a new goalie, he needs to be better than Dubnyk. Reimer is better than slumping Dubnyk, but its a toss up as to who is better when Dubs comes out of his slump. We don't need the Schenn's either. Luke is more of what we already have, and Braydon would be playing 4th line, considering Gordon is playing amazing. As weird as it sounds, we don't need these particular players. If Yakupov is traded, we need a clear cut number one goalie, or a clear cut top pairing d-man, not a bunch of good pieces that are reflective of what we already have.

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10-17-2013, 11:34 AM
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Terrible for Edmonton too. Not necessarily in terms of value, but in terms of need. If we get a new goalie, he needs to be better than Dubnyk. Reimer is better than slumping Dubnyk, but its a toss up as to who is better when Dubs comes out of his slump. We don't need the Schenn's either. Luke is more of what we already have, and Braydon would be playing 4th line, considering Gordon is playing amazing. As weird as it sounds, we don't need these particular players. If Yakupov is traded, we need a clear cut number one goalie, or a clear cut top pairing d-man, not a bunch of good pieces that are reflective of what we already have.
Yah that 3rd team needs to be someone other than TOR.
Value wise it is good for EDM... PHI gets hosed big time.

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TOI and +/-... Really?
You can dig into the advanced stats if you want. The results will be the same.

http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/8/6/easte...eam-production

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So you would do the JVR for Schenn trade all over again? Cool, so would I.
At the time, no I did not want that trade as I wanted a more offensive d-man. To me, with Coburn and Grossmann already here, it made sense to add an offensive one.

Funny how JVR for Schenn was preached as a fair deal when JVR was a 45 points guy. Then JVR breaks out to a 57 point pace and he is a God and Schenn now has no value even though Schenn too had a better year last year than the previous year. LOL.

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At the time, no I did not want that trade as I wanted a more offensive d-man. To me, with Coburn and Grossmann already here, it made sense to add an offensive one.

Funny how JVR for Schenn was preached as a fair deal when JVR was a 45 points guy. Then JVR breaks out to a 57 point pace and he is a God and Schenn now has no value even though Schenn too had a better year last year than the previous year. LOL.
I love the revisionist history... Well done sir, well done.

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10-17-2013, 12:44 PM
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Hey folks. Edm fan here. Hopefully it won't be too obvious.

Anyway, some thoughts into this three way trade.

1. no interdivision trading
2. Meets each teams need
3. Pieces may need to be added, this is merely the center pieces.
4. I may have the lines and/or d pairings wrong on tor and phi. I tried though! HA!

To Edmonton:
Braydon Schenn (edm needs a third line C and someone to push gags on the second line)
Luke Schenn (Stay at home d to anchor our puck movers)
James Reimer (um... duh)

To Philidelphia:
Nail Yakapov (elite finisher in the making)

To Toronto:
Sean Couturier (second line center with potential top line)



Edm
Hall - RNH - Hemsky
Perron - Gagner - Eberle
Smyth - Schenn - Jonesu
etc

Smid Petry
Schenn Schultz
Belov Ferrence

Reimer
Dubnyk

Phi
Hartnell Giroux Voracek
Yakapov Lecal Simmonds
Read Talbot
etc

Coburn Steit
Grossmann Mez
Gust Timm

Toronto
JVR Kadri Kessel
Lupul Couturier Bodie
etc

Phaneuf Franson
Rielly Ranger
Fraser Gunnarsson
Wait, Wait lol... The Flyers trade BOTH Schenn's, and Couturier for a player who's lower than the pavement right now, and Russian? BwaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaa. The worst trade offer I seen.

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