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10-16-2013, 04:38 PM
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Agree to disagree.

I don't think this is the year with the Olympics to find out of Cam can handle the workload...if the team didn't think he was up to the challenge 2 weeks ago, what's changed?
What's changed is that the veteran showed he can't do the job. Now the younger guy gets his shot.

Or, maybe the team only waived Biron because they were comfortable that Talbot could do the job? If they aren't comfortable with Talbot, why would they dump Biron and then stand pat? Seems like they'd bring in someone else if they didn't have faith in Talbot.

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10-16-2013, 05:02 PM
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What's changed is that the veteran showed he can't do the job. Now the younger guy gets his shot.

Or, maybe the team only waived Biron because they were comfortable that Talbot could do the job? If they aren't comfortable with Talbot, why would they dump Biron and then stand pat? Seems like they'd bring in someone else if they didn't have faith in Talbot.
Those are questions only Sather and AV can answer, given Sather's dsyfunction in having a coherent strategy around personnel, this just feels like a knee jerk reaction, it was obvious they weren't confortable with Biron when they brought in Hedberg, so why not cut Biron loose early and keep Cam.

I don't know enough about Talbot to say this is good or bad nor am I sold on Bryz as a solution, just wondering why this move wasn't made to start the season.

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10-16-2013, 05:06 PM
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talbot has impressed the rangers brass from what ive read. hes been pretty solid so far in hartford. lets not act like hes not capable.

he pretty much outplayed biron in camp and withnhis good solid start to the season hes earned this.

ive been shouting for us to play the kids and give them a shot. here goes.

and bottom line, hell get what 10 starts ?

nothing to see here people.

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10-16-2013, 05:07 PM
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Those are questions only Sather and AV can answer, given Sather's dsyfunction in having a coherent strategy around personnel, this just feels like a knee jerk reaction, it was obvious they weren't confortable with Biron when they brought in Hedberg, so why not cut Biron loose early and keep Cam.
I don't know enough about Talbot to say this is good or bad nor am I sold on Bryz as a solution, just wondering why this move wasn't made to start the season.
The same reason that Pyatt made the team over Hrivik. One player has proven in the past to be an NHL caliber player and the other hasn't. I really think we're going to be seeing a lot of this kind of thing over the next month or two.

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10-16-2013, 05:09 PM
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The same reason that Pyatt made the team over Hrivik. One player has proven in the past to be an NHL caliber player and the other hasn't. I really think we're going to be seeing a lot of this kind of thing over the next month or two.
Good. This team needs a bit of an overhaul.

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10-16-2013, 05:15 PM
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The same reason that Pyatt made the team over Hrivik. One player has proven in the past to be an NHL caliber player and the other hasn't. I really think we're going to be seeing a lot of this kind of thing over the next month or two.
This is my thinking as well.

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10-16-2013, 05:56 PM
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Agree to disagree.

I don't think this is the year with the Olympics to find out of Cam can handle the workload...if the team didn't think he was up to the challenge 2 weeks ago, what's changed?
There's plenty of time before the schedule gets crazy because of the Olympics to find out if Talbot is up to the task--probably be cheaper (from a trade standpoint) anyway to wait it out. Biron was on thin ice from the getgo--Hedberg must have looked horrible in practice. Having Talbot getting a couple of starts is not going to change a lot. And he might even work out.

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10-16-2013, 06:21 PM
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Agree to disagree.

I don't think this is the year with the Olympics to find out of Cam can handle the workload...if the team didn't think he was up to the challenge 2 weeks ago, what's changed?
And Torts didn't think Marty SHOULD handle a workload last year leading to Hank starting 43/48 games

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10-16-2013, 06:32 PM
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And Torts didn't think Marty SHOULD handle a workload last year leading to Hank starting 43/48 games
Lundqvist starting 43 games had nothing to do with Biron--Tortorella went with his best chance to win games during a short season.

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10-17-2013, 07:23 AM
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General manager Glen Sather told The Post the Rangers have no interest in bought-out former Flyers goaltender Ilya Bryzgalov as a back-up to Henrik Lundqvist.

Bryzgalov, whose tryout with ECHL Las Vegas has ended, is waiting for a call from an NHL club. It won’t be coming from the Blueshirts.

“No,” Sather said, scoffing at the notion while putting his tongue in his cheek. “We have enough problems.
http://nypost.com/2013/10/17/derek-s...t-in-the-head/

Glad to see management realizes the team has problems.

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10-17-2013, 07:28 AM
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Glad to see management realizes the team has problems.
Especially when the majority of them are of their own doing. Any hope Glen looks in the mirror and realizes he's one of them? Nah, didn't think so! haha

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10-17-2013, 12:39 PM
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There's plenty of time before the schedule gets crazy because of the Olympics to find out if Talbot is up to the task--probably be cheaper (from a trade standpoint) anyway to wait it out. Biron was on thin ice from the getgo--Hedberg must have looked horrible in practice. Having Talbot getting a couple of starts is not going to change a lot. And he might even work out.
So let me reiterate what I've said a couple of times already, this is not about Talbot and if he can/can't do the job not...we all knew that Biron was, as you say "on thin ice" based on Hedberg being in camp...

the question is why was this move not made sooner, be it Talbot or an experienced guy.

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10-17-2013, 01:10 PM
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So let me reiterate what I've said a couple of times already, this is not about Talbot and if he can/can't do the job not...we all knew that Biron was, as you say "on thin ice" based on Hedberg being in camp...

the question is why was this move not made sooner, be it Talbot or an experienced guy.
I already answered that question further up the page.

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10-17-2013, 01:52 PM
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talbot has impressed the rangers brass from what ive read. hes been pretty solid so far in hartford. lets not act like hes not capable.

he pretty much outplayed biron in camp and withnhis good solid start to the season hes earned this.

ive been shouting for us to play the kids and give them a shot. here goes.

and bottom line, hell get what 10 starts ?

nothing to see here people.
AV wanted to get 20 starts out of his backup. He doesn't want Lundqvist playing 70 games.

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10-17-2013, 08:12 PM
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So let me reiterate what I've said a couple of times already, this is not about Talbot and if he can/can't do the job not...we all knew that Biron was, as you say "on thin ice" based on Hedberg being in camp...

the question is why was this move not made sooner, be it Talbot or an experienced guy.
Because, it will cost an asset to get a backup: probably the price was too high. And I'm sure the hope was the problem would go away--they were hoping that Biron would regain his touch.

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10-17-2013, 08:20 PM
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AV wanted to get 20 starts out of his backup. He doesn't want Lundqvist playing 70 games.
Yep. He's said they've done research on how many games a Cup winning goalie usually plays and what they concluded was 60 regular season games is the magic number to keep a goalie fresh for the playoffs. That means Talbot's getting in that 20 range.

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10-17-2013, 08:44 PM
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The team is in transition and, obviously, we are going to want to conserve as many points as possible with Henrik while we figure the team out.

So, now that Henrik appears to be back in form, we can get some results while trying to figure out that this team's identity is under AV.

What is interesting to me is that the game vs. Washington, I think we played Tortorella's style with the addition of a more proactive power play. I think John was not an idiot as so many people suggest, he had a system that fit our group of guys, and what ultimately condemned us vs Boston and in the regular season was

A) the power play and

B) predictability



You will notice that over the last couple of games, defensemen have not been jumping into the plays as much, have not been pinching as much, and our whole team has been more cynical on breakouts after so many giveaways in preseason and early in the year. It is not a coincidence that players like Callahan and Girardi an Stralman have looked better in the past 2 games.

I have been somewhat nebulous on the Tortorella firing. I have personal connections with the guy, but I thought that perhaps, the only thing that could bring the Rangers to the next level was a coaching change. But that isn't to suggest that the Vancouver system is the answer. I think, perhaps a hybrid of cynical defense with a more proactive power play and am emphasis towards good skating and goal line presence might be the perfect concoction for this team.

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10-17-2013, 09:14 PM
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Anyone who thought a purely offensive system would work here was mistaken.

Its not like Torts came in as some known defensive coach.. he adjusted to his players.

Maybe it became too much of an extreme... but the team should play to its strengths, the goalie and the good back 6.

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Some good points by Fitzy and Fire Sather.

The system that Torts implemented should not be abandoned entirely as many fans have clamored for. Rather, it needs to improved upon. The defensive foundation is there. If we can build upon the strong defensive play and PK that has been implemented in the past few years by supplementing it with a solid PP and improved transition game, the Rangers will be a more well-rounded team.

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Some good points by Fitzy and Fire Sather.

The system that Torts implemented should not be abandoned entirely as many fans have clamored for. Rather, it needs to improved upon. The defensive foundation is there. If we can build upon the strong defensive play and PK that has been implemented in the past few years by supplementing it with a solid PP and improved transition game, the Rangers will be a more well-rounded team.
The bolded will, in turn, lead to offensive results too. It's not like we can't have an offensive team. It's more like what AV said in the beginning after his hiring... "We started at Vancouver and became the best defensive team, and then became an offensive powerhouse"...

He's going for the same thing. Torts system obviously has some serious strengths as you mentioned. (work ethic, individual roles with a team effort, solid/responsible defensive play) , but also has some serious downfalls (PP abysmal, lots of grinding goal line play, no transition game, predictability). If we work through those downfalls (especially the transition game), speed of the game should slowly increase, which will lead to a better transition game, and help us find the offense...

We'll need some roster moves (mostly core AHL players, probably one or two solid FA's/trades) to solidify a structure, but we're on the way there. it'll just be a bumpy road

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10-18-2013, 01:47 PM
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Anyone who thought a purely offensive system would work here was mistaken.
Of course, anyone who thought the AV preached a purely offensive system in Vancouver was also mistaken.

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Is Jason Missiaen our best solution as a backup?

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Is Jason Missiaen our best solution as a backup?
No he is on Matt Zaba/Chris Holt/Mia Wiikman duty.

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What's changed is that the veteran showed he can't do the job. Now the younger guy gets his shot.

Or, maybe the team only waived Biron because they were comfortable that Talbot could do the job? If they aren't comfortable with Talbot, why would they dump Biron and then stand pat? Seems like they'd bring in someone else if they didn't have faith in Talbot.
It's amazing what happens when goalie pads are made smaller....we have two bad goaltenders now....

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What's changed is that the veteran showed he can't do the job. Now the younger guy gets his shot.

Or, maybe the team only waived Biron because they were comfortable that Talbot could do the job? If they aren't comfortable with Talbot, why would they dump Biron and then stand pat? Seems like they'd bring in someone else if they didn't have faith in Talbot.
Is it just me, or is it clear now that Biron was probably hinting towards retirement in the offseason? My guess is that he wanted out but the team convinced him to give it one more shot. Hedberg was brought in to camp see if he could be an adequate Biron replacement, didn't show enough, and Biron reluctantly agreed to stick around. A couple of early shellings made him change his mind real quick.

This team definitely does NOT have confidence in Cam Talbot. If they did, Biron would have been gone in the off-season and Hedberg wouldn't have been in the conversation at all.

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