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12-10-2006, 12:05 AM
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So maybe the shootout isn't Huet's thing...

I love Huet, I think he's great and that he's a legit #1 in this league. I also believe he's more than good enough to be part of the quest for #25.

However, he seems to struggle with the shootout. Could a possible solution be to pull him in the shootout and put in Abby?

Food for thought!

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12-10-2006, 12:30 AM
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honestly the answer is clearly NO .
just score more goals to avoid the shootout . problem solved


Miikka Kiprusoff has a career shootout record of 1 win-8 loses in 9 shootouts . Should the Calgary Flames pull him to put in McLennan?


Shootout = gimmick .


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12-10-2006, 12:30 AM
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Could a possible solution be to pull him in the shootout and put in Abby?

Food for thought!
nah...

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He was brilliant in the shoutout durring is hot streak.

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No.
There's no way in hell Guy would pull his goalie who had just played 65 mins of hockey in favour of a guy who sat on the bench all night.
Unless of course, Guy knew the goalie he was putting in had the better glove hand, and that the shooter was gong to triple deke then go glove side.

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I love Huet, I think he's great and that he's a legit #1 in this league. I also believe he's more than good enough to be part of the quest for #25.

However, he seems to struggle with the shootout. Could a possible solution be to pull him in the shootout and put in Abby?

Food for thought!
You should never replace a goalie simply for the shootout. It completely robs the netminder of confidence (in that they don't trust him to win the game), and creates rifts within the team.

Last year, the Oilers were in a shootout. Ty Conklin played the entire game, and played fairly well. Then all of a sudden, Mike Morrison was called upon to play the shootout. Conklin was furious about it throwing his mask against the bench on his way out of the net, and that was probably his last game as an Oiler (prior to Game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals, where he did an awful job in mopping up for Roloson after he got hurt). It was a low class move by MacTavish, because Conklin played well enough to get them to that point, and MacT didn't give him the chance to win the game in the end.

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12-10-2006, 12:44 AM
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Sounds interesting.. I remember it once worked well for the Mighty Ducks.

But.. nah. Although Huet was kind of disappointing in the shootouts, you can't really do that. Anyways, Huet can do the job.. he needs to get his confidence back. He looked pretty shaky in front of the nets lately..

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There's no way in hell Guy would pull his goalie who had just played 65 mins of hockey in favour of a guy who sat on the bench all night.
Well Hartley did once in Atlanta, so it's not entirely unthinkable, but I don't like the idea either. Yes Huet sucks in shootouts, but what's the only way he's going to improve? By playing in more shootouts.

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Well Hartley did once in Atlanta, so it's not entirely unthinkable, but I don't like the idea either. Yes Huet sucks in shootouts, but what's the only way he's going to improve? By playing in more shootouts.


Miikka Kiprusoff in 9 shootouts has lost 8 times .

is he getting any better?

the shootout is a gimmick . Why doesnt the NBA have 3 point shootout contest to decide the winner after a tie game in overtime?

or why doesnt baseball have a home run derby to decide a tie ball game ?

i hope the shootout is phased out . Im not a fan of it .

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Well Hartley did once in Atlanta, so it's not entirely unthinkable, but I don't like the idea either. Yes Huet sucks in shootouts, but what's the only way he's going to improve? By playing in more shootouts.
MacT also did it last season when he pulled conklin for the SO and put in either markannen or morrison

I think its a terrible thing to do. Its gotta be embarassing and demoralizing for the goalie when they get pulled for the SO. It means the coach doesn't trust that you can get the job done.

As for our shootout situation.... Huet has been unlucky enough to face the sabres twice in the shootout... and the fact of the matter is that the sabres rarely lose these breakaway battles... and it shows in their overall record.

I dont think its a problem. Abby and huet are a combined 4-4... and since the shootout is theoretically a 50/50 chance at winning, a 4-4 record is pretty acceptable.

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Miikka Kiprusoff in 9 shootouts has lost 8 times .

is he getting any better?

the shootout is a gimmick . Why doesnt the NBA have 3 point shootout contest to decide the winner after a tie game in overtime?
Well what am I supposed to say? "Okay I'll talk to Bettman and we'll try and do away with them ASAP"? We're not here to debate the legitimacy of the shootout as a tiebreaker - that's been done a thousand times.

Obviously certain goalies are going to be better at stopping 1-on-1 chances than others, it's a trait that's not common to everybody. And it's difficult to recreate a true shootout atmosphere in practice, so logic would dictate that practice would make perfect (or, would at least help).

The other option would be to score more goals and avoid shootouts altogether but let's not deal in hypotheticals now.

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Does the problem lie with Huet? I'm not so sure he could have stopped the Vanek shot. The Briere goal upset me because Huet's stick wasn't plugging the 5-hole. However, that was offset by Miller's overplaying Kovalev.

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You should never replace a goalie simply for the shootout. It completely robs the netminder of confidence (in that they don't trust him to win the game), and creates rifts within the team.

Last year, the Oilers were in a shootout. Ty Conklin played the entire game, and played fairly well. Then all of a sudden, Mike Morrison was called upon to play the shootout. Conklin was furious about it throwing his mask against the bench on his way out of the net, and that was probably his last game as an Oiler (prior to Game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals, where he did an awful job in mopping up for Roloson after he got hurt). It was a low class move by MacTavish, because Conklin played well enough to get them to that point, and MacT didn't give him the chance to win the game in the end.
Had Morrison and Conklin played shootouts that year previously? If so maybe Morrison had a better record in them.

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Miikka Kiprusoff in 9 shootouts has lost 8 times .

is he getting any better?

the shootout is a gimmick . Why doesnt the NBA have 3 point shootout contest to decide the winner after a tie game in overtime?

or why doesnt baseball have a home run derby to decide a tie ball game ?

i hope the shootout is phased out . Im not a fan of it .
NBA count the number of overtime games.
Baseball count the number of overtime games.


Hockey got at least 2x or 3x more overtimes ratio.

I like the shootout personnaly, some games just cant end and im def not against changing the goalie for the shootout. Think of it like the 9th inning specialists, to close the game.

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honestly the answer is clearly NO .
just score more goals to avoid the shootout . problem solved


Miikka Kiprusoff has a career shootout record of 1 win-8 loses in 9 shootouts . Should the Calgary Flames pull him to put in McLennan?


Shootout = gimmick .
Agreed, especially that last part. And the way to fix it would be 3pts for regulation win 2 for overtime or so and one for loss in so or overtime.

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NBA count the number of overtime games.
Baseball count the number of overtime games.


Hockey got at least 2x or 3x more overtimes ratio.

I like the shootout personnaly, some games just cant end and im def not against changing the goalie for the shootout. Think of it like the 9th inning specialists, to close the game.
Good points

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just to play devils advocate,

there's certain shut out specialists (pierre dagenais is i remember correctly) on forward

why not in nets?

though me myself i'm impartial on the matter

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Agreed, especially that last part. And the way to fix it would be 3pts for regulation win 2 for overtime or so and one for loss in so or overtime.
I'd be all for that too. As it is, regular time draws are awarded one more point than the games that don't go into OT. That's not fair...

Back on the topic, I don't really mind if we're not too good on shootouts, as long as it doesn't cost us a playoff berth. And I don't care if the Sabres grab extra points with the shootout. There's none in the playoffs, and that's all that matters, isn't it ? We're 1-1 with 2 undecided games against Buffalo this year, as far as I'm concerned.

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They did it in the Mighty Duck movie and it worked!

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Miikka Kiprusoff in 9 shootouts has lost 8 times .

is he getting any better?

the shootout is a gimmick . Why doesnt the NBA have 3 point shootout contest to decide the winner after a tie game in overtime?

or why doesnt baseball have a home run derby to decide a tie ball game ?

i hope the shootout is phased out . Im not a fan of it .
It's much easier and quicker to get an overtime in basketball because points are scored so often.
In baseball since it's not such a demanding sport physicaly then can play the game until they have a winner.
Can you seriously imagine the Habs playing 7 periods of hockey on friday night in Chicago. Leave the town at like 4 AM and Have a game at 7 pm the following night?
I'll ask you a question....Why arent there any double headers in hockey? Baseball has them....

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I love Huet, I think he's great and that he's a legit #1 in this league. I also believe he's more than good enough to be part of the quest for #25.

However, he seems to struggle with the shootout. Could a possible solution be to pull him in the shootout and put in Abby?

Food for thought!
There's no real reason to worry about it. I hate losing 'em, but there's no shootouts in the playoffs.

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I love Huet, I think he's great and that he's a legit #1 in this league. I also believe he's more than good enough to be part of the quest for #25.

However, he seems to struggle with the shootout. Could a possible solution be to pull him in the shootout and put in Abby?

Food for thought!
You really want some food for thought? Huet is 2 wins 3 losses in shootouts. 2 of those losses were against Buffalo and one against Ottawa. Personally I don't think losing two shootouts against the best offensive team in the league is all that bad. If you really are looking for someone to blame, look at the 4 minute powerplay without a goal being scored.


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I love Huet, I think he's great and that he's a legit #1 in this league. I also believe he's more than good enough to be part of the quest for #25.

However, he seems to struggle with the shootout. Could a possible solution be to pull him in the shootout and put in Abby?

Food for thought!
2 softies yesterday.. The reason why we lost is that Miller has been better than Huet..

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2 softies yesterday.. The reason why we lost is that Miller has been better than Huet..
Not according to their respective stats.

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Not according to their respective stats.
We were more dangerous than the Sabres last night, I thought we deserved better, we were the better team for the most part.

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