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10-18-2013, 11:16 AM
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Zucc doesnt look as "hungry" or engaged..when hes playing at hs best, hes going in and getting pucks..

ive seen a lot of coasting from him...

he also looks even easier to knock off the puck than usual...i wonder if he lost weight trying to pick up some speed.

in the end, as talented as the kid is...and he is very talented...he's just too small to play in the NHL long term. unless he's putting up points like MSL, hes not gonna cut it.

its a shame too, we really could use that kind of an offensive skill set.

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10-18-2013, 11:16 AM
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people are acting like the team is on the edge of the cliff, about to become a joke in the league. They are not.
I agree, I think they will turn into a decent team, unfortunately even if they do become a decent team that is all they are or will be.

Even completely healthy and playing well they are still not a contender.

What is the point? If it's to have a decent sort of mediocre team, I am with the way they are going about things. If the point is to seriously contend I see no path towards it.

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10-18-2013, 11:20 AM
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can the title be changed to IF Zuke was waived

why would he anyways the teams beat up

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10-18-2013, 11:23 AM
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Zucc doesnt look as "hungry" or engaged..when hes playing at hs best, hes going in and getting pucks..

ive seen a lot of coasting from him...

he also looks even easier to knock off the puck than usual...i wonder if he lost weight trying to pick up some speed.

in the end, as talented as the kid is...and he is very talented...he's just too small to play in the NHL long term. unless he's putting up points like MSL, hes not gonna cut it.

its a shame too, we really could use that kind of an offensive skill set.
I think this is a very fair assessment.

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10-18-2013, 11:24 AM
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First the excuses were pouring in for Kreider, and now it's Zuccarello's turn. It's a fun time to be a Rangers fan.

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10-18-2013, 12:04 PM
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Are you implying that Zuccarello does anything at all to help the cause on the defensive side of the puck?
His defensive play has pretty much been his only noteable contrubution since the night of Biron's 5-hole. How unfortunate that sounds.

I dont know, he obviously needs to produce points, but being an european, patience with players here is measured in tens and months, rather than days and 3-4 matches.

it might very well be that this type of hockey does not suit zucc at all, especially when he's not getting played into positions where he's able to make the breakout passes he's relied on to make.

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10-18-2013, 12:28 PM
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He's awful defensively and too small to win any battles on the wall in our zone. Bruins dmen killed him I the playoffs

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10-18-2013, 12:44 PM
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His defensive play has pretty much been his only noteable contrubution since the night of Biron's 5-hole. How unfortunate that sounds.
Certainly says a lot about his offense.

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being an european, patience with players here is measured in tens and months, rather than days and 3-4 matches.
That's ridiculous. What does being European have to do with anything? He's not a rookie. He's played in this league before. Hell, he's averaged .5 points a game.

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it might very well be that this type of hockey does not suit zucc at all, especially when he's not getting played into positions where he's able to make the breakout passes he's relied on to make.
I thought Zuccarello was one of those players that Torts' caveman system was stifling.

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10-18-2013, 01:09 PM
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Are you implying that Zuccarello does anything at all to help the cause on the defensive side of the puck?
Well, he must be doing something right. Along with Nash, Zuke has only been on the ice for 2 goals against (in the first 5 games). Which (not counting Miller) is the least on the team.

Compare that to say Pyatt or Stepan, who has been on for 8 (7 even strength, 1PK), or Cally which has been on ice for 11 goals against (7 even strength, 4 PK).

Or maybe he is just so confused that he manages to dive into the bench every time the opponent is about to score ?

All that aside, i'll just repeat what i initially said.. its impossible to know what would happen. It depends on a number of factors, potential injuries, etc etc etc. He could be picked up, he could clear.

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10-18-2013, 01:19 PM
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Hes the type of player the Isles would pick up and hed prob put up major pts on their PP

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10-18-2013, 01:20 PM
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His done ok. Not like last season, but he will bounce back. He is on the puck and trying to make plays. Not the first player to send down, in my opinion.

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10-18-2013, 01:39 PM
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He's awful defensively and too small to win any battles on the wall in our zone. Bruins dmen killed him I the playoffs
Zuke was the rangers second best offensive player during the playoffs, so your argument is stupid.

This season Zuke got one of the best +/- stats on the team, so no he is not bad defensively.

And can u come up with one player thats stronger than Chara? In fact Nash got owned all the time during the playoff. He is big and soft, but since he is North- American it dosent matter.

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Zuke was the rangers second best offensive player during the playoffs, so your argument is stupid.

This season Zuke got one of the best +/- stats on the team, so no he is not bad defensively.

And can u come up with one player thats stronger than Chara? In fact Nash got owned all the time during the playoff. He is big and soft, but since he is North- American it dosent matter.
He's 7th among Ranger forwards in +/-. That said, I don't need to remind you the dangers of relying on +/- as a measure of defensive skill. Unless you're willing to say outright that Staal is the worst defensive player on the team. Then you would need reminding.

I watch the games. And Zucc doesn't look great in his own zone. He also doesn't PK. So if he's not scoring, he needs to be replaced with someone who can tangibly contribute in other facets of the game. By the way, he's getting plenty of opportunity to put points on the board. 2nd most ES TOI/Game among forwards on the team. And over 2 minutes of PP time per game.

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He's 7th among Ranger forwards in +/-. That said, I don't need to remind you the dangers of relying on +/- as a measure of defensive skill. Unless you're willing to say outright that Staal is the worst defensive player on the team. Then you would need reminding.

I watch the games. And Zucc doesn't look great in his own zone. He also doesn't PK. So if he's not scoring, he needs to be replaced with someone who can tangibly contribute in other facets of the game. By the way, he's getting plenty of opportunity to put points on the board. 2nd most ES TOI/Game among forwards on the team. And over 2 minutes of PP time per game.
I've never seen so much North American bias in one post

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It's dumb to waive a player who's proven to be useful after less than six (he was fine in the first 2-3) games.
The irony in this thread is funny.

When Zooks scored .5ppg over 80 plus NHL games some posters said the sample size was too small but some of those same posters want him waived after 7 games.

Some of the same posters said Richards was done. Strangely they had no problem with a 1.7 mill player scoring 2 goals last season.

We need Zooks to score. We need Pouilet to score. But Zooks has only been on the ice for 2 goals against all season. He has not been a detriment defensively.

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10-18-2013, 01:53 PM
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The team tried to open it up the first few games. Zuccarello was non-existent then too, and they proceeded to get destroyed.

I don't agree with what you're saying in the least -- I just don't think Zuccarello is good enough to be a consistent NHL talent. But even more importantly, the coach is going to do whats good for the team, not whats good for Mats Zuccarello.

You know what would be the perfect way to start playing the type of hockey you endorse? Get players that are better than Zuccarello.
Feels like this board got the collective memory of a gold fish at times. If you read through the Game Analysis there is nothing but praise for his play in the win in LA (2nd game).

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10-18-2013, 02:27 PM
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Zuccarello is a complimentary offensive player. He's not a go to threat. When the go to threats aren't there--he's in big trouble because he's not going to produce a lot when more of the focus is on him. He might not play on the same line as Nash but he needs Nash to take the best checkers--the best d pair away from him. Zuccarello has not been much of a finisher except in shoot outs--he's a playmaker. This is another problem for him because until he can show more finish other teams are going to cheat towards covering his linemates better.

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Zucc is a wing with a centermans mentality, since we have only two wingers that can score and they are both on IR his effectiveness just got shortchanged by 66%

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He's 7th among Ranger forwards in +/-. That said, I don't need to remind you the dangers of relying on +/- as a measure of defensive skill. Unless you're willing to say outright that Staal is the worst defensive player on the team. Then you would need reminding.

I watch the games. And Zucc doesn't look great in his own zone. He also doesn't PK. So if he's not scoring, he needs to be replaced with someone who can tangibly contribute in other facets of the game. By the way, he's getting plenty of opportunity to put points on the board. 2nd most ES TOI/Game among forwards on the team. And over 2 minutes of PP time per game.
The +/- matters. Stepan got lots of points and a terrible +/- stat because of stupid turnovers and sloppy play. Zuke on the other hand blocks shots and works hard all over the ice. Dont focus to much on point production.

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There's something I dont understand about Zucc. He has excellent puck control, and can make some beautiful passes. But he doesn't shoot, he will not finish if thats the better chance. Why? The coach needs to work on him, and try to adjust his game.

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There's something I dont understand about Zucc. He has excellent puck control, and can make some beautiful passes. But he doesn't shoot, he will not finish if thats the better chance. Why? The coach needs to work on him, and try to adjust his game.
Brad Richards has been one of the Rangers best players so far. As a playmaker, he's been shooting every chance he gets.

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10-18-2013, 03:31 PM
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By the way, he's getting plenty of opportunity to put points on the board. 2nd most ES TOI/Game among forwards on the team. And over 2 minutes of PP time per game.
Not implying that I feel his contributions warrant this much icetime. But could it be that AV thinks he deserves the icetime he's given in any given game ? Or is it simply a no-better-option case

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There's something I dont understand about Zucc. He has excellent puck control, and can make some beautiful passes. But he doesn't shoot, he will not finish if thats the better chance. Why? The coach needs to work on him, and try to adjust his game.
This pretty much sums it up. For an offensive forward with almost 17 min TOI on average, he has less than a shot on goal a game! That's just silly. Only McDonagh and Moore behind him, both with four. Even against St Lois, with a notice hanging over his head, he did't manage to fire a single shot. He should at least fire 2 or 3 shots a game. Someone (AV) should tell him the obvious. Even Pyatt hits the goal twice as much, without even knowing where it's at.

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10-18-2013, 04:47 PM
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If Zucc gets waived he would get claimed. Teams will make space for a player who can play either wing and can set up his teammates. What he needs is to not play with Pouliot.

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Just a question i've been wondering about, if zucc is sent down to the AHL. He has to go through waivers first? And then he can be picked up by any club as long as they give him a similar contract like the one he has in NY?

And do you guys think he will clear waivers or not?
We are better off, if he does have to clear, that he is claimed, and we recover cap/create roster spot.

Nothing vs Zuc, but he does not have enough speed for separation on offense and more importantly does not have size for defense.

He might have a specialty role as a shoot out specialist, but that's it.

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