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10-25-2013, 04:34 PM
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Let's say this does happen. Richards puts up 75 points this year and has a career year on a crappy team. His value is immense. Let's trade him for young assets and picks, right?


Wrong. Cap recapture. Richards cannot be traded.

This team is royally ****ed in so many ways it boggles my mind
I'm not sure if it's worth it for the Rangers in case of injury, but maybe another team could acquire Richards with the goal of it being a rental, and then buy him out after a playoff run.

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10-25-2013, 05:14 PM
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I will be more than patient when management starts guiding this team in the direction it needs to be, and that direction is a full on rebuild. Literally everyone except McDonagh, Callahan, Staal, and Richards (cap recapture) should be for sale. As my co-worker said to me earlier, we are a team of misfits that lack identity as a whole.

As of right now I'm very frustrated with the Band-Aid approach and I think that it couldn't be any more obvious that now is the time to rebuild.


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10-25-2013, 06:32 PM
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I'm not sure if it's worth it for the Rangers in case of injury, but maybe another team could acquire Richards with the goal of it being a rental, and then buy him out after a playoff run.
Is that allowed? I don't see why it wouldn't be ..... Is it remotely possible?

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10-25-2013, 08:11 PM
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I'm not sure if it's worth it for the Rangers in case of injury, but maybe another team could acquire Richards with the goal of it being a rental, and then buy him out after a playoff run.
According to Capgeek the buyout would cost $27 million. Do you really think any team would pay that to rent Richards?

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10-25-2013, 11:18 PM
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I will be more than patient when management starts guiding this team in the direction it needs to be, and that direction is a full on rebuild. Literally everyone except McDonagh, Callahan, Staal, and Richards (cap recapture) should be for sale. As my co-worker said to me earlier, we are a team of misfits that lack identity as a whole.

As of right now I'm very frustrated with the Band-Aid approach and I think that it couldn't be any more obvious that now is the time to rebuild.
I agree that we shouldn't do a band-aid approach. I think you go with this team as it is until the deadline nears. If they are well out of it, do what needs to be done and start from near scratch.

I disagree that Staal and Callahan would still be here, though. Staal has quietly been one of our worst defensemen this season. Both he and Callahan are too old to be of much use by the time the team comes out of a full rebuild.

If they go full rebuild, they move everyone except the kids, and young vets under 23/24 (so the kids and Moore, McD, MDZ, Stepan and maybe Hagelin). Everyone else gets moved.

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10-25-2013, 11:29 PM
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Trade assets for Yakupov and start tanking.

Stop delaying the inevitable and rebuild. This team was given a small window to win and will not be able to do so.

They'll never tank though because they're too stupid to, while the Penguins of the league get the Crosby's and Malkin's.

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10-25-2013, 11:59 PM
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I'm not sure if it's worth it for the Rangers in case of injury, but maybe another team could acquire Richards with the goal of it being a rental, and then buy him out after a playoff run.
What's going to happen is he's going to have a great year, be bought out, and then go win a Cup with the Blackhawks or some other team that can actually play hockey.

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10-26-2013, 01:35 AM
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According to Capgeek the buyout would cost $27 million. Do you really think any team would pay that to rent Richards?
Probably not, but if a cash rich team like Montreal or Toronto was, hypothetically, a Richards away from winning a cup, then maybe.

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10-26-2013, 01:41 AM
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I agree that we shouldn't do a band-aid approach. I think you go with this team as it is until the deadline nears. If they are well out of it, do what needs to be done and start from near scratch.

I disagree that Staal and Callahan would still be here, though. Staal has quietly been one of our worst defensemen this season. Both he and Callahan are too old to be of much use by the time the team comes out of a full rebuild.

If they go full rebuild, they move everyone except the kids, and young vets under 23/24 (so the kids and Moore, McD, MDZ, Stepan and maybe Hagelin). Everyone else gets moved.
Don't disagree about Staal being pretty crap thus far (most upsetting thing about the season for mine, apart from overall crappiness) but he's only about to turn 27. Assuming no more random pucks to the face you could probably pencil him for at least another 6 seasons after this one. In fact, if Slats wanted to offer him 6 at $6, I'd probably be ok with it

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10-26-2013, 11:14 AM
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I really don't see what all the panic is about. They haven't had the entire lineup healthy together for one game yet. Not one. Hank has been injured since the second game. Nash didn't even play enough to start scoring. Callahan was getting back to speed when he was injured. Hagelin is a beast on the forecheck and a solid possession player and he hasn't even played a second yet. The guys out there now are the guys who score with others - they don't lead the scoring. Yes, it'd be nice if they did, but not every player is that type of player, and thats fine most of the time because team's don't lose all of the guys who take charge at once usually. Brassard will pick up the scoring when players come back and people slot into their "normal" spots, as will Stepan and a few other guys.

There are excuses and then there are reasons. Excuses get people out of responsibility, reasons explain why people dropped/ are dropping the ball without negating that there's a problem. The injuries are reasons that this team can't get it together. They started very, very poorly, and still haven't gotten the opportunity to turn themselves around. It sucks, but it's really not that shocking or worrying to me. Hank will be back soon. Hagelin is back very soon. Callahan will be back very soon. Nash, who knows? Still, those three will make a big difference. If they come back, the team has a few games to gel with everyone in their right spots and they still lose this much, then I'll wonder if it's worth keeping this squad together. For now, this is a very unfortunate time for very unfortunate injuries and the start of a coaching change that probably should never have happened.

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10-26-2013, 11:29 AM
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bandaids, blow it up, tank.. come on now.. barely 9 games into the season we do not do that...

especially..

Nash, callahan, hags all out..

guys like stepan, brass and richard with high expectations but good teams win not because of star players but bc of good depth that are solid..

kreider, miller, fast have played maybe 1 full season of nhl games combined..

pyatt boyle pouliot are being asked to play roles that they have no business being in..

hank sucks right now, but has always had slow ass starts..

our d sucks, but getting better..

we havent even played a home game yet, and have been traveling on the road since the middle/end of september.. hard when you cant get into a routine as a player.. and to make matters worse we have a new coach and system.. this would be hard with even torts as a coach to overcome..

i had expectations of at least finishing this road trip at 500, so cant get to crazy..

wait till dec at the very least and see where we are at.. if things continue start exploring options..

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10-26-2013, 11:52 AM
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Time for waiting for the team to adjust is over.

Excuses for injuries, gotta throw them out.

If this organization has the gaul to pump up a cup run every chance they get there shouldnt be any excuses. They should have a deep enough team then right?

The way the alignment is they can't wait any longer. Every point they lose out is making it harder for them to make it. Even this early. They need points now.

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10-26-2013, 12:03 PM
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Well losing a whole line is pretty terrible. Its a killer but it also shows the lack of depth in the bottom 6

luckily NJ, Carolina, Philly, WSH, Isles are all kinda blah too

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10-26-2013, 01:04 PM
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Time for waiting for the team to adjust is over.

Excuses for injuries, gotta throw them out.

If this organization has the gaul to pump up a cup run every chance they get there shouldnt be any excuses. They should have a deep enough team then right?

The way the alignment is they can't wait any longer. Every point they lose out is making it harder for them to make it. Even this early. They need points now.
People keep saying this, but what does that really mean? A team missing key players isn't going to be as good as it could be, especially when all of those players are wingers, or all centers, or all defenseman etc. In the case of missing 3 top 6 wingers, your best players aren't playing, and your bottom 6 guys are asked to fill roles they can't fill, which leads to guys who shouldn't even be in the league trying to play bottom 6 rolls, which they also can't fill.

I agree that missing a forward or two and/or a defenseman or two shouldn't be an excuse, but there can be situations where injuries are reasons, at least in large part, for failure, and this is one of them in my opinion.

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People keep saying this, but what does that really mean? A team missing key players isn't going to be as good as it could be, especially when all of those players are wingers, or all centers, or all defenseman etc. In the case of missing 3 top 6 wingers, your best players aren't playing, and your bottom 6 guys are asked to fill roles they can't fill, which leads to guys who shouldn't even be in the league trying to play bottom 6 rolls, which they also can't fill.

I agree that missing a forward or two and/or a defenseman or two shouldn't be an excuse, but there can be situations where injuries are reasons, at least in large part, for failure, and this is one of them in my opinion.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle10042903/

Good teams, good organizations find a way. Should performance be expected to falter? Of course. These is no excuse to be as bad as the Rangers have been.

This does not sound like the Rangers:

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I'm more than happy to be patient with first two lines (NASH, HAGs and Cally out) but we're not winng jack %$# with the bottom six we have now.

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People keep saying this, but what does that really mean? A team missing key players isn't going to be as good as it could be, especially when all of those players are wingers, or all centers, or all defenseman etc. In the case of missing 3 top 6 wingers, your best players aren't playing, and your bottom 6 guys are asked to fill roles they can't fill, which leads to guys who shouldn't even be in the league trying to play bottom 6 rolls, which they also can't fill.

I agree that missing a forward or two and/or a defenseman or two shouldn't be an excuse, but there can be situations where injuries are reasons, at least in large part, for failure, and this is one of them in my opinion.
Of course injuries can be used as reasons why a teams play drops off, but they shouldn't used as a reason as to why a teams compete level is so low.

If the Rangers were losing games but still playing competitive hockey, people wouldn't be so worried. As it stands we team that is pretty mediocre outside of the injured players and we've identified that there is no-one on the roster, or in the Wolfpack who can pinch-hit in the top 6 when injuries occur, highlighting our lack of useful depth throughout the organisation

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I'm skeptical that having Cally and Hags back (who knows what is going on with Nash) will make that big of a difference. This team has been playing like garbage.

Other players need to step up also, if this team is going to turn around.

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I mentioned in another thread that the 2010-11 team had a lot of injuries to its top 6: Gaborik was in and out of the lineup with nagging injuries, Prospal didn't play in his first game until February, Cally missed a month and a half due to a broken hand after blocking a shot.

That team found a way to persevere and outwork its opponents and that's what this team needs to do. But in most games so far this season, the team does not look up to the challenge.

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I just don't understand why it's hard for fans to see that this team has so little talent. The Isles have 2 players with more points than this entire team has goals. I'm not even comparing us to elite teams yet, just the "above average" Isles!

Other teams have so much talent and depth, their "decent" players are actually superb and shine on other teams. Dave Bolland on Chicago was a nice player - now on Toronto he has 8 points in 11 games. Similarly with Ladd and Versteeg - top 6 players on other teams. Chicago is so deep they've lost players better than most on this team and STILL have an elite core of talent left! Let's not even talk about the Penguins.

We are so desperate for success we fawn over mere potential like Kreider (who shows little real hope of being elite) or a solid player like Stepan (about as talented as Chicago or Pittsburgh's secondary players - nowhere near elite).

We buy into Zucc as a scoring solution - with zero points. We think Pouliot will finally fulfill his potential - with 1 point over 9 games and no hockey IQ. We hope Brassard can be a true clutch performer but the jury is still out with this mediocre start.

We waste roster space on journeyman like Pyatt and D. Moore. We overrate crap grinders, most recently Boyle who is 4th line 5 minutes a game on a good team. We call our steady and solid defensive core "elite" when they're just above average - there's not a Leetch to be found in this organization.

The current game vs. Detroit is classic Rangers. Slow start down 1-0. Tie the game and give it up quickly with a goal (especially good at SH or PPG against when they can barely score). Probably yet another 2-1 loss (I bet they've lost more 3-2 or 2-1 games over the last 4 years than the entire decade of the 90's).

This is ultimately about the Dolans and their love affair with Slats regardless of performance. He's not held to the same level of accountability as other teams who actually have to improve over the course of a decade. So we suffer year after year with a marginally good to occasionally very good team that has no real chance in hell at the cup.

This year might just be that truly miserable year where we at least get a top 5 pick (any maybe, just maybe we don't pull another Jessiman out of our a$$ses). I'm happy to suffer for that because suffering through no playoffs or mostly early exits sucks much more and I'm tired of it.

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People keep saying this, but what does that really mean? A team missing key players isn't going to be as good as it could be, especially when all of those players are wingers, or all centers, or all defenseman etc. In the case of missing 3 top 6 wingers, your best players aren't playing, and your bottom 6 guys are asked to fill roles they can't fill, which leads to guys who shouldn't even be in the league trying to play bottom 6 rolls, which they also can't fill.
How does that address the fact that for the majority of the games, the players have not bothered to show up to play?

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The product on the ice looking a lot better.
I never wanted Torts fired, just hire an offensive assistant, but I must say this team is a lot more enjoyable to watch lately than last season's ever was. Let's hope the trend continues.

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um..lets not get ahead of ourselves. They beat a team that is 1 game under .500 and 10 games under .500 the last 2 games!

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The same players who do not even bother to show up to games? The same defensemen that appear incapable of playing the basic fundamental?
They didn't show up for what 3 games this year? They were incompetent in plenty this year but they collapsed utterly in 2 or 3. But the issue I have here is many of these same guys have killed themselves for YEARS so i feel you are minimizing this in favor of a very small, recent sample size which may represent what we see for the rest of the year but likely wont. I do feel there is a difference between sucking and not even showing up though and I can only point to the anaheim, NJ and san jose games as definite no shows. (hey threes a lot but I'm looking at a lot of circumstances and I have a suspicion that we won't be seeing it too many more times)They have won several and busted their ***** against (i wrote Isles but it wasn't the Isles oops I was thinking Montreal) and St louis in losses. I do not think we are anywhere near as bad as our worst games were. I do believe we are close to what our best games have shown us to be so far.


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