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10-25-2013, 02:56 PM
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Preds have 3 guys you can trust with. 25 mins: Josi, Weber, Jones. And 2 guy with 20 in Ekholm and Klein.

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10-25-2013, 05:31 PM
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No way you break up Weber and Jones IMO. They are good now imagine with more time and Jones gets better. Does anyone wonder what Jones would be playing like if he was playing on his natural side??

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10-26-2013, 09:44 PM
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It never ceases to amaze me that we have "fans" who complain the loudest then express joy when the opposition scores or wins. It's one thing to express concern with the team, something completely different to cheer against them or express joy at hardship.

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10-26-2013, 10:00 PM
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It never ceases to amaze me that we have "fans" who complain the loudest then express joy when the opposition scores or wins. It's one thing to express concern with the team, something completely different to cheer against them or express joy at hardship.
I think you're being to a little hard on those you're referring to. No one is cheering for our team's hardship. If they had to choose between extra point(s) in fantasy league and a W in our column they would choose the win for the Preds. I'm sure if all three of us sat together watching the game we would all be equally as upset about our loss and as happy about our win. Don't you agree?

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10-26-2013, 10:11 PM
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I think you're being to a little hard on those you're referring to. No one is cheering for our team's hardship. If they had to choose between extra point(s) in fantasy league and a W in our column they would choose the win for the Preds. I'm sure if all three of us sat together watching the game we would all be equally as upset about our loss and as happy about our win. Don't you agree?
No, I don't agree with you. We have fans who repeatedly show happiness when the team struggles. We have fans who bet the team won't make the second round of the playoffs. We have fans that declare our season over before the puck drops for the first game.

The reality of being a sports fan is that the team is going to disappoint far more than it meets expectations. Most fans want their team to win a championship every year ... only one meets that goal and usually it isn't the one projected to do so during the preseason. Our fan base has members who have a hard time with that reality.

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10-26-2013, 10:21 PM
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No, I don't agree with you. We have fans who repeatedly show happiness when the team struggles. We have fans who bet the team won't make the second round of the playoffs. We have fans that declare our season over before the puck drops for the first game.

The reality of being a sports fan is that the team is going to disappoint far more than it meets expectations. Most fans want their team to win a championship every year ... only one meets that goal and usually it isn't the one projected to do so during the preseason. Our fan base has members who have a hard time with that reality.
But this fan you might be referring to comes here far too often to not care about our team. Some people communicate differently. Some wear their emotions on their sleeves and say things in haste. Others are more reserved and choose their words more carefully. At the end of the day, we are all Preds fans who deep in our hearts root for our team to do the best it can.

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10-26-2013, 10:59 PM
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There's some chatter that Moulson/Grabner could be had off the Isles. Either one would probably be our most talented forward.

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10-26-2013, 11:43 PM
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Trotz really doesn't make any sense at all with his line up decisions this season. Scratching Stalberg this game in favor or Hendricks + Nystrom + Spaling did not make sense. I hate to say this but part of me is hoping that the team goes on a bit of a losing streak so that Trotz will decide he needs to shake some of these lines up and put players in position for success rather than benching the better players for those that waste a spot in the line up. If Trotz would use the players with on a line that would complement them then the team should have no problem advancing in the Goals/Game column, but the fact of the matter is he continues to ice the same ineffective lineup every game. At this point the only players who should stay put are Cullen and Smith. The rest need to be shuffled.

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10-27-2013, 12:29 PM
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Pekka Rinne hip injury very serious

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"but the infection could cause further issues to his hip joint if not fully eliminated."

The word "potentially" should probably appear in the headline and text of that article. The infection could "potentially" cause serious damage to the hip if not dealt with. If the treatment works as expected the biggest issue is how quick the tissue heals after the scope.

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10-27-2013, 01:11 PM
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Hey guys, how has Ellis been this season and what do you expect from him in terms of production. How has his all around game been and where do you see him in the future.

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10-27-2013, 02:30 PM
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Hey guys, how has Ellis been this season and what do you expect from him in terms of production. How has his all around game been and where do you see him in the future.
Ellis is playing well enough to hold off Bartley for the 6th spot on the defense once Josi returns, but he's strictly a power play specialist who will not have a major impact on proceedings. He might get to 20 points.

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10-27-2013, 03:46 PM
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I just want to say that for a good seven years I attended every Kings game rooting against them. They sucked and I loved hockey too much to root for the crap product they were putting on the ice. I wore the other team's jersey to every game, and it wasn't until Doughty was drafted, Quick was installed, and Kopitar began to show his promise that I could stand rooting for those clowns.

Now, I'm a season seat holder for the Preds and while I think it's the most boring hockey I've ever had to endure (and I was a regular attendee at Devils games while living in NYC), I am too busy getting into the potential of Jones and Forsberg to go completely off the deep end.

However, this team is painful to watch. No transition game, no board work, and generally way too easy to play against. I'm praying for miracles, but I see no end in sight.

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10-27-2013, 04:56 PM
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I just want to say that for a good seven years I attended every Kings game rooting against them. They sucked and I loved hockey too much to root for the crap product they were putting on the ice. I wore the other team's jersey to every game, and it wasn't until Doughty was drafted, Quick was installed, and Kopitar began to show his promise that I could stand rooting for those clowns.

Now, I'm a season seat holder for the Preds and while I think it's the most boring hockey I've ever had to endure (and I was a regular attendee at Devils games while living in NYC), I am too busy getting into the potential of Jones and Forsberg to go completely off the deep end.

However, this team is painful to watch. No transition game, no board work, and generally way too easy to play against. I'm praying for miracles, but I see no end in sight.
Those were some sad days NT. My love of the team just hasn't been the same since that stretch. Couldn't respect an organization that was content to just pack it in and accept non-competition like that, despite the success that has come out of it.

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10-27-2013, 06:08 PM
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I've kind of got to agree with Proteau, the return for Weber could be massive (better than Pronger *entering his prime*)

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10-27-2013, 06:19 PM
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It doesn't matter who we get. They will be 4th line grinders or scratched until they make Trotz good "list". Requirements no one knows.

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It doesn't matter who we get. They will be 4th line grinders or scratched until they make Trotz good "list". Requirements no one knows.
Trotz/Poile aren't around at that point in time ... there time has run its course.

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10-28-2013, 11:08 AM
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All right high end X-O's guys.

Why does our system seem way more conservative this season? Has the conservative Trotz become more conservative or are we truly just seeing all of our offensive guys under performing at the same time?

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10-28-2013, 12:24 PM
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All right high end X-O's guys.

Why does our system seem way more conservative this season? Has the conservative Trotz become more conservative or are we truly just seeing all of our offensive guys under performing at the same time?
personally I think we are collapsing way more in the defensive zone. This is causing a plethora of problems. One is our breakout, our forwards aren't stretching their defense what-so-ever. Second is our centers are playing way too low and when the wingers chip out, there is no one in the neutral zone to either gather the puck, or pressure the opposing team's dman with the puck. Third, on our forecheck, we are being a lil less passive in my opinion. We have always sent 2 in and 1 high. But this year, it looks to be more of a 1-2-2 and trying to tighten the game up even more.

I think with the bigger guys we have that don't skate as well (Nystrom, Hendricks, Gaustad, Clune, etc) are causing this. We know it will be tougher to skate through us if we are playing tighter.

This is why I wish Trotz would load up a few scoring lines, let them fly and play an aggressive forecheck and play a tighter-point in the defensive zone. Then have the bottom few lines with guys like Fisher, Hornqvist, Gaustad, Hendricks, Spaling, Nystrom, and Clune that can bang all play a more conservative physical game. But that's just me...

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10-28-2013, 01:44 PM
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personally I think we are collapsing way more in the defensive zone. This is causing a plethora of problems. One is our breakout, our forwards aren't stretching their defense what-so-ever. Second is our centers are playing way too low and when the wingers chip out, there is no one in the neutral zone to either gather the puck, or pressure the opposing team's dman with the puck. Third, on our forecheck, we are being a lil less passive in my opinion. We have always sent 2 in and 1 high. But this year, it looks to be more of a 1-2-2 and trying to tighten the game up even more.

I think with the bigger guys we have that don't skate as well (Nystrom, Hendricks, Gaustad, Clune, etc) are causing this. We know it will be tougher to skate through us if we are playing tighter.

This is why I wish Trotz would load up a few scoring lines, let them fly and play an aggressive forecheck and play a tighter-point in the defensive zone. Then have the bottom few lines with guys like Fisher, Hornqvist, Gaustad, Hendricks, Spaling, Nystrom, and Clune that can bang all play a more conservative physical game. But that's just me...
you know, I really wish I could see more during the hockey games,but I'm just not quick enough or looking at the right things.

I remember asking Seth about the new "system" that he said they tried to implement last year without enough time. So I asked again this year and this was his response. (back a little bit in this thread)
"Last season the Predators introduced a new overload coverage defensive system and they have stuck with it with a few minor changes.

When you watch the team play you will notice both defensemen and the center (low forward) in the corner when the puck carrier is pinned along the wall. This puts slot coverage onto the weakside winger to swag low and pickup any pucks or players that come through the area and also has the strongside winger completely responsible for cutting off the pass to the point as that and a D to D pass is the quickest way to beat the system.

It's working to a point. The players are getting better at it. It is not as bad as it was last season. I still prefer the traditional man on and box behind system and when surfing around the NHL during the free Center Ice preview I've noticed a fair amount of teams still using it, but it is a mix across the league."

It just seemed to apply to some of the things that were mentioned above.

I'm just not quick or skilled enough to analyze this stuff.

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10-28-2013, 02:25 PM
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Per Joshua Cooper and @Diamondockey, Josi cleared for contact and will likely be on the upcoming road trip...........


FINALLY, some much needed positive news!!

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10-28-2013, 02:57 PM
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I have no issues with the defensive zone coverage it's the restrictions we use in the neutral zone and offensive zone that make us too conservative and "boring" or we just really suck at creating open ice.

The only time we've ever done decent at that was the 2 years we had both Kariya and Sullivan.

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I have no issues with the defensive zone coverage it's the restrictions we use in the neutral zone and offensive zone that make us too conservative and "boring" or we just really suck at creating open ice.

The only time we've ever done decent at that was the 2 years we had both Kariya and Sullivan.
more on the last point...those guys have speed. We were able to the puck up ice quickly because of that. No reason we shouldn't be able to play something similar with the guys we have. Cullen, Stalberg, Bourque, Legwand...all guys that have speed to burn. Also helps to have guys on the back end not afraid to make a long pass, and a good one at that.

Now on the flip side of that, that was a year or two post lockout and now schemes and players have adjusted.

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more on the last point...those guys have speed. We were able to the puck up ice quickly because of that. No reason we shouldn't be able to play something similar with the guys we have. Cullen, Stalberg, Bourque, Legwand...all guys that have speed to burn. Also helps to have guys on the back end not afraid to make a long pass, and a good one at that.

Now on the flip side of that, that was a year or two post lockout and now schemes and players have adjusted.
Except the fact that Trotz is coach and decides to either bench the fastest guy on the team or place him with the slugs. It's almost like even though he is given enough players for half the team to be fast, he still tries his hardest to ice the slowest team possible.

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10-28-2013, 03:17 PM
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Except the fact that Trotz is coach and decides to either bench the fastest guy on the team or place him with the slugs. It's almost like even though he is given enough players for half the team to be fast, he still tries his hardest to ice the slowest team possible.
Is Stalberg actually faster than Klein?

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