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10-24-2013, 04:21 PM
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Alright.. rank the following F+D duos in terms of Oilers needs:

TOR: Gardiner + Kulemin
OTT: Cowen + Z.Smith
FLA: Kulikov + Matthias
PHI: Coburn + Simmonds
OTT: Myers + Ott
NYR: Girardi + Kreider
PHI: Coburn + Simmonds (obviously)
NYR: Girardi + Kreider (Girardi would be awesome to get and I think Kreider would thrive here)
BUF: Myers + Ott (We need a player like Ott and Myers still has potential)
OTT: Cowen + Z.Smith (Cowen is the best player out of anyone left..)
FLA: Kulikov + Matthias (Kulikov > Gardiner for me)
TOR: Gardiner + Kulemin

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10-24-2013, 04:26 PM
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PHI: Coburn + Simmonds (obviously)
NYR: Girardi + Kreider (Girardi would be awesome to get and I think Kreider would thrive here)
BUF: Myers + Ott (We need a player like Ott and Myers still has potential)
OTT: Cowen + Z.Smith (Cowen is the best player out of anyone left..)
FLA: Kulikov + Matthias (Kulikov > Gardiner for me)
TOR: Gardiner + Kulemin
I would switch around NYR & BUF, but otherwise agree.

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10-24-2013, 04:27 PM
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Alright.. rank the following F+D duos in terms of Oilers needs:

TOR: Gardiner + Kulemin
OTT: Cowen + Z.Smith
FLA: Kulikov + Matthias
PHI: Coburn + Simmonds
OTT: Myers + Ott
NYR: Girardi + Kreider
Coburn Simmonds
Giradi Kreider
Gardiner Kulemin
Kulikov Matthias
Myers Ott
Cowen Z Smith


IMO.

In terms of D, Girardi > Coburn/Kulikov > Gardiner > Myers > Cowen
In terms of F, Simmonds > Kulemin > Ott > Kreider > Smith > Matthias

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10-24-2013, 04:36 PM
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I would switch around NYR & BUF, but otherwise agree.
Did you factor in contracts of Myers and Girardi?

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10-24-2013, 04:39 PM
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Also, I will be surprised to see Kulikov or Girardi shipped out.

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10-24-2013, 04:48 PM
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Alright.. rank the following F+D duos in terms of Oilers needs:

TOR: Gardiner + Kulemin
OTT: Cowen + Z.Smith
FLA: Kulikov + Matthias
PHI: Coburn + Simmonds
OTT: Myers + Ott
NYR: Girardi + Kreider
Girardi if signed + Kreider
Coburn + Simmonds
Kulikov + Matthias
Gardiner + Kulemin
Cowen + Smith
Myers + Ott (Myers is horrible at his price)

I think Kreider turns it around. I also am very high on Kulikov.

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10-24-2013, 04:51 PM
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Also, I will be surprised to see Kulikov or Girardi shipped out.
Rangers fans would probably disagree with you. Many expect Girardi to be shipped out by deadline with TOR being the likely destination.
His contract status and relationship with the coach being the 2 possible factors.

There also has been a couple threads re Kulikov on the main board with FLA fans open to trading him away for the right price. His play hasnt improved and is a RFA after the season.

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10-24-2013, 05:02 PM
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Rangers fans would probably disagree with you. Many expect Girardi to be shipped out by deadline with TOR being the likely destination.
His contract status and relationship with the coach being the 2 possible factors.

There also has been a couple threads re Kulikov on the main board with FLA fans open to trading him away for the right price. His play hasnt improved and is a RFA after the season.
I forgot they had Matheson....so it makes some sense....but I don't see how they'd be in a rush to move him, his value won't disappear.

I suppose Girardi playing poorly is fine...and I guess if he goes as a rental to a playoff team that makes sense but Rags don't have an immediate replacement either. Then again I undervalue Del Zotto as much as anyone could.

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10-24-2013, 05:30 PM
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ewwww at Krieder. I think Girardi will be available given how he's fallen out of favor under Vigneault, but signing him is another question.

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10-24-2013, 05:45 PM
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With the emergence of Jones and the development of Ekholm, there is some talk among Nashville fans that Josi could be moved if the return is right. I would strongly prefer to keep him, but I'm curious what he would fetch us.

Would you all move Eberle to get Josi? I know Hall and RNH are off the table, and I highly doubt we would want Yakupov for him (we have drafted a Russian in about a decade, and that's not an exaggeration).
Hmm.. that's intriguing. I'm a fan of Josi and think he'll be a star but it would be tough to do that straight up. Although a future top pairing defenseman who's just 23 years old would be huge for us so..

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10-24-2013, 05:46 PM
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I don't know what the cost would be on Kreider, but he is someone I'd make sure Slats doesn't just dump for another prospect.

As for other needs. Gregor said MacT is trying to make a depth move. Who out there is a 3rd liner that can play PK and plays hard? We have very few penalty killers on this team and we could use another specialist that can play 14 minutes a night. Small piece that could help the team a lot.

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10-24-2013, 05:47 PM
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I'm against trading our first rounder, with how strong our division is, there's a good chance we are out of the playoffs even with a guy like Girardi. I'd love Girardi but we already don't have a second rounder. I hate the idea of trading potential players in 3 years for a guy now (one that would have no reason not to test the free agent market if he comes here)... plus look at some of the guys picked between 5-14 the last few years.
If a guy like Girardi can come in and help, and also sign an extension, I have no problem giving a 1st for him.

People forget how much time it takes young players to refine their game. The Pietreangelo and OEL's of the world skew views of D-man imo. Not all of them can come in and not look out of place right away. Look at Petry. Right now, he's playing far more consistent than he has in the past, and he looks like he belongs playing hard minutes more times than not. Go back last season, and most of this board would've dumped him for Arron Asham.

We have a ton of quality young talent. What we need quality veterans. Most of the NYR board think Girardi will shopped. If that is the case, we have to interested. He's not a Weber or whatever, but for a team that for the first time in nearly half a decade brought in a top-4 guy this offseason (Ference), we'd be idiots not to consider him. He's a D-man who can and has played tough minutes. Good veteran presence. Has a decent enough break out IIRC (ie along the boards is not his only option) and is physical. He fills a whole bunch of needs for us.

If he's willing to sign an extension, you drive that 1st round pick to the airport yourself.

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10-24-2013, 06:00 PM
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Yea, if Girardi's willing to sign an extension (I know he's coming from NY but he's a Canadian kid and we're on the rise so I don't think it's far fetched) I'm more than happy to give a 1st for him. Hypothetical, but say we do the Eberle-Josi deal and Girardi for a 1st + N. Schultz +?? or something..

Hall - RNH - Hemsky
Perron - Gagner - Yakupov
Joensuu - Gordon - Arcobello
Smyth - Acton - Gazdic

Josi - Schultz
Ference - Girardi
Smid - Petry

Holy hell.. these are the kind of moves we need to be making, Mac!

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10-24-2013, 06:06 PM
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trading eberle for josi is not a move we should be looking at imo

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trading eberle for josi is not a move we should be looking at imo
agreed

we become a worse team if that happens

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10-24-2013, 06:14 PM
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agreed

we become a worse team if that happens
I agree that Josi for Eberle isn't enough straight up, but to say this isn't a move we should be looking at is kind of ridiculous. Josi would immediately be our best defenseman and he's only 23. We have four studs up front, do we really need to keep all of them and continue to wish for better D? Three studs up front + Josi and Schultz on the backend > four studs up front and just Schultz IMO. The team needs more balance.

We're not getting a guy like Josi for Hemsky, Gagner, Klefbom etc..

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10-24-2013, 06:16 PM
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No chance we trade Eberle for Josi right now. Might move Hemsky for him if he returns from his concussion and doesn't show any signs of regression.

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10-24-2013, 06:20 PM
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No chance we trade Eberle for Josi right now. Might move Hemsky for him if he returns from his concussion and doesn't show any signs of regression.


This is why Oilers fans are hated on HF. Wow..

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No chance we trade Eberle for Josi right now. Might move Hemsky for him if he returns from his concussion and doesn't show any signs of regression.
Would Nashville really move him? Did he not just sign a long term contract at a good price? I can't see the Preds moving him at all.

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This is why Oilers fans are hated on HF. Wow..
Yea because moving our best forward in Eberle for a injured dman isn't undervaluing Eberle? Josi isn't worthEberle right now and it's not even close. For a guy like Gagner, Perron, or Hemsky sure.

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Yea because moving our best forward in Eberle for a injured dman isn't undervaluing Eberle? Josi isn't worthEberle right now and it's not even close. For a guy like Gagner, Perron, or Hemsky sure.
No ****.. Nashville isn't going to trade him for any of those players.

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Yea because moving our best forward in Eberle for a injured dman isn't undervaluing Eberle? Josi isn't worthEberle right now and it's not even close. For a guy like Gagner, Perron, or Hemsky sure.
Josi for a soon-to-be UFA in Hemsky isn't good value either.

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Josi for a soon-to-be UFA in Hemsky isn't good value either.
Obviously it'd be a sign and trade or we'd be adding.

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Obviously it'd be a sign and trade or we'd be adding.
Or they'll just offer a UFA rental package, or wait until he's a UFA if they want him that badly.

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Yea because moving our best forward in Eberle for a injured dman isn't undervaluing Eberle? Josi isn't worthEberle right now and it's not even close. For a guy like Gagner, Perron, or Hemsky sure.
Hemsky for Josi is much more ridiculous.

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