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12-07-2006, 01:15 AM
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. . I Feel The Trade Winds Blowing . . . Stronger Each Day !!

trading dead line not that far off - however, I personnally believe that
unlike other years, trading across the league will be active much prior
to the deadline.

Hell if a Manager does their job, they are always looking to prop up their
team sooner rather than later and the sooner new faces are made available to teams, the longer the boys have to Gel together for as many regular season games possible in addition to racking up more points to go as far up the positional playoff chart as possible.

I can see the following being moved - and I have no idea what would be in
return

Ryder (I have to put a note here - I have never seen a more selfish puck
hogging guy on any habs team as much as this guy - unbelievable!)

Souray (I love this guy - however lets learn from our mistakes - and possibly
reap something huge in return for this very attractive commodity - but
please - send him out of this conference!)

Kovalev (Sorry Kovy - You can out stick handle anyone in a phone booth,
but it's been real ! Maybe you can find your smile back!)

Samsanov (. . . . . what can one say - Hey Bob - good try, but a guy like this
if he hasn't found his game by now with the new team, well cut it
loose and at least save the cap space - hell we didn't give up anyone)

BTW - I'm not ranting this 'cause they lost tonight - the Habs are doing a good job,
however, a lot of season left & I know we can be doing a better job. Bob is
assessing and something will be done - just because we don't have a loosing
record, does not mean we should sit back and let things play out. This is a
great position, one that we haven't been in for a while - especially with the
young guys on the team stepping it up, Higgins Perez., Lats, Pleks,
and lately even Streit - who doesn't look bad up front.


Noteworthy to the boys on the farm on giving it to Toronto tonight,
great blood down there frothing to just get up to the front!

Ciao people !


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12-07-2006, 01:25 AM
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Basically you intend to gut the team. Thank god Gainey is our GM.

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12-07-2006, 01:32 AM
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Basically you intend to gut the team. Thank god Gainey is our GM.


. . . you call that gutting . . . . Read dude - don't browse a post. Then you may
and I do mean may, be a little bit more coherent in your comments . . .


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12-07-2006, 01:35 AM
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No, he's absolutely right. 3 out of those 4 guys are key members of the Canadiens organization. I'm not against moving one of them, but all four? Give me a break.

And trade deadline isn't far off? It's almost four months away!

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12-07-2006, 01:45 AM
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No, he's absolutely right. 3 out of those 4 guys are key members of the Canadiens organization. I'm not against moving one of them, but all four? Give me a break.

And trade deadline isn't far off? It's almost four months away!
. . . . I know it doesn't look right when written down all at once, but every name
has been brought up before seperately, remember that. Perhaps, the Souray thing isn't that far off - Remember, we did say at one time that when Theo won all the awards there were individuals that said to trade him at that point while the stock was high . . . now BG wasn't GM that year . . . I think he just might do something
with Sheldon that's all -

Anyways, your right I may be just blowing wind myself . . . . however time will
tell. This is a forum of opinions . . . taken & given . . . I'm from old school and
wouldn't be surprised in the least at something being done -

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Samsonov..... I have been against this signing since the day he was signed but Gainey himself said not to expect much from him until the new year.... I'll take his word and have the wait and see approach.

The bottom line is that kovalev and samsonov need to find a way to to play with each other. They never appear to be on the same page and thats inexcusable considering that they have been together since the very start. It seems none of them are willing to tweak their game in order to work with each other.

If kovalev needs a center to improve his game, then he's a follower, he's not a leader.... and I dont like the idea of a follower commanding the 2nd highest salary on the team. I have generally supported kovalev because I think he is a leader but for whatever reason, he hasn't decided to turn the switch on yet.

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Well I really dont think Souray is going anywhere... We are in good posture to finish high in the standing and Gainey wont give up on this season even if the team isnt consistent.. Souray is a PP specialist, a great leader and his defensive play improved recently.. He is an important piece of the puzzle to me..

So we have 8 defenseman... Streit improved a big deal, he is a decent puckmover and in the new NHL you need this type of defenseman so I think he can do a nice job as a regular.. Bouillon isnt playing good hockey at the moment but he will improve more he will play be patient... Both Bouillon and Dandy are solid bottom pairing defensmen, they are quick, good defensively and can move the puck nicely...

Rivet is to me the one that could be traded... He does a nice job defensively, good positionning, work hard but has trouble to move the puck and react quickly at times... The new NHL is all about quickness, mobility and puckmovement so Rivet could be an interesting asset in an trade... I know he has a good reputation around the league and that several teams could be interested... I dont think his lost would hurt the team... We also have a guy named J-P Coté in the minor who have lot of similarities with Rivet, so Rivet is certainly replacable IMO.

Up front, I wish Kovy still has some trade value and interest some teams...

Ryder could be an interesting asset as well...

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Well I really dont think Souray is going anywhere... We are in good posture to finish high in the standing and Gainey wont give up on this season even if the team isnt consistent.. Souray is a PP specialist, a great leader and his defensive play improved recently.. He is an important piece of the puzzle to me..

So we have 8 defenseman... Streit improved a big deal, he is a decent puckmover and in the new NHL you need this type of defenseman so I think he can do a nice job as a regular.. Bouillon isnt playing good hockey at the moment but he will improve more he will play be patient... Both Bouillon and Dandy are solid bottom pairing defensmen, they are quick, good defensively and can move the puck nicely...

Rivet is to me the one that could be traded... He does a nice job defensively, good positionning, work hard but has trouble to move the puck and react quickly at times... The new NHL is all about quickness, mobility and puckmovement so Rivet could be an interesting asset in an trade... I know he has a good reputation around the league and that several teams could be interested... I dont think his lost would hurt the team... We also have a guy named J-P Coté in the minor who have lot of similarities with Rivet, so Rivet is certainly replacable IMO.
The team isn't consistent?!?! This game was the first time all season we two in a row. We're playing well and consistantly. We're in a little bit of a slump, but nothing to write home about. I'll start worrying when we start approaching 7th place.

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The team isn't consistent?!?! This game was the first time all season we two in a row. We're playing well and consistantly. We're in a little bit of a slump, but nothing to write home about. I'll start worrying when we start approaching 7th place.
well to be fair..we r only 3 points up on the 8th place leafs ... and 6th points up on 12th place!! one lil losing streak... look at the leafs

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And trade deadline isn't far off? It's almost four months away!
psst... The 2007 NHL trade deadline is Tuesday, February 27 at 3pm et/Noon pt.

That makes 3 months...

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Well I really dont think Souray is going anywhere... We are in good posture to finish high in the standing and Gainey wont give up on this season even if the team isnt consistent.. Souray is a PP specialist, a great leader and his defensive play improved recently.. He is an important piece of the puzzle to me..

So we have 8 defenseman... Streit improved a big deal, he is a decent puckmover and in the new NHL you need this type of defenseman so I think he can do a nice job as a regular.. Bouillon isnt playing good hockey at the moment but he will improve more he will play be patient... Both Bouillon and Dandy are solid bottom pairing defensmen, they are quick, good defensively and can move the puck nicely...

Rivet is to me the one that could be traded... He does a nice job defensively, good positionning, work hard but has trouble to move the puck and react quickly at times... The new NHL is all about quickness, mobility and puckmovement so Rivet could be an interesting asset in an trade... I know he has a good reputation around the league and that several teams could be interested... I dont think his lost would hurt the team... We also have a guy named J-P Coté in the minor who have lot of similarities with Rivet, so Rivet is certainly replacable IMO.

Up front, I wish Kovy still has some trade value and interest some teams...

Ryder could be an interesting asset as well...
The interesting thing about all these posts is...where are all these amazing Dmen that are going to replace these guys. There is no all star Dman being givne away around the league. Some of you guys talk like we can go out with a shopping list of what we want and it will become a reality. I know Rivet struggled at times but who hasen't. I really think he is better than what he gets credit for. What happens when Souray comes back down to earth and we all know that is going to happen at some point.

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I do not want to see anyone getting traded before christmas.

Lets wait until Higgins comes backs, try a few things (Higgins at center/Kovy on the first line with Koivu?).

Carbo needs to split the second line Russians.

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I don't think they will have a lot of move arround the league this year. Some team will move, but it's not gonna be as it was in the ancient regime. Don't expect any trade involving Souray (he's not on the market). Don't expect any move involving Aebischer, Niinimaa, Samsonov(still an another year of contract at 3.5), etc. Because those player have no value on the market or impossible to trade because of economic conjonction.

I feel people throwing the towel pretty fast with Samsonov. I don't understand why he still playing with Kovalev. I would like to see more movement with the lines; to see. Samsonov is not a bad hockey player. He still have speed. He's just not confident and Carbo doesn't him in key situation. It's pretty hard to be visible for people when you're not playin' in those critics moments of the game cos' people reminded only those keys situations

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Habitforming,

The only guy on your list I would trade is Ryder. The other three bring something hard to replace. If Ryder could finish the year with anywhere close to 30 goals his value might still be high, and Ryder IMO would be easy to replace.

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psst... The 2007 NHL trade deadline is Tuesday, February 27 at 3pm et/Noon pt.

That makes 3 months...
My mistake I thought it was March 27 but three months is still not exactly "around the corner".

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TEAM 1040 and CKNW 980 in Vancouver reported Tuesday night that Canucks GM Dave Nonis has offered defenceman Sami Salo and foward Brendan Morrison for Montreal Canadiens defenceman Sheldon Souray and a player to be named (probably a scoring 2nd or 3rd liner)

this 2nd or 3rd = Sammy or Perez I guess, maybe Johson but I don't think so.

Would you do it?

If it's Souray+Sammy for Salo+Morrison I would do it depending on the injury that Salo just had.

By the way spector is saying that Vancouver wouldn't trade Morrison without a center coming back, and Montreal won't trade Souray if they are in the playoff so in his opinion, this rumor is crap

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the trading will begin in mid january. not real trades will happen before then...
but i do agree that BG has some improvements to make, and i know he will make a minimum of 2 trades...

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Habitforming,

The only guy on your list I would trade is Ryder. The other three bring something hard to replace. If Ryder could finish the year with anywhere close to 30 goals his value might still be high, and Ryder IMO would be easy to replace.
agreed, he is the only one that I would look at moving. Sammy has no real trade value at this point, and kovalev takes a lot of crap, but I would take him over ryder in a heartbeat. Ryder could also bring a descent return.

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I would really like it if we could trade Niinimaa and Samsonov for draft picks. But it might be impossible because of their salary.

If a team wants Aebischer and they're willing to pay a decent price for him, we could let him go, but that's also unlikely. As for Ryder, he's in another boat. If we can get a VERY solid return (see a second line centre), I'm all for trading him, because we gotta admit it, he's streaky and he's a pain in the a** to resign each year.

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TEAM 1040 and CKNW 980 in Vancouver reported Tuesday night that Canucks GM Dave Nonis has offered defenceman Sami Salo and foward Brendan Morrison for Montreal Canadiens defenceman Sheldon Souray and a player to be named (probably a scoring 2nd or 3rd liner)

this 2nd or 3rd = Sammy or Perez I guess, maybe Johson but I don't think so.

Would you do it?

If it's Souray+Sammy for Salo+Morrison I would do it depending on the injury that Salo just had.

By the way spector is saying that Vancouver wouldn't trade Morrison without a center coming back, and Montreal won't trade Souray if they are in the playoff so in his opinion, this rumor is crap
That's not what we need. Morrison is another smallish top 6 guy. Salo is a passive guy with a nice shot, but can disappear for weeks at a time and not be interested.

This doesn't make us better. I'd rather have Souray and his flaws, and maybe try to find him a steady partner to help him in the dzone and in transition.

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I just want to trade players for îcks, get rid of people hurting our team more then anything. I'm crossing my fingers for a line-up next that looks like

Higgins-Koivu-Latednresse
Kostitsyn-Grabovski-Kovalev
Johnson- Pleckanek-Perezhogin
Bégin- Lappierre-Downey/Chipchura

Grabo and Kosti have great chemistry together and like to shoot ALOT more then Plecks and Sammy, The reason why Bonk ain't on my team is because we need his salary to pay our D's and i think Plecks was destined to play third line minutes as well. I can't stand Ryder and Samsonov anymore. Ryder has faster wheels but this year he thinks he's some sort of Ovechkin but with no hands. Samsonov doesn't know the meaning of a position, he tries to play all 3 witch confuses the guys he plays with more then anything. We don't need Morrison or Salo, we just need to start building a dinasty team that a core that will stay together for atleast 5 years. No only is this team better then our actual team but it's cheaper also

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Those are some pretty strong winds. Or something gassy you ate last night.

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The team isn't consistent?!?! This game was the first time all season we two in a row. We're playing well and consistantly. We're in a little bit of a slump, but nothing to write home about. I'll start worrying when we start approaching 7th place.
With the closeness of the division it will be too late.

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the trading will begin in mid january. not real trades will happen before then...
but i do agree that BG has some improvements to make, and i know he will make a minimum of 2 trades...
You know!

So what the two trades he will make?

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You know!

So what the two trades he will make?
i know one of them will be for a center
and the second will depend on who is involved in the first...
gainey told me this last week while we had steak at queue de cheval

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