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Taylor Hall vs John Tavares

View Poll Results: Who is the better player?
Taylor Hall 23 8.75%
John Tavares 240 91.25%
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10-23-2013, 11:39 AM
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I think they're basically equal. I'll vote Hall though just because Tavares is the most overrated player on this site.

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10-23-2013, 11:44 AM
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Hmm Hall vs HF's most overrated player.. Somehow it is Tavares AINEC even though Hall has put up better numbers than Tavares in their first 3 years. And also last year he had more points in less games than Tavares, but shortened season so it doesn't count

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10-23-2013, 11:47 AM
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Lol OP, what did you expect with these results? It's god damn TavaresBoards

If you asked from 30 NHL GM's I'm pretty sure it would be 50-50, maybe 60-40 Hall's win.

Hall:
+ Younger
+ Similar production
+ Brings physical element
+ Better defensively

Tavares:
+ Center
+ Better goal scorer

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10-23-2013, 11:48 AM
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Based on pretty much everything but their 3rd seasons.
What? Hall has outperformed Duchene at every comparable season. The only thing that is working in Duchene's favour is his health.

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10-23-2013, 11:51 AM
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Lol OP, what did you expect with these results? It's god damn TavaresBoards

If you asked from 30 NHL GM's I'm pretty sure it would be 50-50, maybe 60-40 Hall's win.

Hall:
+ Younger
+ Similar production
+ Brings physical element
+ Better defensively

Tavares:
+ Center
+ Better goal scorer
And what credibility do you have to make a statement like that? You don't so don't make wild accusations that you have no way of proving or backing up.

Also, you fail to mention that Tavares has high end hockey intelligence... something that Taylor Hall lacks. That's a big omission, a huge one actually.

EDIT: Oh yeah, durability too. I guess that doesn't matter to you since it would negatively affect Hall's PPG stat which is the only stat that ever seems to be mentioned about him.


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10-23-2013, 11:52 AM
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And what credibility do you have to make a statement like that? You don't so don't make wild accusations that you have no way of proving or backing up.
Don't even bother with that guy, he clearly doesn't watch the Isles at all. He didn't even know who Josh Bailey was. He said Tavares would get 50-60 points this year.

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10-23-2013, 11:55 AM
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Hall's relative lack of hockey IQ is what holds him back against Tavares imo.

Both of them are superstars though so there isn't too much to complain about. I'd be estatic if the Wild would have either of them.

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10-23-2013, 11:57 AM
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What? Hall has outperformed Duchene at every comparable season. The only thing that is working in Duchene's favour is his health.
Yeah, the oh so important PPG category. It's almost as important as the 'what if' category.

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10-23-2013, 11:57 AM
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Hmm Hall vs HF's most overrated player.. Somehow it is Tavares AINEC even though Hall has put up better numbers than Tavares in their first 3 years. And also last year he had more points in less games than Tavares, but shortened season so it doesn't count
How many people in this thread have already said that it's close? Seriously, Oiler fans always feel like they're the victim. How exactly has he put up better numbers? The only thing he has is an inflated PPG due to playing shortened seasons.

Tavares has the best season between the 2, his 81 points easily trumps Hall's shortened season success, and it's not close. Nobody said it doesn't count, but you take it with a grain of salt, but since you like small sample sizes so much, then should Hall be considered a huge defensive liability and a massive turnover machine based on the 8 games he's played so far?

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10-23-2013, 12:04 PM
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doesn't Tavares have to put up PPG numbers too? which he hasn't done yet in the NHL
Well except for the fact that he has.... and please don't tell me you are basing this argument on Tavares only have 81 points in 82 games.

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10-23-2013, 12:05 PM
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Tavares, easily.

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10-23-2013, 12:09 PM
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Well except for the fact that he has.... and please don't tell me you are basing this argument on Tavares only have 81 points in 82 games.
No, it doesn't count IMO, but 81 points in 82 games trumps 50 in 45 anyway.

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10-23-2013, 12:09 PM
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If you say who is a better player, and then compare a C to a LW ... you just cant do that without a specific rule-set... so IMO what you have to do is say who is a better player at their position... IMO Hall is more of a top LW than Tavares is a TOP C around the league

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10-23-2013, 12:16 PM
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If you say who is a better player, and then compare a C to a LW ... you just cant do that without a specific rule-set... so IMO what you have to do is say who is a better player at their position... IMO Hall is more of a top LW than Tavares is a TOP C around the league
That's even more ridiculous, so Kunitz is better than Stamkos because he's more of a top LW than Stamkos is a C.

Good to know.

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10-23-2013, 12:27 PM
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10-23-2013, 12:40 PM
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Hall has out produced Tavares at every level. Tavares lives off his draft hype. He's a tremendous player but to say this isn't close is ridiculous. It can go either way (I went with Hall) but the talk of JT being a top 5 forward needs to stop until he actually does something to prove it other than scoring a PPG. Guys like Spezza, Zetterberg, Backstrom, Getzlaf and others are just as good if not better than JT but for some reason (draft hype) they don't get the same amount of love.

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10-23-2013, 12:40 PM
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Yeah, the oh so important PPG category. It's almost as important as the 'what if' category.
it's quite important...when Hall plays, he's outperformed Duchene every year

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10-23-2013, 12:46 PM
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Hall has out produced Tavares at every level. Tavares lives off his draft hype. He's a tremendous player but to say this isn't close is ridiculous. It can go either way (I went with Hall) but the talk of JT being a top 5 forward needs to stop until he actually does something to prove it other than scoring a PPG. Guys like Spezza, Zetterberg, Backstrom, Getzlaf and others are just as good if not better than JT but for some reason (draft hype) they don't get the same amount of love.
this

Tavares is vastly overrated
-he's a career minus player
-never had a PPG season

he should comparing Hall' first 3 seasons with Tavares' first 3 seasons..then it's almost equal

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it's quite important...when Hall plays, he's outperformed Duchene every year
2010-2011:

Matt Duchene: 80GP: 27-40-67
Taylor Hall: 65GP: 22-20-42

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this

Tavares is vastly overrated
-he's a career minus player
-never had a PPG season

he should comparing Hall' first 3 seasons with Tavares' first 3 seasons..then it's almost equal
Hall is equally overrated:
-also a career minus player
-has a career high 53 points
-injury prone
-never played over 65 games a season

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John Tavares by a decent margin. Not only is he the better player, but if I were choosing one of them to start a franchise it would be Tavares AINEC. I'm not going to say anything about leadership because I don't know what goes on in the dressing room, even though Tavares is captain and Hall is not (but he was considered). But from what I do know about their off-ice antics is Hall is more interested in partying while Tavares has a lot more dedication to improving his game. Hall also seems to be a lightning rod for injuries.

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10-23-2013, 12:53 PM
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Lol OP, what did you expect with these results? It's god damn TavaresBoards

If you asked from 30 NHL GM's I'm pretty sure it would be 50-50, maybe 60-40 Hall's win.

Hall:
+ Younger
+ Similar production
+ Brings physical element
+ Better defensively

Tavares:
+ Center
+ Better goal scorer
Tavares. Thanks.

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this

Tavares is vastly overrated
-he's a career minus player
-never had a PPG season

he should comparing Hall' first 3 seasons with Tavares' first 3 seasons..then it's almost equal
Hall is a -13 for career (180 games)

Tavares -23 (300 games)

Both average .07 - minus a game... can't hold that against JT when Hall has just as bad numbers.

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Oiler fan saying Tavares

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10-23-2013, 12:58 PM
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Hall has out produced Tavares at every level. Tavares lives off his draft hype. He's a tremendous player but to say this isn't close is ridiculous. It can go either way (I went with Hall) but the talk of JT being a top 5 forward needs to stop until he actually does something to prove it other than scoring a PPG. Guys like Spezza, Zetterberg, Backstrom, Getzlaf and others are just as good if not better than JT but for some reason (draft hype) they don't get the same amount of love.
LOL, especially the "every level" part

When hall plays even 70 games in a single season, come back and talk to me about PPG stats

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