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View Poll Results: Who is the ODD MAN OUT?
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10-18-2013, 08:36 AM
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I've been advocating trading Del Zotto for a very long time.

Right now, if we're transitioning to a place where Moore and McDonagh see most of our PP time, this would be the time before his value drops because he isn't accumulating points from being force-fed power play time as he has in the past.
If MDZ was traded for Buff, he is the new PP point man. solves that problem, although Moore looked good against Washington.

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10-18-2013, 08:38 AM
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with cally down, theres even more incentive now to add some pieces. no nash, cally or hags makes this a very difficult team to watch.

delzaster is definitely in play- hes a lefty. big buf makes sense as a big r handed shot- dude has a cannon. he def. makes the pp better and gives us someone who will demand respect from the point. his offensive numbers are hard to ignore. plus hes got good size as well.

having his shot up top on the pp would change the look of this team. a working, pp goes along way to making us more dangerous.

if we can make the numbers work- hes a 5/26 guy, i like this potential swap. i agree, this would probably be the end to the girardi era as well.

as i have been saying, del zotto still has value. he s the perfect "change of scenery" guy. if we wait too long, his value will drop.

big buf addresses a host of needs for us now and in the future.
Agreed.

I just hope that if they don't see Girardi as being here long-term, they move him for some sort of return.

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10-18-2013, 08:39 AM
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Is there a huge drop off from Pyatt to Powe? I'm not seeing much of one.
No, theres not. And thats just it. This "depth" everyone was talking about are either borderline NHL players that contribute next to nothing, or young players with some upside that simply aren't NHL ready. Thats not depth - its a bunch of names.

2-3 injuries has decimated the team. Hell, even when 100% healthy, this roster has major issues in the middle of the lineup.

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getting Buff would finally provide the PP point shot we have lacked for years and years.

Would love to get Kane as well, but that's a pipe dream.

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10-18-2013, 08:41 AM
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If MDZ was traded for Buff, he is the new PP point man. solves that problem, although Moore looked good against Washington.
When the whole team is firing away on the power play, it opens up other possibilities. Too long we were waiting for the killer pass so the PK was able to cheat in the lanes, not expecting someone to just shoot and hunt for rebounds. Now that we are shooting, defenders will have to commit more to the shooting lanes, which in turn should open up better passing opportunities.

Frequently something unexpected is what helps a power play. Cally's backhand passes, ect. Throws a wrench in the equation.

If NYR want Kane, they would have to offer McDonagh or Stepan.

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10-18-2013, 08:42 AM
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If MDZ was traded for Buff, he is the new PP point man. solves that problem, although Moore looked good against Washington.
if buf comes here, he owns the pp point.

hes got a 100+ shot and its heavy. he keeps it low and on net. think lots of deflections and juicy rebounds. and he can bring it off the pass big time.

hes a shooter and we need that.

really, hes just the polar opposite of delzaster in every way.

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When the whole team is firing away on the power play, it opens up other possibilities. Too long we were waiting for the killer pass so the PK was able to cheat in the lanes, not expecting someone to just shoot and hunt for rebounds. Now that we are shooting, defenders will have to commit more to the lanes, which in turn should open up better passing opportunities.

Frequently something unexpected is what helps a power play. Cally's backhand passes, ect. Throws a wrench in the equation.

If NYR want Kane, they would have to offer McDonagh or Stepan.
Agreed. Buff would add a whole other dimension to the PP. Unique player and he would look playing with Staal as his partner.

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if buf comes here, he owns the pp point.

hes got a 100+ shot and its heavy. he keeps it low and on net. think lots of deflections and juicy rebounds. and he can bring it off the pass big time.

hes a shooter and we need that.

really, hes just the polar opposite of delzaster in every way.
Yep. His only issue is that he is a bit slow and sloppy in his own end.

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I brought this up in the WPG forum and they want Staal. Just a FYI

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if buf comes here, he owns the pp point.

hes got a 100+ shot and its heavy. he keeps it low and on net. think lots of deflections and juicy rebounds. and he can bring it off the pass big time.

hes a shooter and we need that.

really, hes just the polar opposite of delzaster in every way.
Del Zotto is more like a poor mans Enstrom.

A lot of power plays match the big gun with a more mobile passer of the puck. Thing is, MDZ isn't anything really special, and doesn't do much that Stralman or Moore couldn't do.

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I brought this up in the WPG forum and they want Staal. Just a FYI
They can want whomever, but I'd bet ya dollars to donuts that it would be Del Zotto going the other way.

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They can want whomever, but I'd bet ya dollars to donuts that it would be Del Zotto going the other way.
It makes sense for the Rangers to move MDZ. Although, if they know Staal won't re-sign here...

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I was wrong about Zucc. He will be back in Europe soon. When Hagelin comes back Zucc is just not good enough for top 6. Nobody in the NHL will claim him either

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Del Zotto is more like a poor mans Enstrom.

A lot of power plays match the big gun with a more mobile passer of the puck. Thing is, MDZ isn't anything really special, and doesn't do much that Stralman or Moore couldn't do.
and see thats what ive been saying all along. mdz just doesnt do enough of what hes supposed to do... if you get my drift.

hes an "offensive guy" who cant skate, cant really shoot and doesnt play the pp well. his bone head plays seem to negate his good work more often than not.

hes a good passer and an adequate defender. problem is, stralzie and moore both do more with their minutes.

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It makes sense for the Rangers to move MDZ. Although, if they know Staal won't re-sign here...
I think it'd be a red flag for Winnipeg if Staal came up in conversation. Del Zotto is more valuable than people on this board give him credit for. He was absolutely fantastic when Staal was out and he was able to play on his natural side, but it's clear he doesn't have a spot here.

Byfuglien is a very good, and unique player. I'd like to add him at the right price, but trading Staal for him, or Girardi for him, makes this team weaker, IMO. The old dig one hole to fill another bit. He's great offensively, brings a physical presence, but he's an average defender and has issues with consistency.

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I think it'd be a red flag for Winnipeg if Staal came up in conversation. Del Zotto is more valuable than people on this board give him credit for. He was absolutely fantastic when Staal was out and he was able to play on his natural side, but it's clear he doesn't have a spot here.

Byfuglien is a very good, and unique player. I'd like to add him at the right price, but trading Staal for him, or Girardi for him, makes this team weaker, IMO. The old dig one hole to fill another bit. He's great offensively, brings a physical presence, but he's an average defender and has issues with consistency.
I agree with you. Just continuing the conversation

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We need a smart trade right now. A scorer and or a physical presence.

Buff is a good move.

Lets get Krieder, Miller, and Kristo in full time

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We need a smart trade right now. A scorer and or a physical presence.

Buff is a good move.

Lets get Krieder, Miller, and Kristo in full time
They need another offensively creative player and a true offensive defenseman. Buff fills one of those holes.

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Efforting more detail but this makes a lot of sense. Issue will be matching payroll.
Bob, any idea if this is just them doing some homework for the future or something that could happen soon?

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Only players on the Jets id like would be Stuart, Scheifele, Trouba. Enstrom, Ladd and Kane.. I doubt those would be available..

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Kristo is not remotely close to ready for the NHL. He'll need at least the full year in the AHL.

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Kristo is not remotely close to ready for the NHL. He'll need at least the full year in the AHL.
Thank you.

I am pretty sick of people continually saying "I'd also prefer Kristo over Pyatt" with zero evidence to back it up other than pining for some sort of change, no matter how stupid.

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What players could the NYR realistically move?

Imo ... MDZ, Girardi, Stralman...

Boyle, Poilout, Pyatt...

Maybe package a prospect for a more established player...

I like Hagelin but he can't finish. ..

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Who are good trading partners for the NYR?

Who has offensive talent to spare and need defense?

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Who are good trading partners for the NYR?

Who has offensive talent to spare and need defense?
WPG needs LD
Ottawa
Anaheim
Edmonton
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Minnesota
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