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10-30-2013, 11:39 AM
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For a #6 or #7 Potter had a very nice range of skills.

Size
Grit
Decent Positioning
Decent Speed
Decent Puck mover
Decent PK
Decent PP

He really is a nice all around D-man. Very much an NHL level depth defenseman. Far better than Greb, Whit, Peckam, and on some nights even better than N. Shultz.

I think Whitney being his partner sunk him here in Edmonton.
See, I see you put all those things, and I can't for the life of me figure out who you're talking about. Is there some Potter on another team that's an NHL player the embodies all those things? Because the one the Oilers have certainly does/is not.

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10-30-2013, 11:40 AM
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Minor moves. Everyone knew when MacT was signing crap defenseman all summer Potter was as good as gone as soon as he was healthy. Grebeshkov was an experiment that failed.

Neither of these will solve the fact that the Oilers have far to many one dimensional players are soft as baby ****.

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10-30-2013, 11:43 AM
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See, I see you put all those things, and I can't for the life of me figure out who you're talking about. Is there some Potter on another team that's an NHL player the embodies all those things? Because the one the Oilers have certainly does/is not.
I think he's talking about the Potter that was on a top 5 powerplay unit in the NHL.

It was a mistake to waive him.

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10-30-2013, 11:44 AM
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I think he's talking about the Potter that was on a top 5 powerplay unit in the NHL.

It was a mistake to waive him.


Yes, Corey Potter contributed alot to that..geez

There's NO Mistake in Potter not being on your NHL team.

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10-30-2013, 11:46 AM
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I don't understand how this happens today instead of yesterday, knowing that Perron is sick and sending Lander out the door.
Did we know Perron was sick when we sent Lander down?

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10-30-2013, 11:50 AM
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Did we know Perron was sick when we sent Lander down?
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Coach Eakins says Perron was feeling sick after morning skate, did not improve in the afternoon. Pre-scheduled #Oilers off-day tomorrow.

The times probably didn't overlap. Lander was probably down before Noon EST, practice wasn't tip 11ish MT.

This rendition of the Oilers consistently puts themselves in situations where they only carry 12 forwards at a time. Are we to believe things changed between Grebs performance yesterday and Potter eating popcorn that was the impetus to waive them today?

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10-30-2013, 11:56 AM
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Coach Eakins says Perron was feeling sick after morning skate, did not improve in the afternoon. Pre-scheduled #Oilers off-day tomorrow.

The times probably didn't overlap. Lander was probably down before Noon EST, practice wasn't tip 11ish MT.

This rendition of the Oilers consistently puts themselves in situations where they only carry 12 forwards at a time. Are we to believe things changed between Grebs performance yesterday and Potter eating popcorn that was the impetus to waive them today?
Grebeshkov hasn't been good, I'm a fan of the guy and I whole heartedly believe that. And Potter just isn't good, so you're not really losing much there.

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10-30-2013, 12:05 PM
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Did we know Perron was sick when we sent Lander down?
Team doctors discovered some type of articulated bone structure running down the middle of his back. Most of the new staff has never seen anything like it, but a longtime medical assistant mentioned that they were quite common on Oiler players during the 05-06 season.

Eakins held him out because this condition made Perron look and behave in a manner associated with the teams that keep defeating the Oilers.

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10-30-2013, 12:07 PM
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Well no team will pick up Grebs or Potter so they'll still be on the Oilers when another 2 forwards get hurt.

I can envision a 4th line of Grebs-Larsen-Potter

Not the best 4th line because none of those forwards are very good defensively.

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10-30-2013, 12:10 PM
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Is MacT nuts? Doesn't he know that Potter is 82 overall on NHL14?

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10-30-2013, 12:11 PM
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When they waive the entire management staff then I will state the Oilers are making progress.
Then replace them with the sportsnet broadcast team. It will be the Louie and Scare Crow show with Tweedledum as the propaganda minister.

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10-30-2013, 12:14 PM
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See, I see you put all those things, and I can't for the life of me figure out who you're talking about. Is there some Potter on another team that's an NHL player the embodies all those things? Because the one the Oilers have certainly does/is not.
Ah JJ, don't let basic stats keep you from the truth.

Potter played 33 games last year, scored 4 points (replaced on the PP by Schultz) and had the best plus minus of any Oiler with plus 8. He only had six penalty minutes so posters can't make up stuff like he cost the team bad penalties. He clearly didn't.

By comparison, Nick Schultz had a -13 in 48 games and Justin Schultz had a -17 in 48 games.

In case you don't realize what plus minus means - despite the reputation that Justin Schultz is some type of wunderkid, he was on the ice for 17 more goals against than for (excepting pp and pk).

Potter was quite acceptable as a 5/6/7 dman for the Oilers last year.

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10-30-2013, 12:18 PM
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Ah JJ, don't let basic stats keep you from the truth.

Potter played 33 games last year, scored 4 points (replaced on the PP by Schultz) and had the best plus minus of any Oiler with plus 8. He only had six penalty minutes so posters can't make up stuff like he cost the team bad penalties. He clearly didn't.

By comparison, Nick Schultz had a -13 in 48 games and Justin Schultz had a -17 in 48 games.

In case you don't realize what plus minus means - despite the reputation that Justin Schultz is some type of wunderkid, he was on the ice for 17 more goals against than for (excepting pp and pk).

Potter was quite acceptable as a 5/6/7 dman for the Oilers last year.
Thanks slick the smugness is greatly appriciated.

So if we think A Little Deeper, we see that the Schultz struggles could have been, and Very Likely were, due to Lack of competent NHL depth support, ie Corey Potter. So while Potter looks like he was competent on Paper, the reality when we look at the defense on the whole and as a unit, Not so much.

If you want Corey Potter on your team, that's your thing, but he's a marginal NHLer/AHL guy, lets stop pretending he's more then that or he'll achieve the same status as the legend of Ryan Stone.

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10-30-2013, 12:30 PM
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Ah JJ, don't let basic stats keep you from the truth.

Potter played 33 games last year, scored 4 points (replaced on the PP by Schultz) and had the best plus minus of any Oiler with plus 8. He only had six penalty minutes so posters can't make up stuff like he cost the team bad penalties. He clearly didn't.

By comparison, Nick Schultz had a -13 in 48 games and Justin Schultz had a -17 in 48 games.

In case you don't realize what plus minus means - despite the reputation that Justin Schultz is some type of wunderkid, he was on the ice for 17 more goals against than for (excepting pp and pk).

Potter was quite acceptable as a 5/6/7 dman for the Oilers last year.
QFT.

Even though I'll admit that he did play against lesser competition, you can't overlook the fact that he did a fine job against that competition. Classic case of scapegoating imo, there were much better people to blame for our poor D last year.

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10-30-2013, 12:35 PM
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Team doctors discovered some type of articulated bone structure running down the middle of his back. Most of the new staff has never seen anything like it, but a longtime medical assistant mentioned that they were quite common on Oiler players during the 05-06 season.


no biggie on these waivers - at least MacT made these decisions now and didn't wait for another 3 months as Tambo would have (maybe more like the next off-season with him)

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10-30-2013, 12:43 PM
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Well no team will pick up Grebs or Potter so they'll still be on the Oilers when another 2 forwards get hurt.

I can envision a 4th line of Grebs-Larsen-Potter

Not the best 4th line because none of those forwards are very good defensively.
I bet that Calgary picks up one of them to replace Giordano

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10-30-2013, 01:02 PM
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I bet that Calgary picks up one of them to replace Giordano
We can only hope

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I don't the Potter hate. Watch the Wings claim him. he cant play on our crap team, but he will play well somewhere else.

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Good. We need fewer 8th d-men and more 1st-6th d-men.

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10-30-2013, 01:16 PM
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What a great signing potter was.

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Thanks slick the smugness is greatly appriciated.

So if we think A Little Deeper, we see that the Schultz struggles could have been, and Very Likely were, due to Lack of competent NHL depth support, ie Corey Potter. So while Potter looks like he was competent on Paper, the reality when we look at the defense on the whole and as a unit, Not so much.

If you want Corey Potter on your team, that's your thing, but he's a marginal NHLer/AHL guy, lets stop pretending he's more then that or he'll achieve the same status as the legend of Ryan Stone.
Sorry JJ, I don't mean to sound smug, but I think people forget what some stats mean. I don't disagree that Schultz should be on the third pairing, and greater defensive depth would have helped with that. But that's not Potter's fault - that's on Tambellini.

I realize that plus/minus isn't an exact indicator, but a -17 for Justin Schultz, with a plus 8 for Potter - is a 25 goal differential difference. That's speaks volumes for two players playing on the same team, in front of the same goaltender.

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10-30-2013, 01:54 PM
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Management continues to change out guys who are well down on the depth chart from where the real problems exist.

Potter is a decent 3rd pairing guy on this team. Ive always maintained this.

However...it really doesn't matter at this point we need to get our top 2 guys playing like they're top pairing guys.

Justin Schultz is KILLING this team right meow. Not Corey Potter.

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10-30-2013, 01:56 PM
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I can't even imagine how bad Potter would have been in the disaster that is this defense.
He was actually pretty good last year.

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10-30-2013, 02:03 PM
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I'm really surprised Potter was put on waivers. Not because he is great or anything, but how is N. Schultz still getting in every game? At least give Potter a chance to play better than him. Is this another case of the "vet" getting the nod in the lineup due to his experience? That's the only thing I've got seeing going for him at this point as his play has been terrible.

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I'm really surprised Potter was put on waivers. Not because he is great or anything, but how is N. Schultz still getting in every game? At least give Potter a chance to play better than him. Is this another case of the "vet" getting the nod in the lineup due to his experience? That's the only thing I've got seeing going for him at this point as his play has been terrible.
I am no Nick Schultz fan by any means but he has been quite decent the last 2-3 games.

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