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10-20-2013, 10:32 AM
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It almost seemed like the Oilers didn't want to score on that 5 vs 3 (brutal dive by Petry), but a strong kill by the Senators nonetheless.
Sens have had a lot of practice. At least one 5-on-3 against in every game so far this year.

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Mike Jones' goal was awesome.

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Lundqvist should take notes, he needs to step his game up.

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I loathe Smith, but that was pretty spectacular. It does a team wonders for puck possession when you have a weapon like that.

As a fan of both hockey and soccer I sometimes wonder why defensemen are more likely to ice the puck retreating under pressure than simply passing back to the goaltender. Its sort of an unenlightened coaching culture in the league that is likely to blame.

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10-20-2013, 02:00 PM
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Even with the Sedin twins,the PP stinks for Tortorella.



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Their PP wasn't very good last season either. It was slightly better than the Rangers last season (15.8% to 15.7%).
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Some people said the Rangers PP sucked because the team had no talent. The VAN PP missed Ryan Kesler last season. Vigneault and his assistant in Vancouver(Newell Brown)share the same philosophy. Right-handed shots. Brown is an assistant with the Coyotes now.



Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/C...#ixzz2iBWqUEZd

Kesler played 17 games last season. He is healthy this season. The PP stinks. The two architects in NY are now in Vancouver. What's their excuse for the bad PP? Maybe they don't what they are doing. They don't share the right handed philosophy which is what Vigneault has brought to the Rangers.

The Rangers are down to one righty(Stepan)with the injury to Callahan. The Rangers need to add more righty shots.
Just for some perspective from a Canucks fan. While the PP has failed to produced it has looked much better this year so far, generating a lot of quality chances with better movement. Much like the Rangers, it's too early in the season to make any meaningful determinations. Also, keep in mind that former Stars head coach, Gulutzan is running the PP, not Sullivan.

I'm also of the belief that personnel is a much higher determining factor than coaching when it comes to the PP. To be honest, the PP is pretty much the Sedins thing to run; if they're going, the PP is going.

The other issue with the Canucks is that they have the fewest PP opportunities in the NHL, which has been an ongoing trend the last few seasons. Take the Pens game, the Canucks dominated possession and the shots for much of the game, yet the Pens enjoyed a 4-1 PP advantage. When you're only getting one PP all game, it's hard to find your rhythm. It was an issue last year and it is an issue early on this season.

As for Torts, it is interesting to note some differences and let me say up front, I liked AV as a coach. The main thing I've noticed as a strength that Torts has, that AV always struggled with, is in-game adjustments. Torts seems to have a better feel for who's going, who's not going, and what buttons to push to wake the team up from a slumber. For better or worse, the Canucks are certainly a more aggressive team under Torts but you can see the team is still in an adjustment period, much like the Rangers I'm sure. My only gripe would be the number of odd man rushes we seem to be giving up and the amount of time and space we give to teams in our own end. Every good team collapses to the net, but it feels like the Canucks are still figuring out just how much under Torts.

And yes, there has been more shot blocking.

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10-20-2013, 02:14 PM
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Just for some perspective from a Canucks fan. While the PP has failed to produced it has looked much better this year so far, generating a lot of quality chances with better movement. Much like the Rangers, it's too early in the season to make any meaningful determinations. Also, keep in mind that former Stars head coach, Gulutzan is running the PP, not Sullivan.

I'm also of the belief that personnel is a much higher determining factor than coaching when it comes to the PP. To be honest, the PP is pretty much the Sedins thing to run; if they're going, the PP is going.

The other issue with the Canucks is that they have the fewest PP opportunities in the NHL, which has been an ongoing trend the last few seasons. Take the Pens game, the Canucks dominated possession and the shots for much of the game, yet the Pens enjoyed a 4-1 PP advantage. When you're only getting one PP all game, it's hard to find your rhythm. It was an issue last year and it is an issue early on this season.

As for Torts, it is interesting to note some differences and let me say up front, I liked AV as a coach. The main thing I've noticed as a strength that Torts has, that AV always struggled with, is in-game adjustments. Torts seems to have a better feel for who's going, who's not going, and what buttons to push to wake the team up from a slumber. For better or worse, the Canucks are certainly a more aggressive team under Torts but you can see the team is still in an adjustment period, much like the Rangers I'm sure. My only gripe would be the number of odd man rushes we seem to be giving up and the amount of time and space we give to teams in our own end. Every good team collapses to the net, but it feels like the Canucks are still figuring out just how much under Torts.

And yes, there has been more shot blocking.

Ahh, yes. That will be a continued theme. Have fun.

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10-20-2013, 02:38 PM
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I loathe Smith, but that was pretty spectacular. It does a team wonders for puck possession when you have a weapon like that.

As a fan of both hockey and soccer I sometimes wonder why defensemen are more likely to ice the puck retreating under pressure than simply passing back to the goaltender. Its sort of an unenlightened coaching culture in the league that is likely to blame.
Goaltenders in soccer also have the responsibility of goal kicks. I think that they wear essentially the same equipment as field players (besides the obvious padded jersey) helps too. Also with the trapezoid, goalies have even less reason to play the puck. There's more chance of a mistake because of the small size of the puck, the ice, etc., than a soccer ball. Unless you're team England.

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10-20-2013, 03:00 PM
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Ahh, yes. That will be a continued theme. Have fun.
Interesting, I was hoping it was just the players getting used to the system. There is certainly more room for opposing teams on the points but the top of the slot seems to be better guarded. If you watch the Hawks, they do the exact same thing. It may just be a matter of me getting used to it, as it is the most striking difference between AV and Torts so far.

In the end, for both teams, results are the only thing that matters, regardless of who is coaching and what systems are employed.

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10-20-2013, 04:33 PM
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Interesting, I was hoping it was just the players getting used to the system. There is certainly more room for opposing teams on the points but the top of the slot seems to be better guarded. If you watch the Hawks, they do the exact same thing. It may just be a matter of me getting used to it, as it is the most striking difference between AV and Torts so far.

In the end, for both teams, results are the only thing that matters, regardless of who is coaching and what systems are employed.
Under Torts we had a reoccurring issue (particularly in the playoffs) with the opposing team's pointmen (defensemen) being left wide-open in our defensive zone.... Teams would move the puck back to them and then our forwards would try to clog the shooting lanes and block these shots and overall it just made recovering the puck more difficult and often times resulted in a lot of time spent in our defensive zone...


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10-20-2013, 04:58 PM
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Under Torts we have a reoccurring issue (particularly in the playoffs) with the opposing team's pointment (defensemen) being left wide-open in our defensive zone.... Teams would move the puck back to them and then our forwards would try to clog the shooting lanes and block these shots and overall it just made recovering the puck more difficult and often times resulted in a lot of time spent in our defensive zone...
That's sounds about right, nice to get your perspective as Rangers fans. What you describe is really my only concern with Torts right now, hopefully we can find a bit more balance and not go to the extreme that you're describing.

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10-20-2013, 09:40 PM
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The Ducks score a lot of goals. 4-point night so far for Getzlaf and another night of 40+ shots for them.

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The Ducks score a lot of goals. 4-point night so far for Getzlaf and another night of 40+ shots for them.
Getzlaf and Perry are punks. They could have had Jessiman instead.

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The Ducks score a lot of goals. 4-point night so far for Getzlaf and another night of 40+ shots for them.
That + Dallas' defense sucks and Campbell started his first NHL game. He looked shaky.

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That + Dallas' defense sucks and Campbell started his first NHL game. He looked shaky.
I wouldn't say Campbell was shaky. Just got hung out to dry. Selanne and Getzlaf were all alone with time to pick corners, 3 o the goals were ridiculous deflections right in front, etc.

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Gaborik scoring against Torts today was awesome. Such a troll.

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On a redirect from Anisimov.

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Prust is out for 4 weeks with a shoulder injury. He went flying into the boards on Saturday against Nashville. That's the thing about giving 4 years and $10M. He plays too hard. Prust hurt his shoulder last season in Feb/March and it bothered him for the rest of the season. With the Rangers,Prust was always hurt. Shoulder. Hand/finger surgery. Its only pain but he can't play with an injury.

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10-21-2013, 10:23 AM
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Prust is out for 4 weeks with a shoulder injury. He went flying into the boards on Saturday against Nashville. That's the thing about giving 4 years and $10M. He plays too hard. Prust hurt his shoulder last season in Feb/March and it bothered him for the rest of the season. With the Rangers,Prust was always hurt. Shoulder. Hand/finger surgery. Its only pain but he can't play with an injury.
Teams have to be able to develop these types of players for this exact reason. They get miles on their bodies very quickly

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Even with this soft lineup I STILL wouldn't have signed Prust to that deal, for that exact reason. The guy can't stay healthy, for obvious reasons.

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Even with this soft lineup I STILL wouldn't have signed Prust to that deal, for that exact reason. The guy can't stay healthy, for obvious reasons.


so since Callahan cant stay healthy would you keep him for the run and try to resign him with a chance of him leaving , or trade him for some solid picks prospects and hope he comes back here..

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so since Callahan cant stay healthy would you keep him for the run and try to resign him with a chance of him leaving , or trade him for some solid picks prospects and hope he comes back here..
Depends on the term. 5x5.5 or something like that I'd bite. Anything longer I trade the guy.

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Watching the piece on Mackinnon on NHL Live is depressing me. It's sad to know that I will probably never see a young franchise player like that on the Rangers roster.

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