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10-22-2013, 01:19 AM
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Not only that - but what he brings is redundant with what Andrew Ference brings. Both are #4 defensemen on a team desperately needing #1-#3 defensemen. And it's showing with the non-functionality of any pairing except those featuring Petry in their ability to handle minutes.
If Smid settles into the 3rd pairing at some point, that $3.5m per year contract suddenly looks horrible. I think it's best to move N.Schultz and/or Smid for an upgrade. Both those guys could end up forming a $7m 3rd pairing.

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10-22-2013, 01:22 AM
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With 8 D... I could see us moving one of our D for a forward (specifically a LW). Especially if Hall is out

Smid or NSchultz for something like
to Florida for Kopecky
to San Jose (Boyle's injury) for Kennedy?
to Detroit for Abdelkater/Tootoo
to Colorado for McGinn?

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10-22-2013, 01:52 AM
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Nick Schultz for a 3rd line forward would be legendary.

I'd praise MacT for that one.

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10-22-2013, 01:55 AM
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Nick Schultz for a 3rd line forward would be legendary.

I'd praise MacT for that one.
That would be so perfect.

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10-22-2013, 01:57 AM
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With 8 D... I could see us moving one of our D for a forward (specifically a LW). Especially if Hall is out

Smid or NSchultz for something like
to Florida for Kopecky
to San Jose (Boyle's injury) for Kennedy?
to Detroit for Abdelkater/Tootoo
to Colorado for McGinn?
Yes to Schultz, no to Smid.

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10-22-2013, 02:02 AM
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Yes to Schultz, no to Smid.
Yes to Smid, no to N. Schultz for now.

The return on Smid would clearly be higher, the way he is being deployed he just isn't going to have the kind of success we expect from him. His breakout pass is horrible and we can't have that on this team and N. Schultz has pretty much no trade value now, but will have some value at the deadline when his contract is expiring. So the way I look at it Smid's value is depreciating and N. Schultz value will appreciate so long as he doesn't play awful, as his cap hit will diminish with the term of his contract.

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10-22-2013, 02:04 AM
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Nick Schultz is an impending UFA. Getting any value, even a 7th round pick, for that cap dump would be a positive for this team.

There's no such thing as "waiting" on his value to go up. You're basically waiting for teams not to clue into how bad he is now.

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10-22-2013, 02:20 AM
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Nick Schultz is an impending UFA. Getting any value, even a 7th round pick, for that cap dump would be a positive for this team.

There's no such thing as "waiting" on his value to go up. You're basically waiting for teams not to clue into how bad he is now.
Remember Steve Staios at the end of his time with us, he was brutal yet we still got a pick for him. Defensemen even bad ones carry a premium at the trade deadline, heck even Kurtis Foster had some value at the trade deadline; N. Schultz is substantially better than either of them. Teams always want some defensive depth if they expect to go on a deep playoff run.

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maybe a bigger deal? getting a scorer+goalie back?

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10-22-2013, 03:19 AM
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Posted this in the Jets thread.

Oilers offer:
-Smid
-N.Shultz
- Hemsky
- 1st
- Gagner

For:
- Ladd
- Byfuglien
- Jokinen

Why the Oilers do it:
- Need a #1 Defenceman - Buff is great offensively and adds size to the back-end
- Need a #1 LW - With Hall out, Ladd will fill in. Plus bring Veteran Leadership and grit.
- Jokinen - Brings veteran leadership and allows us to move Gagner

Why the Jets do it:
- Gagner can fill in as 1st or 2nd line centerman, allowing Scheiffle to either get sent down for more seasoning (as some Jets fans have suggested) or play easier minutes on the 3rd line
- Trouba, Enstrom, and Bogosian are great young defenceman, making Buff expendable (Buff being expendable has been suggested as a possibility by Jets fans because he is too old to grow with the core)
- Smid is a solid 2nd pairing defensive defenceman
- N.Schultz might be an upgrade on AHL call ups like Pardy for the 3rd pairing
- Jets get 2 for 1 defencemen, adding depth
- Hemsky can bring added offence and RW depth
- 1st brings the Jets a chance at another high end prospect, especially considering how lowly the Oilers are right now in the standings. (Some Jets fans have suggested a rebuild, the 1st helps huge in this regard)


What do you guys think?

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10-22-2013, 04:03 AM
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If that trade didn't include Jokinen and Gagner, I'd do it in an instant - however, Gagner is the most valuable piece we're giving up in that hypothesized deal, and we'd have to add something else nice going back. 2015 first round? Marincin+Other decent prospect? Just looking at it, I feel like it might favour us too heavily in this case, so I dunno!
We'd also be getting the Jets to take on a lot of salary for two upcoming UFAs being included.

I don't really know a lot about the Jets prospect pool, but I'm assuming that Ladd and Byfuglien won't come easily. I'd rather target just Buff, to be entirely honest, but I can't see the Jets giving him up without a significant piece included. First+Smid? Gagner+ would probably be fair value, but I really don't think he's expendable at this point.

Byfuglien is a very unique player, I don't think I have any idea of what his fair value is.

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10-22-2013, 04:04 AM
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Winnipeg won't trade Ladd.

MacT promised Gagner he wouldn't be traded.


And Jokinen sucks. He wouldn't even beat out Acton for a roster spot.

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10-22-2013, 04:45 AM
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@jordandreger: Oilers trade Yakupov Hemsky and Smid to Philadelphia for Schenn Simmonds and Coburn. #confirmed #NHL #Oilers #Flyers

Supposedly Dregor's nephew. Found on a random twitter search.

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@jordandreger: Oilers trade Yakupov Hemsky and Smid to Philadelphia for Schenn Simmonds and Coburn. #confirmed #NHL #Oilers #Flyers

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10-22-2013, 05:19 AM
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@jordandreger: Oilers trade Yakupov Hemsky and Smid to Philadelphia for Schenn Simmonds and Coburn. #confirmed #NHL #Oilers #Flyers

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Include Couturier and it's a deal!


Center depth

RNH
Schenn
Couturier

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10-22-2013, 07:11 AM
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@jordandreger: Oilers trade Yakupov Hemsky and Smid to Philadelphia for Schenn Simmonds and Coburn. #confirmed #NHL #Oilers #Flyers

Supposedly Dregor's nephew. Found on a random twitter search.
If that's legit, I might just give up on this team.

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10-22-2013, 07:18 AM
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Hall-RNH-Eberle
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Simmonds-Gordon-Joensuu
Gazdic-Arcobello-Whoever

Coburn-Petry
Ference-J.Schultz
N.Schultz-Belov

Upgrade our D, upgrade our C depth while giving up two talented RW's (although Gagner will soften the blow and provide C depth).


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10-22-2013, 07:34 AM
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Listening to the Oilers Big Rig Radio Show.

Someone on the panel suggests trading Hemsky for Ott. Any takers on that? If he's comfortable on the RW, I'd make this move. Highly doubt this is the return Sabres fans are looking for.

These guys seem like they're kinda morons. Afraid to agree on anything and make fun of people for whatever reason... then some dork suggests Yakupov + Marincin + 1st would nab us Weber.

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10-22-2013, 07:59 AM
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Other then the fact that trade makes me want to scream into my pillow for hours on end, it makes no sense. Why would we clear a contract just to take the same number back??

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Oilers trade Yakupov Hemsky and Smid to Philadelphia for Schenn Simmonds and Coburn. #confirmed #NHL #Oilers #Flyers

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@Bob_Stauffer can you ask MacT on the charter home after the game tomorrow when we should expect the trade to be announced?

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@freshprinceofAB @jordandreger I too can confirm this trade. Expect an official tweet from the oilers shortly

hahahah at least its good for a laugh... unless its true then ill slowly start to cry and scream into my pillow, but i'll take my chances lol

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Winnipeg won't trade Ladd.

MacT promised Gagner he wouldn't be traded.


And Jokinen sucks. He wouldn't even beat out Acton for a roster spot.
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Listening to the Oilers Big Rig Radio Show.
He did, but he also promised a bold move.
Someone on the panel suggests trading Hemsky for Ott. Any takers on that? If he's comfortable on the RW, I'd make this move. Highly doubt this is the return Sabres fans are looking for.

These guys seem like they're kinda morons. Afraid to agree on anything and make fun of people for whatever reason... then some dork suggests Yakupov + Marincin + 1st would nab us Weber.
Why does Ott have to play RW? With Hall potentially out there is room on the left side. And yes I'd do Hemsky for Ott, don't see why Buffalo does though.

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Other then the fact that trade makes me want to scream into my pillow for hours on end, it makes no sense. Why would we clear a contract just to take the same number back??

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Oilers trade Yakupov Hemsky and Smid to Philadelphia for Schenn Simmonds and Coburn. #confirmed #NHL #Oilers #Flyers

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@Bob_Stauffer can you ask MacT on the charter home after the game tomorrow when we should expect the trade to be announced?

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@freshprinceofAB @jordandreger I too can confirm this trade. Expect an official tweet from the oilers shortly

hahahah at least its good for a laugh... unless its true then ill slowly start to cry and scream into my pillow, but i'll take my chances lol
If that includes a 1st rounder or 2 then maybe we're talking, geez

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Please tell me that this is a fabricated joke...

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Because the Flyers have the cap space for that..

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10-22-2013, 08:13 AM
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Because the Flyers have the cap space for that..
Actually its really close.. its about $80,000 difference. But that's not including bonus and such but the flyers could make it work.

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Because the Flyers have the cap space for that..
Psst: We could always absorb some salary.

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