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10-24-2013, 09:18 PM
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Could this be MRSA related, by any chance, I wonder?

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10-24-2013, 09:42 PM
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Could this be MRSA related, by any chance, I wonder?
possibly but could also be staph epidermidis, a skin contaminant

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10-24-2013, 10:41 PM
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Ill be happy to be be wrong but if he really had bacterial infection in his joint i'll be shocked if he's back in a month.
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Poile said that the 1-month estimate is based entirely on the fact that he got scoped, and has nothing to do with the infection aspect. He's assuming that 1) the infection will clear quickly and 2) they won't have to go in and washout again. A month seems like the super best case scenario.

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10-24-2013, 10:48 PM
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Poile said that the 1-month estimate is based entirely on the fact that he got scoped, and has nothing to do with the infection aspect. He's assuming that 1) the infection will clear quickly and 2) they won't have to go in and washout again. A month seems like the super best case scenario.
the only way its actually a month is if the infection was not in the joint and the scope was just to verify that fact... then he mght be back in a month... but the body's response to bacterial infection is intense and leads to scar tissue and "sticky" stuff.... leading to pain and possibly decreased range of motion... neither of which is a good thing in a goalie

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10-24-2013, 10:57 PM
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Who cares? With the almighty gnome coaching King Hut, we'll be fine apparently. Seriously, where do we find these guys?

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10-24-2013, 11:22 PM
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I think part of it is Korn, and part is our system

Ellis and Lindback both werent nearly as good after they left as they were when they were here and its not like they would have forgot all of Korn's teaching as soon as they left

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10-25-2013, 07:57 AM
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It was at Vandy. No offense to them, but if I was worth as much money as Pekka is, I would be getting operated on by the very best. Vandy is good, but they're not the best.
Oh yeah? Cool....

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10-25-2013, 08:43 AM
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http://www.care2.com/causes/what-do-...g-toilets.html

VU Hosp has problems that all hospitals have, and they are cutting costs.

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10-25-2013, 07:42 PM
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Has he been put on IR yet?

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10-25-2013, 08:49 PM
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Oh yeah? Cool....
I don't understand your reply. I was just stating facts.

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10-25-2013, 10:01 PM
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I don't understand your reply. I was just stating facts.
Fish works for Vandy...

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10-26-2013, 04:53 AM
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Fish works for Vandy...
yup, cake-eater.

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10-26-2013, 10:36 PM
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so before everyone jumps on the "Poile should have signed a proven backup" bandwagon lets remember what we expected Hutton to be... a backup goalie... you would hope a backup could play .500.. beat the lesser teams, lose to the better teams, and maybe steal a game or two to make up for costing the team a game or two.

we dont have the money to hire a Vokoun type 1A backup, and so we have Hutton, who in a limited sample has looked exactly like a backup goalie... able to hold hs own against a lesser team, soundly beaten by a really good team.

we need him to play .500 until Rinne gets back... if he can do that,(and if Rinne really is back in 4-6 weeks) we will still be in the hunt...

there are 20 games between now and December 12

as strange as it seems, the Rangers, Flyers, and Devils are three of the 4 worst teams in the league right now and we have 4 of those 20 games against them, plus Edmonton, Dallas, the Isles, Canes, Caps Jackets and another game with Winnipeg. Those teams are all currently .500 or worse. Thats 11 games where even with Hutton we should be no worse than a tossup.

we can do this...




EDIT: and as predictable as the sun rising in the East, EK has us thinking about calling Bryzgalov... personally i think if we go that route it means Poile thinks Rinne is out for the season


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10-27-2013, 11:00 AM
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Fish works for Vandy...
He's not the only one...

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10-27-2013, 11:16 AM
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Rinne got shelled by those same Blues in the season opener. In three starts, Hutton is 2-1-0 and he looked decent in relief of Rinne at St Louis. One appearance out of four where Hutton looked less than sharp .... it's far too early for the torches and pitchforks or Bryz.

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10-27-2013, 11:23 AM
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Rinne got shelled by those same Blues in the season opener. In three starts, Hutton is 2-1-0 and he looked decent in relief of Rinne at St Louis. One appearance out of four where Hutton looked less than sharp .... it's far too early for the torches and pitchforks or Bryz.
Maybe so, but if the issue with Rinne is more serious than they're implying (which wouldn't shock me in the least), I'd call Bryz in a heartbeat. If Hutton continues to be decent. Not great or below-average, but decent, then him and Bryzgalov would likely be fine going forward. Hellberg will be fine in time I'm sure, but with our lack of experience across the board, especially on D, I'd like to have a veteran back there in net.

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10-27-2013, 11:31 AM
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Maybe so, but if the issue with Rinne is more serious than they're implying (which wouldn't shock me in the least), I'd call Bryz in a heartbeat. If Hutton continues to be decent. Not great or below-average, but decent, then him and Bryzgalov would likely be fine going forward. Hellberg will be fine in time I'm sure, but with our lack of experience across the board, especially on D, I'd like to have a veteran back there in net.
The only reason to look at Bryz is if Peks is down long term. Not a month, probably not even six weeks .... but several months. We're looking at needing LTI cap relief to get another vet goalie in and keep wiggle room for callups the rest of the season.

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10-27-2013, 11:36 AM
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The only reason to look at Bryz is if Peks is down long term. Not a month, probably not even six weeks .... but several months. We're looking at needing LTI cap relief to get another vet goalie in and keep wiggle room for callups the rest of the season.
Yeah I wouldn't do it as a short term fix either, but if it's a serious issue and four weeks is just extremely optimistic, the situation changes entirely.

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10-27-2013, 11:49 AM
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Maybe so, but if the issue with Rinne is more serious than they're implying (which wouldn't shock me in the least), I'd call Bryz in a heartbeat. If Hutton continues to be decent. Not great or below-average, but decent, then him and Bryzgalov would likely be fine going forward. Hellberg will be fine in time I'm sure, but with our lack of experience across the board, especially on D, I'd like to have a veteran back there in net.

This would be wise. Bryz could likely be had for near league minimum, and he could salvage the year if Rinne is gone for 2-3 months (or more). Might make for a nice trading piece should Rinne come back before the trade deadline - that would be a good problem to have.

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10-27-2013, 01:57 PM
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Poile said that Rinne is expected to miss only a month. He then mentioned that that was only 10 games, so signing another goalie doesn't make sense right now(my emphasis). These comments were predicated on Rinne's best case recovery scenario.

If 2-3 weeks down the road, the antibiotics aren't taking care of the infection, AND Hutton/Hellberg aren't stepping up, I suspect Poile will sign another goalie. But for the next 2 weeks, I don't expect any moves.

In hindsight, Poile probably should've signed an experienced backup on a 1 year contract given Pekka was coming off a fairly invasive procedure. I suppose he can still do so. Is Bryz or Theodore consistent enough to carry the Preds into the playoffs?? Are there others available that could do the same?

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10-27-2013, 02:07 PM
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SB nation is reporting quotes from Rinne stating the infection is 'very serious'

http://blogs.tennessean.com/predator...ery-dangerous/

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10-27-2013, 02:12 PM
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Updated the title.

Quotes from Rinne in Finland point to more serious infection of the joint rather than just a skin infection. Also in the article, he mentions that he will be on IV antibiotics for the next month, so there is no way he returns in four weeks.

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10-27-2013, 02:16 PM
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Any word on Josi? I've got him in my pool and am wondering the timeline on him. The last I've read was his injury wasn't supposed to be "long-term" ... and that was on the eighth.

Thanks for any feedback.

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The infection was reported as in the joint from its revelation which is why a scope and flush was required. As I mentioned in the first thread citing the interview (gen Preds discussion) , the word "potentially" belongs in the headline and article based on language such as "the infection could cause further issues to his hip joint if not fully eliminated." If it was caught early enough that the infection did not cause deterioration of the joint, the timeline is based upon two things ... how well the antibiotics work against the bacteria and how fast the tissue heals following the scope ... two independent healing processes.


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10-27-2013, 02:28 PM
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Any word on Josi? I've got him in my pool and am wondering the timeline on him. The last I've read was his injury wasn't supposed to be "long-term" ... and that was on the eighth.

Thanks for any feedback.
Welcome to the boards!

Josi participated in full contact practice on Friday and reported no symptoms as of Saturday morning in his progression back to full play. There is no timeline on concussions and any setback can put him back to the full rest stage of recovery, but the team is off today and will have ample opportunity to practice Monday through Wednesday when they travel to Phoenix. If Josi has no setbacks this week, he very possibly could be cleared to return on Thursday night at Phoenix...


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