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10-21-2013, 06:16 PM
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The AHL is a ''farm'' club. You need to let your players grow there, not mediocre calibre hockey players that have no future. (St-Pierre, Tarnasky, Dumont, Macenauer, Duffy, Aliu and Blunden)
I hate to burst your bubble but Louis Leblanc currently falls into the category of names you just listed.

At any level of professional hockey, ice time is earned and not given. Louis has not earned it with his play. Leblanc will not grow to a better more complete player 'just because' he's playing 20 minutes on the first line It will just make him look even worse than he has already been. What does that tell the other prospects/players? Just because your a first round pick you will get the royal treatment? Who will sign with this organization?

Even so, no hockey player who is a competitor, wants to be handed ice time as a token. Mike Blunden got called up because he gives 'er every shift. He gets top line AHL minutes because of this. That combination is why he leads the team in scoring among forwards.

Louis Leblanc has checked out. He doesn't want to be here anymore nor do they want him around. If he keeps it up like he has, I honnestly wouldn't be surprised if they drop him to Wheeling or make him a healthy scratch eventually.

It'll be impossible to trade him as he has no value and teams know he won't be qualified so they'll just wait to get him for nothing.

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10-21-2013, 06:44 PM
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I hate to burst your bubble but Louis Leblanc currently falls into the category of names you just listed.

At any level of professional hockey, ice time is earned and not given. Louis has not earned it with his play. Leblanc will not grow to a better more complete player 'just because' he's playing 20 minutes on the first line It will just make him look even worse than he has already been. What does that tell the other prospects/players? Just because your a first round pick you will get the royal treatment? Who will sign with this organization?

Even so, no hockey player who is a competitor, wants to be handed ice time as a token. Mike Blunden got called up because he gives 'er every shift. He gets top line AHL minutes because of this. That combination is why he leads the team in scoring among forwards.

Louis Leblanc has checked out. He doesn't want to be here anymore nor do they want him around. If he keeps it up like he has, I honnestly wouldn't be surprised if they drop him to Wheeling or make him a healthy scratch eventually.

It'll be impossible to trade him as he has no value and teams know he won't be qualified so they'll just wait to get him for nothing.
From the sounds of it, I'd be shocked if he ends the year with our organization. He'll probably get traded for another first rounder who's fell out of favour.

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The AHL is a ''farm'' club. You need to let your players grow there, not mediocre calibre hockey players that have no future. (St-Pierre, Tarnasky, Dumont, Macenauer, Duffy, Aliu and Blunden)
Congratulations! You have just displayed a complete lack of insight on how to develop young players. Check out the word "mentor". It might give you an idea of why players like that are on the team

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Who's the "fighter" for the Bulldogs? I see Tarnasky has 0 fights.
Courtnall/McIver thus far.

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Congratulations! You have just displayed a complete lack of insight on how to develop young players. Check out the word "mentor". It might give you an idea of why players like that are on the team
Mentors ? Were talking about players not good enough to get on a NHL team here

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Mentors ? Were talking about players not good enough to get on a NHL team here
They are mentors in the sense of teaching them how to be professionals. How to act on the road, to the media, in the locker room, their role in the community etc.....

Bottom line is AHL teams need players to fill their roster. They can't all be 18 year-olds fresh out of junior.

The 'point of the farm' is for teams to give players that belong to them a place to play professional hockey. They put them all on the same team to keep an eye on them. That means playing against players of all sizes, skill and ages just like they would in the NHL.

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They are mentors in the sense of teaching them how to be professionals. How to act on the road, to the media, in the locker room, their role in the community etc.....

Bottom line is AHL teams need players to fill their roster. They can't all be 18 year-olds fresh out of junior.

The 'point of the farm' is for teams to give players that belong to them a place to play professional hockey. They put them all on the same team to keep an eye on them. That means playing against players of all sizes, skill and ages just like they would in the NHL.
The point is first and foremost to develop/maximize your assets. We're NOT doing that at the moment.

Louis Leblanc, has bad hes been playing for the last year, has no place on a damn AHL 4th line. He should be given all the chances he has by the coaches to work his way up.

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The point is first and foremost to develop/maximize your assets. We're NOT doing that at the moment.

Louis Leblanc, has bad hes been playing for the last year, has no place on a damn AHL 4th line. He should be given all the chances he has by the coaches to work his way up.
He started on the 1st and worked is way down. He must kick his ass to be promoted back.

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10-21-2013, 10:19 PM
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The point is first and foremost to develop/maximize your assets. We're NOT doing that at the moment.

Louis Leblanc, has bad hes been playing for the last year, has no place on a damn AHL 4th line. He should be given all the chances he has by the coaches to work his way up.
That doesn't set the right example. How would you feel if you played with more intensity than some other player but he never gets demoted?

Bergevin mentionned it in 24CH during training camp: "Force us to make a move". If Leblanc plays well, they will reward him.

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The point is first and foremost to develop/maximize your assets. We're NOT doing that at the moment.

Louis Leblanc, has bad hes been playing for the last year, has no place on a damn AHL 4th line. He should be given all the chances he has by the coaches to work his way up.
I agree with this. He's a multi-year vet with a good offensive skill set..... not to mention a former 1st round pick. Bottom line, he's got potential to produce and he can't do that on the 4th line. He had the same issue last year.

Let him build confidence and work on his game. Give him the best opportunity to succeed possible. Sylvain has not been patient with him and hasn't given him a fair chance, no other prospect in our system is being treated like Leblanc (apart from Collberg). How is he supposed to produce on a 4th line? I think the expectations for Leblanc are ridiculous. It shouldn't be superstar OR AHL 4th liner.

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I agree with this. He's a multi-year vet with a good offensive skill set..... not to mention a former 1st round pick. Bottom line, he's got potential to produce and he can't do that on the 4th line. He had the same issue last year.

Let him build confidence and work on his game. Give him the best opportunity to succeed possible. Sylvain has not been patient with him and hasn't given him a fair chance, no other prospect in our system is being treated like Leblanc (apart from Collberg). How is he supposed to produce on a 4th line? I think the expectations for Leblanc are ridiculous. It shouldn't be superstar OR AHL 4th liner.
Look at how bournival was still able to shine on a 4th line on the Habs... Now he's practicing. On the first. Even though he wasn't getting the most points, we still saw he was creating chances and was playing well. Leblanc just looks like crap on the 4th line... He really isn't showing much. If he showed that he's creating chances and making things happen and playing well, then he'll get a shot, till then, enjoy the 4th line.

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Look at how bournival was still able to shine on a 4th line on the Habs... Now he's practicing. On the first. Even though he wasn't getting the most points, we still saw he was creating chances and was playing well. Leblanc just looks like crap on the 4th line... He really isn't showing much. If he showed that he's creating chances and making things happen and playing well, then he'll get a shot, till then, enjoy the 4th line.
It didn't work last year, why would it work now?

He needs to at least get back to where he was before the ankle injury, we know he's capable of being way better. Try a different approach, this one obviously isn't working.

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10-22-2013, 07:37 AM
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That doesn't set the right example. How would you feel if you played with more intensity than some other player but he never gets demoted?

Bergevin mentionned it in 24CH during training camp: "Force us to make a move". If Leblanc plays well, they will reward him.
How would you explain the Desharnais fiasco?

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How would you explain the Desharnais fiasco?
He has been demoted to less ice-time as games went on (this season). First game DD played 18 mins and the last few games he has hovered around 13 mins even with injuries during the game.

Anyways, Leblanc is a rookie and Desharnais is not. DD ripped up the AHL two years in a row and did well in his call up.

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He has been demoted to less ice-time as games went on (this season). First game DD played 18 mins and the last few games he has hovered around 13 mins even with injuries during the game.

Anyways, Leblanc is a rookie and Desharnais is not. DD ripped up the AHL two years in a row and did well in his call up.
DD was given most of his chances and he hasn't been demoted to 4th line duty in the AHL.

Both situation are not similar, one has never been injured while the other was. The LL case is a bad example of assets management, because this guy still has value. Look at paajarvi.

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DD was given most of his chances and he hasn't been demoted to 4th line duty in the AHL.

Both situation are not similar, one has never been injured while the other was. The LL case is a bad example of assets management, because this guy still has value. Look at paajarvi.
DD wasn't given anything, he ripped up the ECHL, ripped up the AHL, and earned a spot. I'm not his biggest fan, but he worked his way in the NHL.

And Paajarvi had some value because after years of playing ok, he finally started showing something last year. Now is the time for Louis to show something. He doesn't have to score every game on the 4th line, he just needs to be the hardest working player on the ice who is listening to his coach, making things happen, and forcing the organization to promote him.

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DD wasn't given anything, he ripped up the ECHL, ripped up the AHL, and earned a spot. I'm not his biggest fan, but he worked his way in the NHL.

And Paajarvi had some value because after years of playing ok, he finally started showing something last year. Now is the time for Louis to show something. He doesn't have to score every game on the 4th line, he just needs to be the hardest working player on the ice who is listening to his coach, making things happen, and forcing the organization to promote him.

Louis did that. He worked his ass off in the camp, now ...after 4 games he's on the 4th line

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Louis did that. He worked his ass off in the camp, now ...after 4 games he's on the 4th line
Desharnais worked his ass off for 1 year in the ECHL, 2.5 years in the AHL, 1.5 years in the NHL.

(I should say that DD worked his ass off AND performed well.)

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Desharnais worked his ass off for 1 year in the ECHL, 2.5 years in the AHL, 1.5 years in the NHL.
I'd be happy if someone came in here and told me how many games poor DD has spent on the 4th in his career

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I'd be happy if someone came in here and told me how many games poor DD has spent on the 4th in his career
Not many because he has ALMOST always performed. It's simple... you don't perform --> demotion. It's up to LL to work harder and get back onto the top line.

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Not many because he has ALMOST always performed. It's simple... you don't perform --> demotion. It's up to LL to work harder and get back onto the top line.
My guess is he probably had 3 terrible games once in his career and he wasn't demoted.

Twist it every way you want ... It's bad assets management. It's like a restaurant server telling you that X meal is bad.

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My guess is he probably had 3 terrible games once in his career and he wasn't demoted.

Twist it every way you want ... It's bad assets management. It's like a restaurant server telling you that X meal is bad.
Ok but Leblanc had a terrible season last year too... 4 games in training camp doesn't change that.

Leblanc has never DOMINATED any professional level. Had a terrible year last year and now has started off terribly.

Twist it every way you want... this isn't kindergarten where participation is the only thing that counts. You have to work hard and earn your ice-time. Watch the Bruins behind-the-scenes training camp video. Where you were drafted doesn't matter anymore. Just because Leblanc is a first rounder doesn't mean that Lefebvre has to take him by the hand and compliment him on his hair or eyes. It's not bad asset management because other players who deserve to be playing on the first line are developing better.

If you take 1 game off, that's okay. 2 games off... ok. But half a season off?

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Louis did that. He worked his ass off in the camp, now ...after 4 games he's on the 4th line
Where would you play a guy that has zero points. Imagine how is linemates must feel

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Mentors ? Were talking about players not good enough to get on a NHL team here
The same way guys like Gionta Bouillon Plekanec Markov Gorges are leaders in Montreal...giving the example to young guys. Having a team full of 20 year old prospects is a bad idea.

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What a horrible pick LL was in retrospect. No size, no toughness, not a very good skater and to top it all off not skilled enough to play in top 6. Lol a people trying to defend the play of LL.

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