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10-22-2013, 01:10 PM
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Guess they'll have to wait a few weeks before they can pull the trigger on that "Yak for scrubs" deal everyone keeps talking about.

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10-22-2013, 01:54 PM
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From the looks of the hit I've had a similiar injury to this before. I'm not going to sit here and say we're even remotely close, but the way he took the hit and how he thought it was ok enough to skate on it after was exactly how I felt. The knee feels loose, but walkable. When you dangle it, that's when the pain comes in and there's no lateral movement. My hit was from indoor soccer though.

The injury I had took 4-5 months to recover from with only light running allowed, no physical activity.

Let's hope he is mentally and physically ready to come back in 4 weeks, but to be honest I think that's a super optimistic timeframe. I'd say about 2-4 months for a pro athlete.

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10-22-2013, 01:58 PM
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From the looks of the hit I've had a similiar injury to this before. I'm not going to sit here and say we're even remotely close, but the way he took the hit and how he thought it was ok enough to skate on it after was exactly how I felt. The knee feels loose, but walkable. When you dangle it, that's when the pain comes in and there's no lateral movement. My hit was from indoor soccer though.

The injury I had took 4-5 months to recover from with only light running allowed, no physical activity.

Let's hope he is mentally and physically ready to come back in 4 weeks, but to be honest I think that's a super optimistic timeframe. I'd say about 2-4 months for a pro athlete.
i think there is a wide range of possible outcomes from this injury, obviously dependent upon the severity of the original damage... but i think you are correct that the time line could easily be up to 4-5 months.... we won't know until we know

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10-22-2013, 02:06 PM
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4 weeks is tough but not horrible someone else has to step up though

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10-22-2013, 02:09 PM
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4 weeks is a pretty standard recovery time for a grade 1-2 MCL strain.

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10-22-2013, 02:17 PM
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i have a feeling our team will improve without hall in the lineup

The bakery is going to be low on turnovers
Despite that Hall turns the puck over a lot, this does have to with the fact that he generally has the puck more than any other Oilers forward.

If you're going to say that the team will benefit from fewer turnovers, you also need to acknowledge that the team will be hurt by missing a player that generates a lot of offense. Regardless what you think of Hall's game, I think most would agree that the good things he does on a regular basis outweigh the bad.

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10-22-2013, 02:32 PM
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Mild Grade 2 tear. My guess is he'll return in less than 4 week froms now. He's 21.

Recovery times differ depending on the severity of the injury:

A minor, or grade 1, MCL tear can take from a few days to a week and a half to heal sufficiently for you to return to normal activities, including sports.
A grade 2 tear can take from two to four weeks to heal.
A grade 3 tear usually takes from four to eight weeks to heal, unless it is associated with damage to the ACL, in which case the recovery time may be longer.


A first degree sprain is damage to only a few ligament fibres.
A second degree sprain is damage to a more extensive number of ligament fibres, but the ligament remains intact.
A third degree sprain is a complete rupture of the ligament. Because of the force involved in this injury other structures in the knee, such as the Meniscus (Cartilage) or the Anterior Cruciate Ligament can also be damaged.

Sounds like he avoided any real damage so if this is true long term or reinjury should not be a concern after the initial recovery. No damage to ligament is key. Expect him to miss 12 gms and be back in early November.

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10-22-2013, 02:37 PM
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Recovery times differ depending on the severity of the injury:

A minor, or grade 1, MCL tear can take from a few days to a week and a half to heal sufficiently for you to return to normal activities, including sports.
A grade 2 tear can take from two to four weeks to heal.
A grade 3 tear usually takes from four to eight weeks to heal, unless it is associated with damage to the ACL, in which case the recovery time may be longer.


A first degree sprain is damage to only a few ligament fibres.
A second degree sprain is damage to a more extensive number of ligament fibres, but the ligament remains intact.
A third degree sprain is a complete rupture of the ligament. Because of the force involved in this injury other structures in the knee, such as the Meniscus (Cartilage) or the Anterior Cruciate Ligament can also be damaged.

Sounds like he avoided any real damage so if this is true long term or reinjury should not be a concern after the initial recovery. No damage to ligament is key. Expect him to miss 12 gms and be back in early November.
I think like RNH and Gagner, MacT is giving a pessimistic timeline. Who could blame him after his optimistic "bold" move statement?

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10-22-2013, 02:47 PM
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From the looks of the hit I've had a similiar injury to this before. I'm not going to sit here and say we're even remotely close, but the way he took the hit and how he thought it was ok enough to skate on it after was exactly how I felt. The knee feels loose, but walkable. When you dangle it, that's when the pain comes in and there's no lateral movement. My hit was from indoor soccer though.

The injury I had took 4-5 months to recover from with only light running allowed, no physical activity.

Let's hope he is mentally and physically ready to come back in 4 weeks, but to be honest I think that's a super optimistic timeframe. I'd say about 2-4 months for a pro athlete.
I experienced the same type of injury in Hawaii body surfing. I actually had to move from Victoria because the moisture still causes pain. It's been 3 1/2 years for me.

When you see the replay of him taking the wrist shot after the penalty my wife says to me that's exactly what happened to you.

From my experience he will eventually tear it completely and have to get it reconstructed.

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10-22-2013, 03:02 PM
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Based on what I saw, it's likely he'll be out more than 4 weeks. In fact he may never fully walk again. After losing his hockey career, he'll probably go into a deep depression and turn to drugs. The same injury happened to me about five years ago. I lost my job and now I'm on the streets. I hijacked somebody's iphone to post this.

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10-22-2013, 03:05 PM
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I experienced the same type of injury in Hawaii body surfing. I actually had to move from Victoria because the moisture still causes pain. It's been 3 1/2 years for me.

When you see the replay of him taking the wrist shot after the penalty my wife says to me that's exactly what happened to you.

From my experience he will eventually tear it completely and have to get it reconstructed.
No offense, but your experience has no impact on the prognosis of Taylor Hall. As knee injuries are relatively common I know people want to relate to this situation; however, we should trust the diagnosis and treatment of an orthopedic specialist who has examined this particular injury over that of personal anecdotes. There always is a chance that the specialist could be wrong, but they are significantly more likely to be correct.

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Based on what I saw, it's likely he'll be out more than 4 weeks. In fact he may never fully walk again. After losing his hockey career, he'll probably go into a deep depression and turn to drugs. The same injury happened to me about five years ago. I lost my job and now I'm on the streets. I hijacked somebody's iphone to post this.
Well played.

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10-22-2013, 03:07 PM
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Based on what I saw, it's likely he'll be out more than 4 weeks. In fact he may never fully walk again. After losing his hockey career, he'll probably go into a deep depression and turn to drugs. The same injury happened to me about five years ago. I lost my job and now I'm on the streets. I hijacked somebody's iphone to post this.

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10-22-2013, 03:41 PM
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Based on what I saw, it's likely he'll be out more than 4 weeks. In fact he may never fully walk again. After losing his hockey career, he'll probably go into a deep depression and turn to drugs. The same injury happened to me about five years ago. I lost my job and now I'm on the streets. I hijacked somebody's iphone to post this.
nicely done

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10-22-2013, 03:58 PM
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I can't help but assume this takes him out of the running for the Olympic team. Unless he can come back and play lights out in December.

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10-22-2013, 04:09 PM
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I can't help but assume this takes him out of the running for the Olympic team. Unless he can come back and play lights out in December.
Said from day 1 that would be the best thing to happen to this team. Guys not making the Olympic team play to prove people wrong. End up with Hall, Eberle and Yak playing with fire to finish the year and it could be exactly the boost this team needs.

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10-22-2013, 04:20 PM
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I can't help but assume this takes him out of the running for the Olympic team. Unless he can come back and play lights out in December.
He's not making it, he played pretty bad to start the year and now he's hurt.

It sucks

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10-22-2013, 04:33 PM
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He's not making it, he played pretty bad to start the year and now he's hurt.

It sucks
Playing bad and still a PPG.... I could see him on the 3rd or 4th line. My dark horse is Eberle, won't be surprised if he gets the call.

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10-22-2013, 04:42 PM
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Playing bad and still a PPG.... I could see him on the 3rd or 4th line. My dark horse is Eberle, won't be surprised if he gets the call.
Yeah and he has the most giveaways out of every forward in the entire NHL.

The points are there but his game has been a bit of a mess. I was almost certain he'd make it after last season but now I think it's bleak.

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10-22-2013, 04:43 PM
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A lot of these guys posting about their long term struggles with their injuries might have had some ACL pathology to go with it. Unless it was a complete rupture or featured ACL damage as well there's no reason for the instability to persist beyond 4-6 weeks. Often times an ACL injury also goes hand in hand with an MCL tear, just because of the mechanism.

MRI's are pretty accurate in terms of classification of severity for these injuries. No reason to expect a severe extension of Hall's absence unless there's a setback in the rehab process.

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10-22-2013, 05:11 PM
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Ottawa lost their norris trophy Dman, their starting goalie and their top forward/center last year. Hung in there and made the playoffs. Just when are the oilers going to actually overachieve a wee bit and over come injuries that all other teams have to deal with and get some results.

The excuses will never end with this team. Injuries, new coach and system every second year...yada yada yada. We have more skilled guys than we can fit on the top two lines so we should be able to over come the Hall injury.
yup. bottom line is they are not that good, while other teams are. this pretty much salts the season. looking at another top 5 pick, maybe top 3.

pessimistic? Yes. when i see the tiniest shread of reason for hope, i might change my mind.

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I can't help but assume this takes him out of the running for the Olympic team. Unless he can come back and play lights out in December.
Good. The rest will do him some good. I have little interest in watching the Canadian team mail it in again on Euro ice, may as we'll stay home.

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10-22-2013, 05:39 PM
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Yeah and he has the most giveaways out of every forward in the entire NHL.

The points are there but his game has been a bit of a mess. I was almost certain he'd make it after last season but now I think it's bleak.
He was playing 25min a game, look at some of the other guys just below and tied with him in giveaways. I'm sure there's two to three other forwards in the top 30 in giveaways this season that will be on team canada.

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Ebs will make it barring injury. That being said, and knowing how Eakins will ride him this season, he will likely be injured.

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How many times has hall been injured in his short career? The guy has already suffered a concussion, sprained knee, massive shoulder repair, might even need a knee repair and the guy is 21. The guy plays a reckless style and its piling up.
Pretty well it, he plays just way one dimentional hockey, "Full Steam Ahead" maybe that'll work in the minors but not in the NHL. I mean this was a freak injury, but if it wasn't this one, would of been another injury., he's all heart and effort but I wonder about his hockey IQ overall

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He was playing 25min a game, look at some of the other guys just below and tied with him in giveaways. I'm sure there's two to three other forwards in the top 30 in giveaways this season that will be on team canada.
Forsure, it's not the only reason holding him back but it's one of them. I personally don't think he's been nearly as good as he can be. He always starts slow so I was looking forward to watching him hit his stride in the next few weeks... now the injury.

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