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12-07-2006, 12:37 PM
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I don't see it like that. In ot, you're trying to win a point, you don't lose one. Souray tried to make an offensive play and had to hook on the way back. It was a calculated gamble. They win the faceoff or block the shot, it's a shootout, where with Brodeur, I'd think NJ would be the favorite. I have no problem with him taking a shot at making an offensive play. Most ot goals,4 on 4 are usually when a d can't get back, or make a change, Souray has his flaws, but I have no problem with him last night.

And if I remember, it was a 3 aganist 2, when Souray hooked Parise and he couldn't shoot.. So basically he got a good penalty, 20 seconds before the shootouts! MTL's killed a 5 on 3 before, top's the league in PK. They're no one to blame... Maybe the one who took the faceoff and lost, I think Begin.. But no one will say that because is Begin.. but if it was Murray, or Plekanec, everyone would say why they didn't send Koivu or Begin.. same old story.

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And if I remember, it was a 3 aganist 2, when Souray hooked Parise and he couldn't shoot.. So basically he got a good penalty, 20 seconds before the shootouts! MTL's killed a 5 on 3 before, top's the league in PK. They're no one to blame... Maybe the one who took the faceoff and lost, I think Begin.. But no one will say that because is Begin.. but if it was Murray, or Plekanec, everyone would say why they didn't send Koivu or Begin.. same old story.
No, I think Bonk lost the draw.

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12-07-2006, 01:14 PM
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Actually, I would have to disagree completely.
That Gomez play (which started from behind the New Jersey net) was the same play they used to score at least one and maybe a couple of goals against us last year.
If you watched the whole game, you would have noticed that the Devils tried to run it on many occasions but the Canadiens (and its due to coaching) always had someone pressure Gomez to give up the puck.

BUT on the play that lead to the goal, Pleckanec (who for some reason, forgets how to play defense when he's with Kovy and Sammy) not only went the wrong way, allowing Gomez to rush up the ice, but did not cover the slot, which is where the puck ended up.

(By the way, you should never rely on the in game analysis of Houde and Pedneault - who blamed it on Sourray - because as entertaining as they are, they are not great hockey guys)

On the second goal, both Koivu and Sourray got caught deep in the zone (I believe its Koivu that turned the puck over) but Koivu did not backcheck at all. Even Carbonneau said that he had no problem with Sourray taking the penalty, because he prevented a prime scoring opportunity.
With 9 seconds left, there is no way Bouillon should have let Elias get the shot past him. He was AWFUL all night.

I'm not relying on the 2 guys from the Muppet SHow for my comments... I'm relying on my eyes.

Sheldon Souray is our Brian Mccabe. Great offensive instincts, and a killer shot, but he SUCKS defesively, hands down.

people keep on saying that our team will go down without Sheldon, and I beg to differ. The guys sucks defensively, and when you suck defensiveily and play close to 20 minutes a game, that means that the Habs need to score mroe goals to pull off a win because of bonheaded defensive plays in his own zone and in the offensive zone at times.

People may not see this now, but trust me, when he gets moved, (and he WILL get moved) you'll notice how much this guy ***** the bed on 'D'.

If you play close attention to all of our games, not only do teams constantly attack Souray's side, but they cycle the puck down low behind the net on a regular basis, while he pulls his little 'one hand on the stick, slashing it violently at the opponent while holding on to him with the other arm just a tad'.

Sheldon Souray sucks defensively... bottom line... last night it cost us another point.

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12-08-2006, 07:07 AM
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(By the way, you should never rely on the in game analysis of Houde and Pedneault - who blamed it on Sourray - because as entertaining as they are, they are not great hockey guys)
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I find that Yvon Pedneault is an obnoxious person who believes his perspective is absolutely correct on every player, every coach, every play, every decision, every aspect to the whole game of hockey. To be correct on all the above is near impossible but not for RDS TV's colour commentator.

I wouldn't be so put off by it all if it wasn't that there wasn't even a show-biz'y kind of quality to his presence or comments. He's just a guy who 'tells it as it is' and does so in a matter-of-fact manner. There's no Don Cherry humour quality to him

He also aggravates me by the fact that he's always ready to criticize negatively whatever he happens to see is wrong. Case in point: Last night against the Devils, Aebischer played a very strong game. Yet, the only thing of importance in Pedneault's end of game report was that Aebischer blew the play that led to Elias's goal. Aebischer should have gone out to challenge the shot, etc, etc, etc... Pedneault mentioned only in passing that Aebischer played a strong game and then focused the whole rest of the commentary on Aebischer's 'contribution' to the goal. It never occured to him that the play took place so quickly that Aebischer didn't really have time to set himself up properly for the shot. Or, if it did, it never occured to Pedneault to take that in consideration and give Aebischer a more rounded evaluation... we pretty well only got the negative picture.

That's pretty well what Yvon Pedneault means to me. A downright serious no punches held pounder ... a bearer of bad news , a doomsayer.

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12-08-2006, 07:23 AM
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Sorry but he did! He was doing an awful job on the Devils' 1st goal and got send to the box at the end of the OT... which resulted in a lost, so...
the penalty he took stopped a goal from being scored. Its not his fault the team couldn't hang on for 11 seconds.

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Sheldon Souray sucks defensively... bottom line... last night it cost us another point.
It's hardly as if Souray is responsible for the team losing a biunch of games. He is scoring many goals and as a reslut we are winning most of our games.

I am sick & tired of people who have no sense of proportion.

"Ryder sucks trade him"
"Samsonov sucks trade him"

NO HOCKEY PLAYER IS PERFECT !
Each one has strengths and weaknesses.

Souray's strengths far outweigh his weaknesses :

- killer shot & offensive instincts
- deadly on PP
- will fight ANYONE who messes with our team
- great in the dressing room

So what is he makes the occasional mistake in our zone ?
He is very valuable in other ways.
Take away the goals he has scored this season and we would have lost a lot more games...

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And how exactly do we make room for his 5 mil. a year salary
It wont; be easy but a lot of players might be leaving :

- Ninimaa = 2.5 million (replace with rookie)
- Aebi = 1.9 million (replace with Danis or Price for cheap)

Those are the only two really expendable players in our roster.

With the cap going up that gives us another few million to spare.
How much cap room do we have right now ??


Higgins & Perez are due for a raise.
Markov & Souray are due for a big raise.

If Ryder continues to play liek this he will not get a raise.

Rivet is due for a small raise but maybe would take less to stay here. If Rivet leaves, Komi takes his spot and Streit becomes top 6 D.

Last year we were all moaning about Bonk's 2.4 million deal.
He seems worth it this year.
His contract is up at the end of the year.
If he leaves maybe Plek can take his spot.

I think Johnson will stay here.

I'ts gonna be tricky but I hope the boys stay together beacause this team has potential...

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12-08-2006, 08:09 PM
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It's hardly as if Souray is responsible for the team losing a biunch of games. He is scoring many goals and as a reslut we are winning most of our games.

I am sick & tired of people who have no sense of proportion.

"Ryder sucks trade him"
"Samsonov sucks trade him"

NO HOCKEY PLAYER IS PERFECT !
Each one has strengths and weaknesses.

Souray's strengths far outweigh his weaknesses :

- killer shot & offensive instincts
- deadly on PP
- will fight ANYONE who messes with our team
- great in the dressing room

So what is he makes the occasional mistake in our zone ?
He is very valuable in other ways.
Take away the goals he has scored this season and we would have lost a lot more games...
Once again let me repeat this... SHELDON SOURAY IS A DEFENCEMEN. His job is to play DEFENCE, not cary the puck up and lose it, not break 8 sticks a game trying to shoot the puck 300 MPH, etc. His job is stop the other team from scoring and he is not able to do that.

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12-08-2006, 09:16 PM
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Once again let me repeat this... SHELDON SOURAY IS A DEFENCEMEN. His job is to play DEFENCE, not cary the puck up and lose it, not break 8 sticks a game trying to shoot the puck 300 MPH, etc. His job is stop the other team from scoring and he is not able to do that.
I think this New NHL has redifined the term Defenceman.

And what of defensive forwards? Are they to score, or defend?

No, defencemen can be there to score, example Souray and McCabe, just because they got defence in their name doesnt mean they are defencemen... offensemen or forwards i guess, we have lots of defensive lines/checking lines which dont score goals but rather shut down other teams defence. you get what i'm saying?

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12-08-2006, 09:31 PM
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If we lost Sheldon Souray, who "sucks defensively" but scores goals, we'd have to replace him with someone way down on our depth chart. Someone who "sucks defensively" and doesn't score goals.

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