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10-30-2013, 05:23 AM
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We are terrible and coaching has a part in this.

He continually adds guys to the line up that shouldn't be there. You send down Lander and put an extra defencemen in? Why? And Grebs of all people?

He plays our top guys too much in situations that did not get them into the NHL, they are snipers, and I use that term loosely at the moment, not defensive specialists.

Good teams have role players that perfect that craft. This team is all over the map and play like a bunch of guys that look like they haven't a clue what they should be doing. 5 games, fine, 10 games okay, is there improvement? 15? Bottom of the barrel. It ain't working for god's sake!

MacT, although not a huge fan, improved this line up for him before the season and Eakins has f'd it up big time.

I'd like to hear from MacT, for a guy that says he's impatient, he's not doing a damn thing about it.

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10-30-2013, 05:30 AM
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Like to add one more thing. Why, when at home, can Eakins not play a good checking line against the oppositions top line? Nope, he throws out guys that are suppose to score and we end up in our own end all night and the puck in the back of our net. Not once, but 4 bloody times.

Just stupid.

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10-30-2013, 06:32 AM
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Yes, Eakins has a lot to prove at this level, but I don't perceive him to be making rookie mistakes; I think that he is showing great leadership, actually. He is implementing a long-term structure for success that takes primacy over short-term results. That is not something that is easy to do. It takes an incredible resolve.

Our most talented players are having more demanded from them by Eakins than from any other coach. Our talented core is still very young compared to those on the number one lines on other teams. Their development is being fast-tracked by Eakins. Our most talented players will adapt, but it takes time.

Eakins is a good coach, with a solid track record, who has a genuine vision for this team that he intends to realize. One of the most difficult things that he is implementing is he is forcing his most talented players into situations that they haven't yet been placed in or adapted to, and he's forcing them to take on considerable more minutes. He's forcing them to adapt to a new workload. Each of these demands puts them in a situation that they are challenged to adapt to in order to meet. It simultaneously speeds up their development and makes the better players. Previous Oiler coaches relied on their veterans more. Eakins is not doing that. He's relying on his best players to take those minutes. They will be better off for it, and so will the team.

Eakins is approaching games with the long-term benefit of the team in mind, which means some short-term pain for fans and the team. He is engaging his players in a painful process that will have them achieving considerable success in the shortest route possible, but it involves considerable growing pains.

The team is responding to Eakins and will get there. He has not lost the room; the players are responding, but the results aren't there yet. Eakins has had 14 games to implement his radically new structure. It is going to take some time to achieve success, but success will come from it. The players will rise to the occasion.
There is nothing even remotely "long game" about what Eakins is doing.

Sending out twenty year old players to get rag-dolled by star level NHL opponents teaches them nothing, it's setting them up for failure pure and simple. The reason why past coaches relied on vets more than the kids in those situations is because sheltering them from matchups they have no chance of being successful against is better for both the players and the team. It would have been successful too, except for the fact that Oilers management is unwilling and/or incapable of acquiring vets who don't get killed playing those sheltering defensive roles.

Nor is Eakins showing great leadership by utilizing his honeymoon period as a new coach to push players to play his ineffective AHL-level pet system. He's got buy-in from the players, but they are getting absolutely shredded - it's negative reinforcement of the very worst kind.

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10-30-2013, 07:14 AM
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There is nothing even remotely "long game" about what Eakins is doing.

Sending out twenty year old players to get rag-dolled by star level NHL opponents teaches them nothing, it's setting them up for failure pure and simple. The reason why past coaches relied on vets more than the kids in those situations is because sheltering them from matchups they have no chance of being successful against is better for both the players and the team. It would have been successful too, except for the fact that Oilers management is unwilling and/or incapable of acquiring vets who don't get killed playing those sheltering defensive roles.

Nor is Eakins showing great leadership by utilizing his honeymoon period as a new coach to push players to play his ineffective AHL-level pet system. He's got buy-in from the players, but they are getting absolutely shredded - it's negative reinforcement of the very worst kind.
The Oilers out shot the Leafs 43-25--that's not getting shredded! They gave up 4 goals to a potent Leafs offense, while being stone walled by Reimer. The kids need to produce for us offensively. I've been saying that for a while. They don't produce offense consistently. They're getting paid well to perform. It's time they perform! You can't shelter your most talented players forever. They need to be relied upon.

As you said, we don't have an abundance of quality vets to rely on, that's not Eakin's fault! If this team is going to win, it's going to be by counting on its young players. Eakins is playing the players who he'll have to rely on down the road to produce in order to win hockey games. They can't be sheltered forever; they have to learn to handle it. Eakins has the guts to continually throw them back into the fire until they figure it out. That is what they need. They're at least working under him. We have to wait for them. We don't have a choice at this point. It's not like this team has shown well in previous years under other coaches. Give this some time is all I'm saying. This should have happened more last season. Just sayin'.

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10-30-2013, 07:17 AM
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Yes, Eakins has a lot to prove at this level, but I don't perceive him to be making rookie mistakes; I think that he is showing great leadership, actually. He is implementing a long-term structure for success that takes primacy over short-term results. That is not something that is easy to do. It takes an incredible resolve.

Our most talented players are having more demanded from them by Eakins than from any other coach. Our talented core is still very young compared to those on the number one lines on other teams. Their development is being fast-tracked by Eakins. Our most talented players will adapt, but it takes time.

Eakins is a good coach, with a solid track record, who has a genuine vision for this team that he intends to realize. One of the most difficult things that he is implementing is he is forcing his most talented players into situations that they haven't yet been placed in or adapted to, and he's forcing them to take on considerable more minutes. He's forcing them to adapt to a new workload. Each of these demands puts them in a situation that they are challenged to adapt to in order to meet. It simultaneously speeds up their development and makes the better players. Previous Oiler coaches relied on their veterans more. Eakins is not doing that. He's relying on his best players to take those minutes. They will be better off for it, and so will the team.

Eakins is approaching games with the long-term benefit of the team in mind, which means some short-term pain for fans and the team. He is engaging his players in a painful process that will have them achieving considerable success in the shortest route possible, but it involves considerable growing pains.

The team is responding to Eakins and will get there. He has not lost the room; the players are responding, but the results aren't there yet. Eakins has had 14 games to implement his radically new structure. It is going to take some time to achieve success, but success will come from it. The players will rise to the occasion.
Which structure? I'm still to see any kind of system play, the team looks different night after night, no consistency, still very unclear how he wants the team to play tactically. It's very messy. Against the Kings the team plays one way, against Leafs completely different. I think a team should be able to play different styles against different teams, but before you can do that you need to find a basic structure. For all his talk of identity he's so far completely failed at giving this team any shred of tactical identity.

I still think it's to early to judge Eakins, but one pre-season and 14 games in you'd expect at least some basic tactics to settle in. This is a really tough group of players to coach, they've proven as much before, but they can't be that difficult and still reach the NHL can they? He hasn't gotten the players to buy in one bit. Both him and the players so far are a lot of talk and nothing on the ice to back it up.

The team has had moments where they look better, where the forecheck works well, they play slightly more physical and generate shots(however a lot of them low quality in stressed situations) but still there is very little good play that comes out of structured defensive play, consistently good break outs and set offensive plays. Outside of the PP where they overpass the puck there are very few good passing plays in the offensive zone. We score on individual skill, lucky bounces and the occasional highlite reel play.

Also he's failed to recognize which players have chemistry and which don't. Or in some cases, Ebs and Perron, recognize it to then never play them together again.

The matching of lines is another thing. I get that your best players have to be able to play against the other teams best players, but if they do they have to learn how to do it. They have to be prepared how to handle them. If they can't, well then give them easier assignments until they can. It's really quite simple. This isn't the AHL where development is one of the main ingredients, this is the NHL where results is the be-all and end-all of everything.

He could really use a top notch tactical advisor by his side. So far Keith Acton has only managed to screw up our special teams and have every other commentator mentioning his son is also on the team. Buchy and Smith's additions to the team over the years obviously hasn't lead anywhere. And Chabot hasn't exactly provided top notch goaltending nor much development in the case of Dubnyk.

At the moment there's really no room for MacT to switch head coach, he's too invested. But considering two of our assistent coaches and our goalie coach has been here for a long while of losing he does have room to bring in a couple of new faces, preferably with some tactical sense, to at least do something to right this shipwreck. Eakins clearly needs help on the tactical side of things.

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10-30-2013, 07:49 AM
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The Oilers out shot the Leafs 43-25--that's not getting shredded! They gave up 4 goals to a potent Leafs offense, while being stone walled by Reimer. The kids need to produce for us offensively. I've been saying that for a while. They don't produce offense consistently. They're getting paid well to perform. It's time they perform! You can't shelter your most talented players forever. They need to be relied upon.

As you said, we don't have an abundance of quality vets to rely on, that's not Eakin's fault! If this team is going to win, it's going to be by counting on its young players. Eakins is playing the players who he'll have to rely on down the road to produce in order to win hockey games. They can't be sheltered forever; they have to learn to handle it. Eakins has the guts to continually throw them back into the fire until they figure it out. That is what they need. They're at least working under him. We have to wait for them. We don't have a choice at this point. It's not like this team has shown well in previous years under other coaches. Give this some time is all I'm saying. This should have happened more last season. Just sayin'.
The Oilers are letting in 4 goals a game, that is the very definition of being shredded by opposing NHL teams. Shots numbers are also meaningless when the vast majority of shots taken are one and done perimeter shots with no traffic, and no one willing to fight for rebounds or drive to the net.

Playing your star players power vs power is fine and all as well - when they can handle it. I have no doubt some of them will be fine power vs power players when they are no longer physical pushovers with defensively immature positioning, but force feeding them those minutes now just hurts the team, and their ability to contribute. They simply aren't going to learn anything by being thrown in the deep end and left to drown.

The Oilers actually did go out and acquire one vet who can fulfill the shelter role as well. Up to this point Gordon -a well trained defensive specialist- has been used primarily to shut down 3rd and 4th liners, a plan that is going over as well as Eakin's ineffectual swarm defensive scheme.

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10-30-2013, 08:50 AM
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One fairly consistent problem is that we can't get any space for the kids, yet we generally give the opponent all kinds of space.

Please correct one of those problems, or both.

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10-30-2013, 09:08 AM
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The learning curve of this team is painful this season, and I feel the pain of every Oilers fan right now. This is grueling. For me, this season has been the most difficult to watch of any.

That said, I have to say that I agree entirely with Dallas Eakins right now. He's relentless in his demands on this young team, and he will eventually get the result that he needs from his players. He's unwilling to flex on his demands of them, which is what they need to grow and develop. He's demanding that they play better and he's exposing the flaws in their game that they need to correct to get better and become winners. He's the most straightforward coach that we've had in that regard. It's painful; its growing pains, but he's no longer protecting our young players from themselves. He's demanding that they perform, demanding they correct their flaws. They need to, and he's right when he says that this is a process. Our young players need to learn how to take on the extra minutes and take on the other team's best lines. They'll eventually get to a point where they can play those minutes and play them well against other teams top lines. This is a direct challenge to his players.

This is gutsy for Eakins to take on and challenge the team in this way. He's fast tracking this team to be successful and pushing his players hard. They need to be pushed and challenged--not coddled. Its difficult to watch right now, frustrating, but in the long term, the Oilers will be much better off staying the course and sticking to Eakin's plan. His overall vision for the future of this team is the right one. I like Eakin's relentlessness. He'll win this battle and turn this team into a winner, if he's given the opportunity to do so. Of that, I'm convinced. He's not the issue here. Coaching is not our team's problem. I like Eakins. He's what we need leading this young team. He's taking the hard road in getting there, but it's the right road to take. It's the shortest route to take.
The trouble with this is that a means to an end is not being serviced. Eakins at best has been another carny style motivational guru and not a sensible coach and I can again list several incompetent game management decisions he makes on an ongoing basis and that are even substantiated by his spoken words which leaves no doubt that Eakins intends to take coaching actions that are known non starters among accomplished peers. Starting with forwards toi allotment and going from there.

There is no longterm gain with the practice and regimen of known failed device, there is of course only more conditioned failure, followed by learned helplessness paradigm or in simplest terms simply giving up.

Which has already occurred multiple times this season and again last night.

I don't see any indication the club is responding to eakins either. A statement game like last night on home ice where the winning goal is scored a minute or so into the game tends to say something else might be at work. This is looking closer to coach killing at this point. What indication do you have the players are even attempting to adopt system, are resolved alongside coach etc. I don't see it.

What I do see is players being individuals and continuing to make stubborn plays with little chance of success and poor offensive, defensive, and neutral zone play, and thats it, unfortunately there is no end zone in hockey..

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Yes, Eakins has a lot to prove at this level, but I don't perceive him to be making rookie mistakes; I think that he is showing great leadership, actually. He is implementing a long-term structure for success that takes primacy over short-term results. That is not something that is easy to do. It takes an incredible resolve.

Our most talented players are having more demanded from them by Eakins than from any other coach. Our talented core is still very young compared to those on the number one lines on other teams. Their development is being fast-tracked by Eakins. Our most talented players will adapt, but it takes time.

Eakins is a good coach, with a solid track record, who has a genuine vision for this team that he intends to realize. One of the most difficult things that he is implementing is he is forcing his most talented players into situations that they haven't yet been placed in or adapted to, and he's forcing them to take on considerable more minutes. He's forcing them to adapt to a new workload. Each of these demands puts them in a situation that they are challenged to adapt to in order to meet. It simultaneously speeds up their development and makes the better players. Previous Oiler coaches relied on their veterans more. Eakins is not doing that. He's relying on his best players to take those minutes. They will be better off for it, and so will the team.

Eakins is approaching games with the long-term benefit of the team in mind, which means some short-term pain for fans and the team. He is engaging his players in a painful process that will have them achieving considerable success in the shortest route possible, but it involves considerable growing pains.

The team is responding to Eakins and will get there. He has not lost the room; the players are responding, but the results aren't there yet. Eakins has had 14 games to implement his radically new structure. It is going to take some time to achieve success, but success will come from it. The players will rise to the occasion.
I can appreciate the viewpoint. I think this post is closely related to something I posted the other day...but...whatever plan Eakins has...its costing us the first quarter of the season and...at least by my math...our playoff chances are pretty much dashed.

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This team is sucking because RNH, Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Justin Schultz. Who are supposed to be our 5 best players... or future best players. Are worse then the other teams 5 best players. and quite frankly it AINEC.

Combine that with the fact our secondary players.. are not any better than any other teams secondary players.

Until those guys learn how to play the frickin game in every area of the ice.. We will continue to lose.

Eakins from I can see is trying to fast track that learning process. And god is it painful. They're getting their ***** hand to them big time and none of our secondary players are giving this team any relief.

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Eakins seems like a stubborn guy, he keeps trying the same thing again and again, fail at it, yet he tries again and again, that's insanity there !!

Someone said it earlier, he is forcing the nature of the players he have, he wants to turn each and everyone of them to a bergeron/toews type of player !! guess what, not all players are that sound defensivley !! He should focus on role play, each guy should do what he does best, RNH as a playmaker, hall/eberle scorers, and gordon/jones as shutdown guys !!

He is acting like the new girlfriend trying to change the nature of her new man, jeez !!

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He's exactly what I thought he would be. Rookie coach that would struggle to learn the NHL game. This team needed a veteran coach but I'm still hopeful that Eakins will come around.

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I'm going to withhold judgement on Eakins here, but his line matching at home is pretty mind-boggling.

Eberle-Gagner-Yakupov out against Kessel's line for every goal... why?! This should be our soft minutes, sheltered line.

Somehow Carlyle managed to get Raymond-Bolland-Clarkson out against Jones-RNH-Hemsky while getting second change, yet Eakins can't get Gordon out against Kessel's line? Hell, even matching RNH's line with Kessel's would be better than matching the Gagner line with it. That was a disaster waiting to happen, and it did.

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I never thought I'd say this after just 14 games, but I blame Eakins for this mess. The line-matching last night on home ice was mind-boggling. Seriously, its not a sign of weakness to put a checking line up against the other teams top line...

He thinks he is so smart that he is going to do everything counter to 50 years of coaching logic. Sure he likes to keep in shape, is a good talker and has a hot wife but he may also be just stubborn and frankly he might be an idiot. I liked Kruger, all he needed was a better support staff. Instead we got this know-it-all.

To early to fire him, I think we have to ride out the year, and hope by the end of the year he will deserve another, but he has a long ways to go before he gets back in my good books.

He also needs to take Yakupov off the top line, no chemisty with Ebs, its plain to see... Top line should be Nuge, Ebs and Perron. Alright I'm now going to try and take a week off from this mess... scerenity now...

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I'm still not blaming Eakins for this mess. I think he's starting to realize that this team has a bunch of skilled players who have had success throughout their entire lives prior to the NHL and they're not used to successfully dealing with adversity because they never have had to.

I have a hard time blaming toe drags into 2 defenders on the coach.

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If I'm being honest... when I first heard Eakins and all his talk (some might call it bluster) about fitness and coming in and changing everything up to healthier eating etc... I really did have the thought that's all well and good but what will this actually do on the ice where the game is actually played? Does this guy actually have the coaching systems and methods to get the most out of this team?

Those were my initial thoughts and of course I was willing to give him time to learn what this team had and what he had to work with. He's a green rookie at the NHL level and of course he's got to go through a learning stage as well... it's also a trial by fire thrown into a lottery type team like this coming out of a rebuild.

Fans/media and everyone else are expecting an upward trajectory for this team coming out of the rebuild (supposedly) so he has little leeway for a mediocre season after what this team has done for the last several years.

Some will say this is just 20-20 hindsight talking since they've played so poorly so far... but honestly the thought that went through my head before the season started was "Fired by Christmas". I'm not saying I thought he'd be a uber-crappy coach because he hadn't even had a chance to show what he could do... BUT I could see the team hadn't been improved this summer as much as most thought and it was a bunch of new players once again being thrown together with a green rookie HC all expected to gel and develop chemistry together. Chances of failure were and are pretty high in that situation.

It could have gone like the Avalanche are looking so far (rookie coach on a team that's been mediocre the last few years as well) ... but obviously the Oilers are in a deeper hole and with even more problems.

Still... Eakins needs to be given a shot at turning this around but honestly if this team is still sitting in 14th in the West and close to bottom in the NHL in a months time... very real possibility he'll be gone by Christmas. MacT will likely shake up the team somewhat by trading pieces (likely major pieces as well) by then but I still wouldn't rule out an Eakins firing if it doesn't look like he can do better with this team than what's currently happening.

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Like to add one more thing. Why, when at home, can Eakins not play a good checking line against the oppositions top line? Nope, he throws out guys that are suppose to score and we end up in our own end all night and the puck in the back of our net. Not once, but 4 bloody times.

Just stupid.
You need the personnel necessary to make a good checking line before you can deploy a checking line. We have Boyd Gordon and a bunch of defensively inept wingers...Who would you suggest make up this checking line you talk of? I've heard this suggestion Perron-Gordon-Hemsky.....Not sure in what universe this is a checking line....

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Eakins needs to treat his players differently,

He needs to take them on a shopping spree and tell them they're pretty, it works for the women i know.

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You need the personnel necessary to make a good checking line before you can deploy a checking line. We have Boyd Gordon and a bunch of defensively inept wingers...Who would you suggest make up this checking line you talk of? I've heard this suggestion Perron-Gordon-Hemsky.....Not sure in what universe this is a checking line....
Checkers aren't born that way. They're players who are asked to do a job, they make a commitment to doing that job and they figure out how to do it.

Some of the best checkers in the league were drafted as scorers. In fact, we've seen a few come through EDM over the years and we can look over the league and find all different shapes & sizes of checking players.

There is no good reason why we can't get 2 fricking wingers in a network of however many we have between the big clubs roster & the AHL roster to do this job.

And its almost a moot point because I insist...having a checking line is just one small part of being a decent all around defensive team (which we are a far cry from at this point).

Several top line fwds & D-Men on this team have a TERRIBLE approach to the game which blatantly places far more focus, energy and pride onto the goal scoring aspect than the defensive side of the game.

Run & gun is a nice way of describing a STUPID & FUTILE way to play this game. Lars Eller put it into perspective last week and while it might have inspired the fellas' to win ONE game...it clearly hasn't caused them to collectively review the way they want to play the game.

Until they ALL get off this wild runaway, ego driven attempt to score high light real goals every time they get NEAR the puck...the same problems are going to continue costing in the win column.

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Checkers aren't born that way. They're players who are asked to do a job, they make a commitment to doing that job and they figure out how to do it.

Some of the best checkers in the league were drafted as scorers. In fact, we've seen a few come through EDM over the years and we can look over the league and find all different shapes & sizes of checking players.

There is no good reason why we can't get 2 fricking wingers in a network of however many we have between the big clubs roster & the AHL roster to do this job.

And its almost a moot point because I insist...having a checking line is just one small part of being a decent all around defensive team (which we are a far cry from at this point).

Several top line fwds & D-Men on this team have a TERRIBLE approach to the game which blatantly places far more focus, energy and pride onto the goal scoring aspect than the defensive side of the game.

Run & gun is a nice way of describing a STUPID & FUTILE way to play this game. Lars Eller put it into perspective last week and while it might have inspired the fellas' to win ONE game...it clearly hasn't caused them to collectively review the way they want to play the game.

Until they ALL get off this wild runaway, ego driven attempt to score high light real goals every time they get NEAR the puck...the same problems are going to continue costing in the win column.
Fair enough points. Checkers aren't born that way but at the same time you can't turn just anyone into a checker over night. Some around here think you can plunk anyone beside Gordon and that's a checking line. Have another look at the oilers depth chart there aren't an awful lot of options when it comes to putting together a legit checking line. Gordon is obviously the center but after that the options on the wing aren't very promising. I suppose you can blame many different levels of the organization for that predicament. As you stated it's probably a moot point if you have the rest of the team running around playing run and gun like its the '80s all over again. Where do you start

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The Oilers out shot the Leafs 43-25--that's not getting shredded! They gave up 4 goals to a potent Leafs offense, while being stone walled by Reimer. The kids need to produce for us offensively. I've been saying that for a while. They don't produce offense consistently. They're getting paid well to perform. It's time they perform! You can't shelter your most talented players forever. They need to be relied upon.

As you said, we don't have an abundance of quality vets to rely on, that's not Eakin's fault! If this team is going to win, it's going to be by counting on its young players. Eakins is playing the players who he'll have to rely on down the road to produce in order to win hockey games. They can't be sheltered forever; they have to learn to handle it. Eakins has the guts to continually throw them back into the fire until they figure it out. That is what they need. They're at least working under him. We have to wait for them. We don't have a choice at this point. It's not like this team has shown well in previous years under other coaches. Give this some time is all I'm saying. This should have happened more last season. Just sayin'.
Just wonder what you're thoughts or reasoning would be behind , for example, last night's game. The Oilers went really hard in the off season after a really solid checking centre in Boyd Gordon to win face offs and check the oppositions best line. Kudos to MacT for getting him. Sam Gagner has never been known as a checker and has missed the last month and a half recovering from a broken jaw. Phil Kessel is on the Leafs #1 line with James Van Reimsdyk. If the team didn't get Gordon to play against lines like the JVR one, pray tell, what did they get him for? And to expect the light checking Gagner to come back and do it in his first game with that other noted checker Nail Yakupov, and you get the expected result.

Everyone knows the kids have to sink or swim on their own eventually. But using role players effectively and correctly is part of that plan, I would think. And, as the results from last night show, it is obvious the wrong plan was in place. The scary thing is, I'm not sure Eakins is convinced he may have erred, based on his post game comments.

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The scary thing is, I'm not sure Eakins is convinced he may have erred, based on his post game comments.
This is really scary. The time to adjust is now, not more excuses thinking that in 20, 30, 41, 82 games the players will eventually "buy in" and they'll be able to win consistently with the systems currently in place.

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Somebody ask the kids how they like playing against Thornton and Datsyuk, 2 of the best defensive centers in the game. Or Toews. That's smarts, commitment, and compete level. These guys were known as offensive stars and they made themselves into complete players.

Some guys like Bergeron and Toews were like that all along, but it's a learning process for most skilled players. Even Yzerman.

The problem is, as noted before, that most of our players haven't received the strong coaching and veteran guidance in their careers to this point.

One major reason I'm thinking Eakins isn't the problem, is that most of Mac T's new acquisitions (Perron, Gordon, Ference, and even Belov other than last night) have been pretty solid and seem to at least understand the basics of the system.

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He's stubborn.

He insists on hard work and compete.

He goes power vs power.

I don't think he knows the team that well yet, tbh. He seems to be still figuring out guys.

He gives huge minutes to his top six, including defensive responsibilities. It's not terrible to use a checking line to shutdown a scoring line. Other teams do this, but he insists on testing his skilled players.

But he tends to spread around D ice-time unless someone is playing extremely well in a game.

He can do a better job of adapting in a game.

His strength isn't the powerplay.

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Everyone knows the kids have to sink or swim on their own eventually. But using role players effectively and correctly is part of that plan, I would think. And, as the results from last night show, it is obvious the wrong plan was in place. The scary thing is, I'm not sure Eakins is convinced he may have erred, based on his post game comments.
Indeed.

Both Eakins and MacT seem totally clueless to decisions actually affecting the outcomes.

From a motivation standpoint Eakins befriended the veterans, naming Ference captain and playing Smyth and Hemsky on the 1st line while he ran the kids ragged, playing Nuge 28 minutes in his first game and playing the kids against the best players in the league. Krueger had actually done a good job motivating the kids and getting a calder/all-star performance out of the young core. So hanging your coaching hat on some hard lessons to overcome a culture of failure, while regressing, is at best a mistake. If the pattern continues it may ultimately mean we will have to pay more for any FA help and for contract extensions. Our cap room will run out very quickly and at this rate we will have earned nothing but bad publicity for next season.

Eakins needs to win and use whatever tactics are available to do so. He does not need to continue to preach to deaf ears about a failing system while blaming struggles on some twenty-somethings who already went through one culture change when they first got here.

Trade them or make smarter tactical choices but most of all own up to bad decision making--which is the one thing that extends from Lowe all the way down to Eakins. You can't preach accountability when your President is Kevin Lowe and has the legacy of Lowe/MacT, Lowe/Quinn/Renney, Lowe/Tambellini/Renney, Lowe/Tembellini/Krueger, Lowe/MacTavish/Eakins.

Ending on a low note this year would be devastating and pulling out of this requires more leadership from the management and coaching staff than it does from the players, in my not so humble opinion.

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