HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Calgary Flames
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Calgary Flames 2014 Draft Thread Part 1

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
10-27-2013, 11:14 PM
  #101
MarkGio
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,252
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHudlinator View Post
good luck

I think the real problem is that sure Cam Baker played 310 games but how many were from the team hoping he finds his game? I mean if Cam Baker had been a 7th round pick but the same skill level would teams have kept trying to play him? It is an unanswerable question but I think most high picks will have their games played increased based solely on draft position and you can't account for it.
True. But take Matt Pelech for example. Sure, he was a mid 1st rounder and a highly touted prospect in the Flames system, but he only played a hand full of games. So he was never pushed beyond his abilities. And I'm sure the data will support that. I've seen first rounders play no NHL games.

And I could argue that these early picked defenseman are only busts because they weren't developed properly. I look at Tyler Myers and wonder if he was pushed into 25 minute nights because he had a Calder year, when really, he only had sheltered minutes that year and still needed incubating. Given Buffalo's defense and urge to get going, I could see that being the case. Late round picks have no pressure to jump into roles and are given all the time in the world because GMs expect them to take long. Look at how Brodie is being impacted by his recent, huge responsibilities.

MarkGio is offline  
Old
10-27-2013, 11:49 PM
  #102
MonahanTheMan
Pray for Flames
 
MonahanTheMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Bellingham, WA
Country: United States
Posts: 1,781
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHudlinator View Post
good luck

I think the real problem is that sure Cam Baker played 310 games but how many were from the team hoping he finds his game? I mean if Cam Baker had been a 7th round pick but the same skill level would teams have kept trying to play him? It is an unanswerable question but I think most high picks will have their games played increased based solely on draft position and you can't account for it.
Kinda blowin my mind here

MonahanTheMan is offline  
Old
10-28-2013, 09:28 AM
  #103
RaginStajan
Pineapple Express
 
RaginStajan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Canaduh
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,867
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHudlinator View Post
good luck

I think the real problem is that sure Cam Baker played 310 games but how many were from the team hoping he finds his game? I mean if Cam Baker had been a 7th round pick but the same skill level would teams have kept trying to play him? It is an unanswerable question but I think most high picks will have their games played increased based solely on draft position and you can't account for it.
Barker had a good year in 2008-2009 season. 40 points in 68 games is fairly impressive. I wonder what happened to get him to fall of the face of the earth, maybe because playing in edmonton? Same thing happened to Ryan Whitney when he went to Edmonton. I guess Edmonton is where Decent defenseman go to be barely playing in the NHL later on.

RaginStajan is offline  
Old
10-28-2013, 10:06 AM
  #104
tfong
Registered User
 
tfong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,400
vCash: 500
I think Pronger, Berard and Johnson and one other (name escapes me) are really the only top 5 defenders taken in recent history that have shown consistent high end skill worthy of a top pick and even then EJ was abandoned by St Louis early on.

Definitely dmen are not worth #1 picks, but since Eckblad is heads better than the next dman, if we ever got the #1 pick I'd suggest moving down to get Eckblad + another pick.

tfong is offline  
Old
10-28-2013, 11:07 AM
  #105
Calculon
unholy acting talent
 
Calculon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,201
vCash: 1000
Quote:
Originally Posted by tfong View Post
I think Pronger, Berard and Johnson and one other (name escapes me) are really the only top 5 defenders taken in recent history that have shown consistent high end skill worthy of a top pick and even then EJ was abandoned by St Louis early on.

Definitely dmen are not worth #1 picks, but since Eckblad is heads better than the next dman, if we ever got the #1 pick I'd suggest moving down to get Eckblad + another pick.
It's Ekblad and it's more likely the Flames finish 14th and win the lottery than them having the first overall pick and trading down. There's a reason no one trades down from first overall anymore.

Calculon is offline  
Old
10-28-2013, 01:19 PM
  #106
tfong
Registered User
 
tfong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,400
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calculon View Post
It's Ekblad and it's more likely the Flames finish 14th and win the lottery than them having the first overall pick and trading down. There's a reason no one trades down from first overall anymore.
I think either way is unlikely anyways. But with the spread of talent here ,going from 1 to 2 or 3 likely isn't going to be as big deal as previous years.

tfong is offline  
Old
10-28-2013, 02:15 PM
  #107
Calculon
unholy acting talent
 
Calculon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,201
vCash: 1000
Quote:
Originally Posted by tfong View Post
I think either way is unlikely anyways. But with the spread of talent here ,going from 1 to 2 or 3 likely isn't going to be as big deal as previous years.
Last years draft had a top tier of 6 players that were all considered to be potential stars and yet, the Flames still couldn't trade up from 6th overall despite offering all three of their first rounds picks. In next years draft, where it appears to be a top two of Reinhart and Ekblad followed by a small drop off, it's going to be even harder to obtain one of those top picks because of the smaller talent spread.

Calculon is offline  
Old
10-28-2013, 03:15 PM
  #108
MonahanTheMan
Pray for Flames
 
MonahanTheMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Bellingham, WA
Country: United States
Posts: 1,781
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by tfong View Post
I think either way is unlikely anyways. But with the spread of talent here ,going from 1 to 2 or 3 likely isn't going to be as big deal as previous years.
I actually totally disagree. It seems like it's all about Reinhart, Ekblad and Nylander, with a sheer drop to a very thin remainder of the first round. Furthermore, who knows how much success Nylander will have as a 5'11" centre in the NHL? There are really only two first round picks who are worth finishing bottom five for.

MonahanTheMan is offline  
Old
10-28-2013, 04:35 PM
  #109
tfong
Registered User
 
tfong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,400
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MonahanTheMan View Post
I actually totally disagree. It seems like it's all about Reinhart, Ekblad and Nylander, with a sheer drop to a very thin remainder of the first round. Furthermore, who knows how much success Nylander will have as a 5'11" centre in the NHL? There are really only two first round picks who are worth finishing bottom five for.
To me the draft is devoid of any franchise players other than Eckblad. I think Reinhart turns out to be an upper tier first liner, and then there is a big glut of top six forwards from Nylander all the way down Ryan Macinnis.

So basically going from 1-3 is going to be Reinhart, Ekblad, Nylander and my pick of riser Leon Draisaitl.

But my original response don't forget was "The flames are as likely to win the first overall pick as they are to win it and trade down a slot or two".

Either way that is how little chance I see us getting the #1 overall.

So with our top 10 pick I'd like to get Virtanen

tfong is offline  
Old
10-28-2013, 05:27 PM
  #110
MonahanTheMan
Pray for Flames
 
MonahanTheMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Bellingham, WA
Country: United States
Posts: 1,781
vCash: 500
If the Flames finish 21st - 17th, who'd you like to see us drafting? Haydn Fleury would be a good pick, name aside

MonahanTheMan is offline  
Old
10-28-2013, 05:34 PM
  #111
tfong
Registered User
 
tfong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,400
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MonahanTheMan View Post
If the Flames finish 21st - 17th, who'd you like to see us drafting? Haydn Fleury would be a good pick, name aside
I think he is going to be gone by 15.

I'd want Jack Dougherhty or Robbie Fabbri at that pick range.

tfong is offline  
Old
10-28-2013, 05:36 PM
  #112
Anglesmith
Moderator
Lord Byron
 
Anglesmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Victoria
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,980
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by tfong View Post
I think he is going to be gone by 15.

I'd want Jack Dougherhty or Robbie Fabbri at that pick range.
Finishing 17-21st would give us the 10-14th pick.

Anglesmith is online now  
Old
10-28-2013, 06:37 PM
  #113
tfong
Registered User
 
tfong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,400
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anglesmith View Post
Finishing 17-21st would give us the 10-14th pick.
Oh sorry, misread, thought he meant the 17th-21st pick.

tfong is offline  
Old
11-07-2013, 02:10 AM
  #114
marbsarebad
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Olympia, WA
Country: United States
Posts: 417
vCash: 500
I just looked at Ekblad's stats so far this year and he is 6-8 and -8 in 16 games. It's possible he could move down in the draft and we could snag him at the probable 8-9 spot that it looks like we'll be drafting at. I know this kid is probably going to be better than the stats are giving him credit for. He reminds me of a modern Al MacInnis. I feel like at this point I want the Flames to pick him so badly that any other pick will be pretty bland to me.

marbsarebad is offline  
Old
11-07-2013, 05:30 AM
  #115
Sean Monahan
#boring
 
Sean Monahan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Cowtown
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,783
vCash: 50
Connor Bleackley late first if he's there. The guy is a Patrice Bergeron mold

Sean Monahan is offline  
Old
11-07-2013, 09:37 AM
  #116
RaginStajan
Pineapple Express
 
RaginStajan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Canaduh
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,867
vCash: 50
We should pick up Blake Clarke. He plays on the North Bay Battalion. He has been injured this year but before the start f the season he was projected in either the top 15 or top 20 or top 30....pretty sure it was one of the first two I said.

RaginStajan is offline  
Old
11-10-2013, 04:17 PM
  #117
TherapyforGlencross
I'm the Man
 
TherapyforGlencross's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,531
vCash: 500
As of now, the Flames would be picking 7th overall. I wouldn't mind drafting Joshua Ho_sang at that position, if he is available.

TherapyforGlencross is offline  
Old
11-10-2013, 04:32 PM
  #118
TheHudlinator
Registered User
 
TheHudlinator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Victoria,BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 19,900
vCash: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross View Post
As of now, the Flames would be picking 7th overall. I wouldn't mind drafting Joshua Ho_sang at that position, if he is available.
Really he is expected to be a late first round pick maybe even a 2nd.

http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/11/2...nsensus-top-30

TheHudlinator is offline  
Old
11-10-2013, 04:36 PM
  #119
Signature
Capitano Giordano
 
Signature's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Country: Hong Kong
Posts: 5,070
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross View Post
As of now, the Flames would be picking 7th overall. I wouldn't mind drafting Joshua Ho_sang at that position, if he is available.
Reading the prospects board, it seems like he's really fallen out of favour in some regards. Somewhere along the lines, "all the tools, no toolbox" or something like that is what I believe I've read in passing. Won't bother to speculate, I know next to nothing about the kid and his play. Definitely remember a lot of raised eyebrows/warning flags raised about him not even being invited to the WJC camp.

Signature is offline  
Old
11-10-2013, 05:12 PM
  #120
herashak
Registered User
 
herashak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 3,143
vCash: 50
So many better options than ho sang at 7

herashak is offline  
Old
11-10-2013, 05:15 PM
  #121
Johnny Hoxville
Moderator
Formerly MVW
 
Johnny Hoxville's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,458
vCash: 50
I really want a dman. If we can get Ekblad or a guy comparable to Nurse I will be ecstatic!

Johnny Hoxville is online now  
Old
11-10-2013, 05:18 PM
  #122
Flames Fanatic
Man Shifty is Good!
 
Flames Fanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,146
vCash: 500
Ho-Sang has attitude problems. Like major major issues.

Flames Fanatic is offline  
Old
11-10-2013, 05:36 PM
  #123
Ashasx
Registered User
 
Ashasx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,773
vCash: 500
If we're picking 6-8th (which is what I expect), either we hope Nylander falls to us or take Draisaitl or McKeown.

Ashasx is offline  
Old
11-10-2013, 05:40 PM
  #124
TheHudlinator
Registered User
 
TheHudlinator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Victoria,BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 19,900
vCash: 57
If Nick Ritchie is on the board I would love to have him.

TheHudlinator is offline  
Old
11-10-2013, 05:45 PM
  #125
Signature
Capitano Giordano
 
Signature's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Country: Hong Kong
Posts: 5,070
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Fanatic View Post
Ho-Sang has attitude problems. Like major major issues.
What kind?
Aliu-type or Theoren Fleury-type or is he just his own special headcase?

Signature is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:38 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.