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10-31-2013, 12:29 PM
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Should be something like

Weber-Doughty
Pietrangelo-Keith
Subban-Staal
Letang

But again I could be wrong. Seabrook, Beauchemin and even Phaneuf have a shot this year. Its going to be very interesting !

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Who denied it? Our company employs over 600 people. The biggest issue? Racism against the white workforce. How's that for a turn of events? Team Canada is going to take whoever they feel deserves it, whoever Babcock wants to coach and thinks will follow his gameplan.

If Sid wants his buddy on the team, he'll get it. I don't think Kunitz has any business there, neither to many of the other suggested names. Truth is, TSN is spitting out gossip, nothing more. They aren't on the inside of anything.
Are you seriously trying to downplay racism against blacks..?

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10-31-2013, 01:20 PM
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Are you seriously trying to downplay racism against blacks..?
I think his point is that racism exists in and against all cultures. You can work in an environment where the majority of the employees are black and be discriminated against because you are white. This would also qualify as racism.

But I am off topic.

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10-31-2013, 01:29 PM
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Hockey Canada are a bunch of clowns they almost blew it in 2010 when they put together a team supposedly designed to check Russians but almost lost to USA due to lack of offence.

They snubbed Brad Richards and Vincent Lecavalier, instead put on guys like Mike Richards/Morrow/Begeron/Toews (at the time, not as good as they are now).

It's all been forgotten since they won that gold medal game 2-1 but it was pretty close especially with Luongo mishandling shots all over and dropping big rebounds.

It will be pretty funny if they snub a superstar like Subban and don't win gold, the fallout and crying will be delicious. Get rid of Yzerman.

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10-31-2013, 01:39 PM
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The worst part of Subban potentially not making it is that you get to dress 7 guys in the Olympics. Does anyone actually believe that Weber or Letang are better options on the PP than Subban? Even if you think he's a defensive liability (which is total BS) he's the best PP dman Canada could bring and I don't feel like it's close.

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10-31-2013, 01:42 PM
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My logic for the PP would be PK and Weber or Doughty. I said, very clearly, that TC could be putting Letang over PK on the 1st PP unit due to the Pens connection, same thing Kunitz's name has come up as being on the 1st line with Sid.

I also said that if Kunitz's name has been considered for the 1st line due to chemistry with Sid (based on Yzerman words, which is in the know, I think ), then one has to wonder if they'll adopt the same philosophy for the PP. I clearly said one could assume Letang could get the nod on PP over PK 1st unit based on Kunitz decision. Or, they go with 4 players (different ones) with Sid and not Kunitz/Letang. After all, its a bit different on the PP as you can practice some stuff, set plays, etc... Canada can put 3 solid PP units on the ice anyway.

Read all my posts please before assuming things. I always tought Letang was a bit overrated with inflated stats due to him being on the Pens, which are all about offense. I also said I tought PK was better than Letang and said I tought PK, Markov or several other Dmen in the league would all be better than Letang in Pitts.

No need to try to convince me that PK would be a best option than Letang on the 1st PP.
Hey, I can spit out a million ''could'' as well, that's not the point.

The root of the discussion is PK being too high risk while Letang isn't, and he also is behind a 37yo concussed man who isn't playing. Btw, both these guys together combine for less games played than PK this year.

But you're putting too much emphasis on these words by Yzerman. Chemistry is important, but I doubt that's what will weigh the most during player selection.
Otherwise we should expect to all the players come in packages:
Crosby-Kunitz-Letang
Lucic-Bergeron-Marchand
Toews-Sharp-Keith-Seabrook-Crawford
Richards-Carter-Doughty
StL-Stamkos
Subban-Price
Thornton-Couture-Boyle
Stall bros
...
Let's not overrate this chemistry issue.
There's only a few players that were invited to Orientation camp that came in solo.
Mike Smith, Marc Methot, Phaneuf, Giroux and Shea Weber.

The rest all have links.

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10-31-2013, 01:52 PM
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I think his point is that racism exists in and against all cultures. You can work in an environment where the majority of the employees are black and be discriminated against because you are white. This would also qualify as racism.

But I am off topic.
Someone gets it.

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10-31-2013, 01:57 PM
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The worst part of Subban potentially not making it is that you get to dress 7 guys in the Olympics. Does anyone actually believe that Weber or Letang are better options on the PP than Subban? Even if you think he's a defensive liability (which is total BS) he's the best PP dman Canada could bring and I don't feel like it's close.
Weber was horrid in 2010 and lost his spot to Doughty. If they had have taken some old body for "veteran" presence instead of Doughty they would have lost the gold medal game 100%.

In my eyes I just don't see how anyone on the right hand side is better than Subban realistically. What has anyone done besides Doughty to have earned a role more than PK on the right side? Weber - squat, Pietrangelo - squat, Seabrook is being considered by people on here becuase of Keith when he doesn't even play with Keith anymore haha, Letang is MA Bergeron on a good team.

Obviously Dreger is a Eklund type shill and needs to create controversy to remain relevant but I'm surprised Bob didn't tell him he's out of his mind.

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10-31-2013, 02:09 PM
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He should make it.

I kinda hope he doesn't and then proceeds to *****slap every team in the league for the insult.

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10-31-2013, 02:14 PM
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He should make it.

I kinda hope he doesn't and then proceeds to *****slap every team in the league for the insult.
I hope it motivates him even further so he kicks it up another notch.

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10-31-2013, 02:14 PM
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But you're putting too much emphasis on these words by Yzerman. Chemistry is important, but I doubt that's what will weigh the most during player selection.
Otherwise we should expect to all the players come in packages:
Crosby-Kunitz-Letang
Lucic-Bergeron-Marchand
Toews-Sharp-Keith-Seabrook-Crawford
Richards-Carter-Doughty
StL-Stamkos
Subban-Price
Thornton-Couture-Boyle
Stall bros
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Let's not overrate this chemistry issue.
Chemistry was a topic because of how they had troubles finding wingers for Sid in 2010, hence why Kunitz name was mentionned sicne a while, and the TC management said they're looking at ways to avoid what happened in 2010 early on, based on the fact its short tournaments.

As far as Letang on PP 1st unit, only case you can make for him would be due to familiarity with Sid. But really, PP is a bit different than playing with a winger on every shifts. It'd be odd to see Kunitz and Letang on the 1st PP unit, no question.

It wouldnt as odd to see Kunitz on the 1st line with Sid if this means a better 1st line during the tourmament.

Heck, what if they invite Kunitz over and sit him for the first game or so and try Sid with other combinations (say Stamkos) and see if these work, then fall back on Kunitz if is itsnt? Kunitz selected as an extra from the get-go would make perfect sense in that case.

Seeing how they had troubles to get that 1st fine gonig in 2010, there has to be some reason why Yzeman as well as other coaches spoke about chemistry like they did, even giving Sid as an example. Chemistry for players all accross the board? No.

Just they made it pretty clear their intentions were to find ways to avoid the early part of 2010. I doubt they want to have a slow start in Russia like they had in Canada.

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10-31-2013, 02:18 PM
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Hockey Canada are a bunch of clowns they almost blew it in 2010 when they put together a team supposedly designed to check Russians but almost lost to USA due to lack of offence.

They snubbed Brad Richards and Vincent Lecavalier, instead put on guys like Mike Richards/Morrow/Begeron/Toews (at the time, not as good as they are now).

It's all been forgotten since they won that gold medal game 2-1 but it was pretty close especially with Luongo mishandling shots all over and dropping big rebounds.

It will be pretty funny if they snub a superstar like Subban and don't win gold, the fallout and crying will be delicious. Get rid of Yzerman.
Toews was amazing, outstanding in 2010. He had a superb tourny. For the first few games, when they couldnt get anything gonig on the 1st line, it was Toews's line that was playing the best, and he himself was amazing.

Bergeron started as 13th forward and quickly worked his way up based on how he was playing. He was more than just the defensive specialist, faceoffs and PK guy he was supposed to be initially.


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Just for a little prespective. Dreger has this opinion, and by the silence of LeBrun and Mackenzie throughout that segment. I suspect he may be alone with it. In fact, both were quick to make jabs at how Hab fans would respond.

I wouldn't put any stock behind this. Dreger has become pathetically Leaf bias since Nonis was hired.

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What is wrong with his personality?

He's to eloquent when speaking and doesn't offer the same monotone and rehearsed answers when interviewed? He spends too much time in the offseason doing charity work and helping families who can't afford to put their kids in hockey?

what is it?
Like you I see and hear everything he says in interviews and agree he's never said anything bad about anybody. But I've yet to hear any of his teamates/coaches/gm's defend him in any way which worries me.

And you'd have to agree his on ice personality is a little over the top, i.e after his hit on Neil last year (playoffs) he feels the need to make an on ice spectacle of himself going all rah rah to his teamates to get them going which was totally unneccesary. Stuff like that rubs hockey people the wrong way (usually more modest and reserved).

All that being said I still love PK and think he takes to much abuse for no reason (and yes I do believe race is a factor for some). I just think he would earn more respect in the hockey world if he'd bury his head acted like he's done it before after a big play (Bobby Orr style).

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Just for a little prespective. Dreger has this opinion, and by the silence of LeBrun and Mackenzie throughout that segment. I suspect he may be alone with it. In fact, both were quick to make jabs at how Hab fans would respond.

I wouldn't put any stock behind this. Dreger has become pathetically Leaf bias since Nonis was hired.
Exactly. Nobody in the business take Dreger seriously, he's throwing crap against the wall, seeing what sticks... hoping to keep his job. He should return to Sportsnet with all the other gossip queens with zero accountability.

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Like you I see and hear everything he says in interviews and agree he's never said anything bad about anybody. But I've yet to hear any of his teamates/coaches/gm's defend him in any way which worries me.

And you'd have to agree his on ice personality is a little over the top, i.e after his hit on Neil last year (playoffs) he feels the need to make an on ice spectacle of himself going all rah rah to his teamates to get them going which was totally unneccesary. Stuff like that rubs hockey people the wrong way (usually more modest and reserved).

All that being said I still love PK and think he takes to much abuse for no reason (and yes I do believe race is a factor for some). I just think he would earn more respect in the hockey world if he'd bury his head acted like he's done it before after a big play (Bobby Orr style).
I used to sort of understand this sentiment, but in the last year and this season, PK's personality is exactly where it should be. It's just a fun narrative that he's over the top. If it were anybody else celebrating a goal (which BTW, he doesn't all the time), nobody would say anything. He has totally gotten in the right frame of mind and his head is in the zone. He's showing serious signs of a veteran NHLer and you need not look elsewhere than the way Markov interacts with him. If Mr. No Nonsense (who earlier may have thought PK was a little too much) approves, I don't think you need to question his coaches, GMs, etc. They're all QUITE happy with PK, I can venture that!

Maybe PK should jump in the air after a goal (literally a forward dive) due to zero contact with another player for one of those historic goals. You know, cuz it would go down exactly like bobby orr.

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Agreed...I hate as a minority 'playing the race card' but really, how can anyone plausibly deny this?

I know some of you will just think i'm pulling out the race card and really, I don't care...I find the way Subban is viewed completely offensive as a minority and i'm sick of reading/hearing people cower away from the real reasons as to why he's CONSTANTLY criticized.

I give massive amounts of respect to Subban because he never, ever, responds to this...he could easily say something and I wouldn't blame him in the least, but he always takes the high road.

Years from now, when the dinosaurs in hockey will have moved on and the rest of the NHL will have caught up with the rest of society progressiveness...he'll be looked upon as a pioneer.

Sorry for the rant...but i'm pissed this morning

I'm not a minority, but I fully agree with you. I don't think people consciously believe they're views are affected by race, but subconsciously they most definitely are. There's definitely racial undertones to how PK Subban is perceived. No doubt about it imo.

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So this is only Dregers`s opinion? Why all this fuss? Damn, our Subban fanatics are so sensitive, lol

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I'm convinced he won't be on the team, which is too bad.

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So this is only Dregers`s opinion? Why all this fuss? Damn, our Subban fanatics are so sensitive, lol
It's being reported by Dreger that this is what team Canada currently thinks.

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So this is only Dregers`s opinion? Why all this fuss? Damn, our Subban fanatics are so sensitive, lol
Pierre LeBrun just confirmed on TSN 690 that he's been told the same thing..

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Chemistry was a topic because of how they had troubles finding wingers for Sid in 2010, hence why Kunitz name was mentionned sicne a while, and the TC management said they're looking at ways to avoid what happened in 2010 early on, based on the fact its short tournaments.

As far as Letang on PP 1st unit, only case you can make for him would be due to familiarity with Sid. But really, PP is a bit different than playing with a winger on every shifts. It'd be odd to see Kunitz and Letang on the 1st PP unit, no question.

It wouldnt as odd to see Kunitz on the 1st line with Sid if this means a better 1st line during the tourmament.

Heck, what if they invite Kunitz over and sit him for the first game or so and try Sid with other combinations (say Stamkos) and see if these work, then fall back on Kunitz if is itsnt? Kunitz selected as an extra from the get-go would make perfect sense in that case.

Seeing how they had troubles to get that 1st fine gonig in 2010, there has to be some reason why Yzeman as well as other coaches spoke about chemistry like they did, even giving Sid as an example. Chemistry for players all accross the board? No.

Just they made it pretty clear their intentions were to find ways to avoid the early part of 2010. I doubt they want to have a slow start in Russia like they had in Canada.
So not chemistry for all the players, just Sid..sure, that makes sense...not.

Crosby ended up playing just fine with Iginla and Staal, why not reunite them if chemistry is of the issue??
Let's stop pretending like Kunitz is the awesome winger that Crosby absolutely needs. You're making it seem like the best player in the world has a hard time playing with other stars. He'll be just fine. If it's a PF presence you want on his line that will crash the net and battle the corners, then I'd pick Lucic instead of Kunitz.

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I'm convinced he won't be on the team, which is too bad.
I'm convinced he will. How could they possibly argue not picking the Norris winner, who also happens to be leading the NHL in pts again (tied)??..
They made a mistake skipping on young players before for thinking they're not ready and too much of a risk, I doubt they'll do the same with PK.

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Pierre LeBrun just confirmed on TSN 690 that he's been told the same thing..
This is just so ****ing stupid. Why is Letang safer? Why is Boyle ahead of Subban when Subban is just better? How Subban isn't a lock as a Top 4 for that team is just mind boggling. If any other d-man won the Norris, he'd be a lock on this team, yet not PK Subban.

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Like you I see and hear everything he says in interviews and agree he's never said anything bad about anybody. But I've yet to hear any of his teamates/coaches/gm's defend him in any way which worries me.

And you'd have to agree his on ice personality is a little over the top, i.e after his hit on Neil last year (playoffs) he feels the need to make an on ice spectacle of himself going all rah rah to his teamates to get them going which was totally unneccesary. Stuff like that rubs hockey people the wrong way (usually more modest and reserved).

All that being said I still love PK and think he takes to much abuse for no reason (and yes I do believe race is a factor for some). I just think he would earn more respect in the hockey world if he'd bury his head acted like he's done it before after a big play (Bobby Orr style).
So he has a bad attitude problem because he's demonstratively passionate?

I've seen Milan Lucic do the same thing after a big fight or hit, and people LOVE that and point to how passionate he is

Again, Subban's only problem is that he's a great player, with a different personality in a sport that prefers it's players to be uniform in their blandness

Again, you can accuse me of playing the race card, that's fine...but I do think that for a lot of people, they have trouble accepting a black superstar in the NHL (please don't bring up Iggy or Fuhr)...which btw, does NOT make one racist for thinking this way...

It's the same way the NBA had trouble with Steve Nash being the MVP a few years ago...

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