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10-31-2013, 12:26 AM
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Here is non homer view of this team and what I would do to it.

I would trade Eberle for a legitimate 1st line center. I know many people think RNH is this guy but he is 3-4 years away from been strong enough to handle this. Let's be honest if you want to be a contending team your top center can't be 170 (with equipment). I think RNH is great but he is not ready for top duties. A deep team has this guy on a 3rd line learning The defensive side of the game and one day take over number one. Lars Eller showed promise for 3 years but lacked the stength and defensive game. The Habs kept him on the 3rd line for 3 years, sat him upstairs told him to be more physical and 3 years later he is a legitimate number 1 center.

I like Eberle but he can't and isn't willing to GET the puck.when the puck is on his stick look out but when it's not right now who will get it back? RNH? Nope. Yakupov? Nope. Hall? On occasion.I t
Hink with the right line mates Eberle is Patrick Kane good. The reason I would trade him is he would be able to bring you a top center.

Hemsky is a top player and is mature. I would keep him and give him Eberle minutes. With Hall on the left.

Another trade I would do is yakupov and a 1st for a legitimate top 1or2 dman. Sad part is this could of been had prior to drafting yakupov. That pick would of been worth more as a draft pick IMO.

I would also trade Justin Schultz. Only because the Oilers need so much help on D and Schultz could be desirable as a PP specialists. I would look for a bigger good 2nd line winger ala Dave Bolland, van reimsdyk, pattioretty type.

Therefore line up would look like this.

Hemsky (Xxx) Hall.
Perron Gagne (xxx)
Joensuu RNH Pitlick
Gadzic Gordon jones
Hamilton smith

(xxx/UFA) (xxx)
Belov petry
Ference Smid

Klefbom nurse develop in minors for a couple years and take over Smid and ference with upside to be top 1or2 in a few years.

Gagne is your 2nd line center until RNH can move up the ladder in 2-3 years.

Gordon is your face-off specialist and a depth center injury relief.

Joensuu and Pitlick develop on a 3rd line with RNH.

As for goalies well, dubnyk is a good backup but with better overall team defense would help him out as well.
anyway I am not an oilers fan but watch a lot of their games. They cannot win with this lineup. Not enough compete and it kills the team. Gotta change some things.

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10-31-2013, 12:43 AM
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If you actually put RNH on the third line and Gordon on the fourth line, I would single handedly start a riot ala Vancouver Canucks.

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10-31-2013, 12:58 AM
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Stauffer tweeting about the Nash trade and how Howson did okay. Is Bob starting to massage the idea that we might trade one of the young core?

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10-31-2013, 01:17 AM
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Stauffer tweeting about the Nash trade and how Howson did okay. Is Bob starting to massage the idea that we might trade one of the young core?
Probably floating out the idea of Howson becoming GM and replacing MacT who moves behind the bench as coach.

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10-31-2013, 01:25 AM
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Im dying guys , this is just killing me

I cant miss the playoffs again , I want change and I want it yesterday

the only untouchables are Hall , Rnh, Perron , Gordon and Eberle everyone else is tradable


Perron- RNH- Eberle
Hall- BIG CENTER -BIG RW both gritty with decent hands
BIG HARD HITTING RW - Gordon - BIG HARD HITTING LW
BIG HARD HITTING RW- BIG HARD HITTING C- BIG HARD HITTING LW

NEW D THAT CAN PLAY D , LET J SCHULTZ BE THE OFFENSIVE D MAN

A GOALIE WHO CAN STOP A BEACHBALL

Trade hemsky , trade yak , trade Gagner just make this happen pls

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10-31-2013, 02:06 AM
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Im dying guys , this is just killing me

I cant miss the playoffs again , I want change and I want it yesterday

the only untouchables are Hall , Rnh, Perron , Gordon and Eberle everyone else is tradable


Perron- RNH- Eberle
Hall- BIG CENTER -BIG RW both gritty with decent hands
BIG HARD HITTING RW - Gordon - BIG HARD HITTING LW
BIG HARD HITTING RW- BIG HARD HITTING C- BIG HARD HITTING LW

NEW D THAT CAN PLAY D , LET J SCHULTZ BE THE OFFENSIVE D MAN

A GOALIE WHO CAN STOP A BEACHBALL

Trade hemsky , trade yak , trade Gagner just make this happen pls
Draw a big R on your right hand, and a big L on your left.

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10-31-2013, 02:38 AM
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Im dying guys , this is just killing me

I cant miss the playoffs again , I want change and I want it yesterday

the only untouchables are Hall , Rnh, Perron , Gordon and Eberle everyone else is tradable


Perron- RNH- Eberle
Hall- BIG CENTER -BIG RW both gritty with decent hands
BIG HARD HITTING RW - Gordon - BIG HARD HITTING LW
BIG HARD HITTING RW- BIG HARD HITTING C- BIG HARD HITTING LW

NEW D THAT CAN PLAY D , LET J SCHULTZ BE THE OFFENSIVE D MAN

A GOALIE WHO CAN STOP A BEACHBALL

Trade hemsky , trade yak , trade Gagner just make this happen pls
And I'm not just talking about the left and right wings being on the wrong side.

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10-31-2013, 03:51 AM
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Why not take a chance with Ilya bryzgalov and put a focus on D .....?
Can't be worse than than the 4+ gaa so far

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10-31-2013, 04:26 AM
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Stauffer tweeting about the Nash trade and how Howson did okay. Is Bob starting to massage the idea that we might trade one of the young core?
Stauffer is trying to soften the blow of a trade that about 40% of us know is coming this year, 20% think next year and 40% never

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10-31-2013, 05:42 AM
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Stauffer tweeting about the Nash trade and how Howson did okay. Is Bob starting to massage the idea that we might trade one of the young core?
It definitely means something. It's too random and off-base of a tweet.

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10-31-2013, 06:25 AM
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Playoffs are gone if they don't win say 6 of the next 8 games. Even then, huge long shot. Good idea to not make any panic moves. Dubnyk is a UFA, so that position can be addressed. N Schultz, Potter and Grebs can all be gone. Smyth, Hemsky, Acton, Eager and Jones can all be replaced. The issue is our pro scouts have a bad track record for the past many years now.

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10-31-2013, 07:59 AM
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I'm pretty sure that E. Kane is LW.
And what is the problem with that?

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10-31-2013, 08:05 AM
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Stauffer tweeting about the Nash trade and how Howson did okay. Is Bob starting to massage the idea that we might trade one of the young core?
It's pretty easy to look at a trade for a guy who is currently injured. Meanwhile, Dubinsky and Anisimov are both having career years right now.

Contracts aside, I still don't think the return for a 1st overall is all that good. This team should be capable of rebuilding without trading a 1st overall pick.

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10-31-2013, 08:26 AM
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It's pretty easy to look at a trade for a guy who is currently injured. Meanwhile, Dubinsky and Anisimov are both having career years right now.

Contracts aside, I still don't think the return for a 1st overall is all that good. This team should be capable of rebuilding without trading a 1st overall pick.
We were capable but we failed. We didn't draft a single difference maker who can help us this year, year four, outside of the first overalls.


Its as simple as that. No Bickells, No Shaws.

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10-31-2013, 08:31 AM
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We were capable but we failed. We didn't draft a single difference maker who can help us this year, year four, outside of the first overalls.


Its as simple as that. No Bickells, No Shaws.
While we might've failed that way we did something other teams don't always get and that's J.Schultz and Arcobello. 2 kids out of college that have helped greatly.

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10-31-2013, 08:45 AM
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Nash type move.. I would trade Eberle if it got us a veteran 2-way center and RW. If we could also move the 1st and/or Gagner for a top pairing dman that would be great. Any combination that could net those 3 types of players would be a success.

The team would still be stacked with young talent in the NHL and on the way to the NHL but major holes could be sealed. At this point I think guys like Eberle and Gagner are expendable but have value to more well-rounded teams. And the 1st isn't really what we need right now, Ekblad might be a franchise dman but probably not at 18 and we don't have the right guys to insulate young players like that. Trading that pick would be bold. Trading that pick says to everyone, fans, the league, and the team that it's time to grow up and compete.

I don't really like fantasizing about line combos (My coffee isn't finished yet and I probably forgot someone) but I honestly think with a RW, C and D that can handle top competition we would be looking great. Young players could be insulated but have room to move up.

Hall - C - Hemsky
Perron - RNH - RW/Yak
Joensuu - Gordon - Yakupov/RW
Gazdic - Acton/Arco//Lander - Pitlick/Jones

D - Petry
Ference - J.Schultz
N.Schultz/Belov - Smid

Goaltending would still be a nightmare most likely, but at least we'd have a team.

We need to pull off a trade similar to the Nash trade. This team seriously needs more veteran players that can compete and less toe-dragging kids slapped together.

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While we might've failed that way we did something other teams don't always get and that's J.Schultz and Arcobello. 2 kids out of college that have helped greatly.
Sure, but they are both small and one is extremely soft, just like the rest of our difference makers. There's a number of problems with our team. Its not one thing that needs fixing.

The whole idea of drafting BPA despite needs is so you can trade the highest value for peices you need.

This team make up isn't going to be magically better next year.

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10-31-2013, 08:49 AM
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It's pretty easy to look at a trade for a guy who is currently injured. Meanwhile, Dubinsky and Anisimov are both having career years right now.

Contracts aside, I still don't think the return for a 1st overall is all that good. This team should be capable of rebuilding without trading a 1st overall pick.
I think the 1st pick could get us what we need if we packaged it with players like Gagner and Eberle.

I also don't think we need the pick as much as we need help right now.

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Sure, but they are both small and one is extremely soft, just like the rest of our difference makers. There's a number of problems with our team. Its not one thing that needs fixing.

The whole idea of drafting BPA despite needs is so you can trade the highest value for peices you need.

This team make up isn't going to be magically better next year.
Why not? Klefbom could be ready, maybe one of Nurse/Marincin/Davidson. Have Pitlick and Lander knocking on the door.

Problem is not all players develop as quickly as others. You named Bickell, but it took him until he was 24 to really do anything and most didn't notice him until he was 26.

MacT needs to makes a few adjustments and things will be better.

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10-31-2013, 08:56 AM
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Stauffer is just pumping Howson's tires because he thinks that Howson got a raw deal in Ohio.

And he probably did.

But look on the bright side, he's built more playoff contenders than Tambellini!

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It's pretty easy to look at a trade for a guy who is currently injured. Meanwhile, Dubinsky and Anisimov are both having career years right now.

Contracts aside, I still don't think the return for a 1st overall is all that good. This team should be capable of rebuilding without trading a 1st overall pick.
I don't see how the Nash trade offers any lessons for us to draw from. He was an established vet who demanded a trade. We're talking about trading a relatively unproven commodity that we control. There's really no precedent for the kind of deal people are talking about.

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Stauffer is trying to soften the blow of a trade that about 40% of us know is coming this year, 20% think next year and 40% never
He's just doing his usual cover all bases so he can never be wrong musings. He said just the other day that the Oilers should not be trading any of the young guys. He simply takes a topic, muses polar opposite ideas and then claims credit for knowing what was up when something happens or doesn't happen.

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Stauffer is just pumping Howson's tires because he thinks that Howson got a raw deal in Ohio.

And he probably did.

But look on the bright side, he's built more playoff contenders than Tambellini!
Howson did not in any way get a raw deal in columbus. He had a lot of time and was given total autonomy to make any moves he felt were right. Howson has always been a bit of a buddy and source for Stauffer, they get along well.

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I don't see how the Nash trade offers any lessons for us to draw from. He was an established vet who demanded a trade. We're talking about trading a relatively unproven commodity that we control. There's really no precedent for the kind of deal people are talking about.
Agreed, two very different situations. I will say one thing, as far as a big trade is concerned, the Oilers have to make one soon or not at all because they will be virtually out of the playoffs in a few more games. A big move would not surprise me at all.

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We were capable but we failed. We didn't draft a single difference maker who can help us this year, year four, outside of the first overalls.


Its as simple as that. No Bickells, No Shaws.
No offence but if I hear this again I'm going to go around and start flipping tables. Our scouting since the rebuild started is not even close to the problem.

The reason why Chicago wins their division is because they have elite forwards AND elite defencemen. Shaw and Bickell helped in the playoffs but aren't the difference makers that we need. They were the difference between a winner and a contender, not a lottery pick and a playoff team.

Hell, look at the Maple Leafs. We both started the rebuild in 2010 and have done significantly better at drafting then the leafs.

Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Nurse, Klefbom, > Rielly, Gauthier, Biggs, Percy

The leafs managed to rebuild by acquiring Lupul, Phaneuf, Franson, Bernier and Jake Gardiner without giving up anything significant.

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