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10-18-2013, 05:50 PM
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Here's what should be done:

Relax.

If someone calls with an offer, you listen, but don't try to knee-jerk your way out of this. You don't go crazy after a poor start. If the poor start continues, then you can react. Try to extort some good picks or prospects for guys like Timonen or Coburn at the deadline. But doing something now is not a great idea.
This is spot on what I am thinking. Personally, no matter how good or bad the team is doing I would always be open to offers for any player. It is my belief that everyone has a price. If there is an offer that is too good to be turned down, then take it.

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10-18-2013, 06:01 PM
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Give it 15-25 more games, than lets fire this thread back up.

Mason played a hell of a game yesterday, the offense got killed on the boards and had so much trouble entering the zone with the puck.

Now the defense, besides a couple mistakes, looked better than the offense IMO.

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10-18-2013, 06:13 PM
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Give it 15-25 more games, than lets fire this thread back up.

Mason played a hell of a game yesterday, the offense got killed on the boards and had so much trouble entering the zone with the puck.

Now the defense, besides a couple mistakes, looked better than the offense IMO.
Yep.

And even so... the offence created about 4 perfect chances to score, and 3-4 other solid ones, but ****ed them up at the last minute.

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10-18-2013, 07:49 PM
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how about
couturier,voracek,3 1st for shea weber ?

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10-18-2013, 07:52 PM
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how about
couturier,voracek,3 1st for shea weber ?
How bout that is a horrible idea.

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10-18-2013, 07:55 PM
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How bout that is a horrible idea.
yeah.... for the best d-man in nhl

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10-18-2013, 08:03 PM
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3 firsts with one, possibly 2, of them having a good chance of being a top 10 pick? Yeah, no thanks. This team with the way it is playing would still find ways to lose even with Weber, not to mention their offense would suck even worse. Let's give them some time before we talk about trading and blowing up. I actually think the Flyers need to go through a few rough years cause the way the team is now isn't winning the Cup anytime soon. Our high level management on the other hand....

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10-18-2013, 08:05 PM
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yeah.... for the best d-man in nhl
Yeah an package makes our youngish team look old real quick. That's an awful lot of assets especially future assets to give up for a player.

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10-18-2013, 08:09 PM
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3 firsts with one, possibly 2, of them having a good chance of being a top 10 pick? Yeah, no thanks. This team with the way it is playing would still find ways to lose even with Weber, not to mention their offense would suck even worse. Let's give them some time before we talk about trading and blowing up. I actually think the Flyers need to go through a few rough years cause the way the team is now isn't winning the Cup anytime soon. Our high level management on the other hand....
the last time the flyers having a #1 d-man

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10-18-2013, 08:29 PM
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the last time the flyers having a #1 d-man
What is your point? The team doesn't have the depth to be trading so much away for one player even if he is the best d-man in the league.

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10-18-2013, 08:31 PM
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Regarding Simmonds, it's not that I dislike him, but he's replaceable with Hartnell and McGinn. He has the highest trade value out of the three, but he's really a luxury for this team, especially when they have needs that could be addressed by trading him.

If they could trade him to Ottawa for something based around Cowen or Wiercioch, or to Toronto for Gardiner +, or Phoenix for Gormley +, I'd be all over it.

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10-18-2013, 08:33 PM
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What is your point? The team doesn't have the depth to be trading so much away for one player even if he is the best d-man in the league.
You fix one problem while creating another one.

Teams also don't trade #1 defensemen unless it's under extreme circumstances (which I don't see any out on the horizon as of now). If you want a #1 you basically have to draft one or pay a massive overpayment for one.

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I find it funny how Simmonds is thrown in every trade proposal now, people on here would rage when ever other fans would ask about him the last two years.

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10-18-2013, 08:38 PM
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I find it funny how Simmonds is thrown in every trade proposal now, people on here would rage when ever other fans would ask about him the last two years.
He's a good player, but he's easily the most expendable forward on the team that is actually tradeable and carries trade value.

If they could get rid of Hartnell instead of Simmonds, I'd be all for it, but it's not going to happen.

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He's a good player, but he's easily the most expendable forward on the team that is actually tradeable and carries trade value.

If they could get rid of Hartnell instead of Simmonds, I'd be all for it, but it's not going to happen.
I don't see how he's expandable unless you're bringing back another forward who's considered a sniper. I know we need defense too but sacrificing more forwards for it is just creating another hole. We don't have the depth like we did a few years ago.

The fact is nobody would be saying this right now if he wasn't playing bad currently.

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10-18-2013, 08:49 PM
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You fix one problem while creating another one.

Teams also don't trade #1 defensemen unless it's under extreme circumstances (which I don't see any out on the horizon as of now). If you want a #1 you basically have to draft one or pay a massive overpayment for one.
2years ago the flyers was ready for 4 1st

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2years ago the flyers was ready for 4 1st
That was part of the compensation for an Offer Sheet. The fact that Nashville matched it proves that the value wasn't there for them.

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10-18-2013, 08:58 PM
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That was part of the compensation for an Offer Sheet.
yeah but 4 1st is really huge lol

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yeah.... for the best d-man in nhl
...but Weber isn't the best defenseman in the NHL.

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I don't see how he's expandable unless you're bringing back another forward who's considered a sniper. I know we need defense too but sacrificing more forwards for it is just creating another hole. We don't have the depth like we did a few years ago.

The fact is nobody would be saying this right now if he wasn't playing bad currently.
Not really. The team would still have six top 6 forwards: Giroux, Voracek, Lecavalier, Read, Schenn, and Hartnell. Then you have Couturier, McGinn, Raffl, and the fourth liners, with Laughton ready to go next year.

Simmonds is expendable because he can only be successful playing a very limited role and is probably the worst two way player on the team.

They played five games with seven top 6 forwards and it didn't do them much good. I'd rather give up the weakest overall forward of that bunch (that is tradeable and has good trade value) and fill a hole on the back end and see if McGinn or Raffl can replace his production.

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10-18-2013, 09:05 PM
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...but Weber isn't the best defenseman in the NHL.
for you who is the best d-man in nhl ?

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10-18-2013, 09:26 PM
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Not really. The team would still have six top 6 forwards: Giroux, Voracek, Lecavalier, Read, Schenn, and Hartnell. Then you have Couturier, McGinn, Raffl, and the fourth liners, with Laughton ready to go next year.

Simmonds is expendable because he can only be successful playing a very limited role and is probably the worst two way player on the team.

They played five games with seven top 6 forwards and it didn't do them much good. I'd rather give up the weakest overall forward of that bunch (that is tradeable and has good trade value) and fill a hole on the back end and see if McGinn or Raffl can replace his production.
Unless we are bringing in another winger I don't feel comfortable giving up Simmonds & counting on Raffl & McGinn to fill his spot.

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The problem with our top 4 wingers is that none are puck-possession type players.

We need at least one winger who can emulate what Jagr did, in terms of controlling the puck

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The problem with our top 4 wingers is that none are puck-possession type players.

We need at least one winger who can emulate what Jagr did, in terms of controlling the puck
Except for Voracek.

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Except for Voracek.
Yup, Voracek plays a similar style to Jagr.

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