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12-07-2006, 10:51 AM
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I do not understand why they don't split up Sammy and Kovy. It's beyond me why they wouldn't have tried splitting them up. It makes no sense whatsoever. From the first day, people were saying they weren't made to play together and for 3 months they have proven that, yet they continue to play together.

They couldn't produce with Ribs, they couldn't produce with Pleks, and they couldn't produce with Kovy centering either.

To me, it's an obvious decision to split them up.
Sorry didn't saw this before posting. You are totally right my friend ! Why do the keep trying Samsonov with Kovalev ? It didn't work at the first game and still don't work....

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12-07-2006, 10:57 AM
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I do not understand why they don't split up Sammy and Kovy. It's beyond me why they wouldn't have tried splitting them up. It makes no sense whatsoever. From the first day, people were saying they weren't made to play together and for 3 months they have proven that, yet they continue to play together.

They couldn't produce with Ribs, they couldn't produce with Pleks, and they couldn't produce with Kovy centering either.

To me, it's an obvious decision to split them up.
I agree, what are they waiting for th 80th game of the year? at first the first line was great and they didn't want to break it up...fine, but our first line has sucked just as much as teh second since higgins went down....so enough is enough shuffle them up.

Lats Koivu Kovy
Sammy Plex Ryder

Get kovy going at least. Ryder has been ****.

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12-07-2006, 11:22 AM
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Carbo is the most patient I've ever seen in my life. Most players complain because coaches switch up lines too often, not Carbo. He keeps coming back to the same lines over and over. Yesterday, he told the Montreal Gazette that he didn't think it was fair to the first and third lines to break them up because they were playing really well together and the other two lines basically need to work harder.

I don't see what fairness has to do with it. Bonk, Koivu, Johnson and Perezhogin are all playing great hockey right now and in fairness to the team they should be mixed and matched with other players to get all of the lines going. I'd take anything at this point. I was thinking about this last night:

Latendresse-Koivu-Johnson
Samsonov-Bonk-Ryder
Perezhogin-Plekanec-Kovalev
Begin-?-Streit

or switch Johnson and Kovalev so Kovy plays with Koivu. I don't care at this point. I mean I love the PB & J line but something has to give so that we can get four lines going.

Zhogy and Pleks played well together last year, Bonk would bring some size, defensive stability, and a presence in front of the net for both Sammy and Ryder, while Johnson adds a skill player with a solid defensive conscious for the #1 line.

Right now, we have no fourth line centre. Murray is just not up to the task, and I just can't believe that Carbo and Gainey can't see that. I don't know why they're sticking with the guy. Until Higgins comes back we're only at 22 players on our roster and we have the cap room to bring someone up from Hamilton to give them a test run on the 4th line. So we have roster space and cap room and we're doing nothing? I just don't get it. Lapierre and Grabovsky should at least be given a look.

I think the most frustrating aspect of all this is this: despite our problems we're 15-8-4 and sit 4th in the conference with the third best point totals and either an equal amount of games played with teams trying to catch us or we have games in hand. We have very solid specialty teams.

Now, if only we can get more from these guys than one line and whoever plays with Koivu...

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12-07-2006, 11:35 AM
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Do you not see the 15 billion other threads about this on the first page?:
I think responses like this no matter if they have merrit or not is why new people read and dont post, just a thought!

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12-07-2006, 12:15 PM
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I have mixed feelings on this issue.

I am very frustrated with the lack of production coming from the second line. While I do commend the patience of the coaching staff for "sticking with them", I feel that some line changes may be necessary. That being said, I would wait until Higgins gets back (~ week or so). If they haven't started clicking by then some changes will happen (they'll happen anyway getting him back in the lineup). Getting Higgins back healthy just gives this team a lot of options.

How about:

Latendresse - Koivu - Kovalev
Samsanov - Higgins - Ryder
Perezhogin - Bonk - Johnson
Begin - Plekanec - Streit
I agree with you! IMO, there's no need to break two combo:

Latendresse and Koivu
Perezhogin, Bonk and Johnson

There's also a couple of things that needs to be changed:

Ryder on the first line
Kovalev with Samsonov
Higgins back in the line-up

That's why this line up would be great and would help us 5 on 5

Latendresse - Koivu - Kovalev: Playmaker with big players on the side...lots of scoring
Samsonov - Higgins - Ryder: Higgins at centre? Worth the try. A little bit of everything
Perezhogin - Bonk - Johnson: You know what you get
Begin - Plekanec - Streit: Plakenec would make that line going


I need to call Carbonneau!!!

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12-07-2006, 02:20 PM
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Why a 2nd line center? Why not a 1st!

Hi guys! By all the name mentionned I think we shouldn't move for those kind of player. I remember last year, we were telling that the Habs need an elite 1st line center and in the ideal world Koivu will be one of the best 2nd line center in the league. So why not trying to get this 1st line center? I know now on the market they have nothing who correspond to this description, but I rather wait and see what will be on the market near of the deadline? Remember?

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12-07-2006, 02:30 PM
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IMO, we should look for a second line centre because a first line centre is too expensive. I don't want to give a lot of picks and farm team players of quality for a first line centre, because Koivu is playing like one right now. He's having a hell of a season right now so it's great!

Also, there's probably more second line centre available around the league. We just have to find the right one for us.

But if we can get a 1st line centre who's ready to play second line minutes that we could have for not to much, why not...

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I completely agree and I find it funny seeing the posts saying we basically don't need a really good player, we need an okay player. If the deal could be done, I'm glad you guys aren't in charge of it

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2nd line center

wha about Jason Allison? he is available and notch almost 1pt/game last season. I dont think he would be too expensive. and we baddly need a 2nd line center

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I'd rather get shot in the kneecap.

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It's too late to sign Allison, we had to go after him in June.

If we go after him now, the season would be over by the time he finished signing his name on the contract.





He's slow.

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12-07-2006, 09:27 PM
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ARE YOU SERIOUS??????

Give me a break......

Whoever said they would rather be shot in the kneecap...you can add me to the list...

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I'd rather get shot in the kneecap.
and set on fire and thrown off a roof

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i'm just wondering. I havnt got TV since 2 years, i've seen a few games on internet, I look at results on the net and read your posts. so If you dont talk about him, i need to ask

anyways. thx for info

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So which guy could we found? I just feel a guy like Sakic could be available if the Av's don't make the playoff, but Idoubt it. I see a guy with a lot of experience. Not a fluke like Datsyuk (no goal in his last 35 games in playoff; hello Valeri Bure!). We need a guy with experience...of winning...

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Of course we'll have to pry him out of Tortarella's cold dead hands (esp. after tonight) but we can dream...

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Lecavalier...My god! You still dreaming? Forsberg is more affordable for us...if he waves his no-trade clause...Sakic? Huuuuuummmmm

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Yeah but if you told me last season that Joe Thornton was going to get traded for Sturm, Primeau and Stuart, I would've laughed in your face. It could happen!

...Right? Anybody...?

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Allison is quite slow these days. He's still pretty effective in the offensive zone, but I don't think he's all that useful beyond a pp-specialist role. The habs pp is already great, so I don't think he's a good fit in Montreal.

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So which guy could we found? I just feel a guy like Sakic could be available if the Av's don't make the playoff, but Idoubt it. I see a guy with a lot of experience. Not a fluke like Datsyuk (no goal in his last 35 games in playoff; hello Valeri Bure!). We need a guy with experience...of winning...
I can't believe some people still think Datsyuk is not good enough to play in Montreal. He's always the guy that has a lot of highlight goals, that can split the D, one of the "skilliest"[?] player on the league but he not good enough for the Habs. I dont give a sht if he hasnt score in the playoff for 35 games, that wont last forever. Id be happy to see him on the first or second line with the Habs

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Let's pull off a three-way trade that would end up with Sundin on the Habs...without the Leafs knowing it was going to happen.

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Yeah but if you told me last season that Joe Thornton was going to get traded for Sturm, Primeau and Stuart, I would've laughed in your face. It could happen!

...Right? Anybody...?
. . . so then, you agree that perhaps Ryder or others may be traded or should if the right deal came along . . .or am I misreading what your saying

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I can't believe some people still think Datsyuk is not good enough to play in Montreal. He's always the guy that has a lot of highlight goals, that can split the D, one of the "skilliest"[?] player on the league but he not good enough for the Habs. I dont give a sht if he hasnt score in the playoff for 35 games, that wont last forever. Id be happy to see him on the first or second line with the Habs

Skillful is the word you're looking for I believe. And I agree, Datsyuk is a sexy beast.

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. . . so then, you agree that perhaps Ryder or others may be traded or should if the right deal came along . . .or am I misreading what your saying
Sturm and Primeau would be close to Ryder and Begin in terms of talent. We don't have anyone like Stuart, IMO. We have three defensemen who are clearly more valuable and a slew of them who are less valuable.

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I have mixed feelings on this issue.

I am very frustrated with the lack of production coming from the second line. While I do commend the patience of the coaching staff for "sticking with them", I feel that some line changes may be necessary. That being said, I would wait until Higgins gets back (~ week or so). If they haven't started clicking by then some changes will happen (they'll happen anyway getting him back in the lineup). Getting Higgins back healthy just gives this team a lot of options.

How about:

Latendresse - Koivu - Kovalev
Samsanov - Higgins - Ryder
Perezhogin - Bonk - Johnson
Begin - Plekanec - Streit
I'd definitely give it a try...

Samsonov and Kovalev HAVE GOT TO BE SEPARATED

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