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10-31-2013, 06:37 PM
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Well I was hoping for some objectivity, but it is nowhere to be found.
What's the objective case for Stewart being more valuable than Couturier, taking age, contract, career trajectory, etc. into account?

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10-31-2013, 06:38 PM
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Well I was hoping for some objectivity, but it is nowhere to be found.
what are you expecting? Stewart's a good player but do you really think he's worth one of another team's best young players? he's too streaky. and Philly already has enough of what he brings.

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10-31-2013, 06:40 PM
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What's the objective case for Stewart being more valuable than Couturier, taking age, contract, career trajectory, etc. into account?
He's actually proven he's an impact player and Couturier hasn't shown many signs of significant offensive production.

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10-31-2013, 06:43 PM
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He's actually proven he's an impact player and Couturier hasn't shown many signs of significant offensive production.
What sort of NHL production did Stewart show at Couturier's current age?

EDIT: Also, you can impact a game in more than one way. Couturier is a vastly superior defensive player. It isn't even close. Stewart is a vastly superior offensive player, though Couturier has the tools to close that gap over time. Given that, and given positional value, age, and contract, I'm still not seeing the compelling case for Stewart being more valuable.

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10-31-2013, 06:44 PM
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He's actually proven he's an impact player and Couturier hasn't shown many signs of significant offensive production.
that's not his job. philly is one of the deepest teams in the league at center. if Couturier was given more PP time and top six minutes, he'd produce more. simple as that.

and i hardly think stewart is the go to for talking offensive production when he has 2 assists in 10 games, while getting top six minutes and more pp time than couturier. stewart has shown he can go long stretches being completely invisible.

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10-31-2013, 06:46 PM
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that's not his job. philly is one of the deepest teams in the league at center. if Couturier was given more PP time and top six minutes, he'd produce more. simple as that.

and i hardly think stewart is the go to for talking offensive production when he has 2 assists in 10 games, while getting top six minutes and more pp time than couturier. stewart has shown he can go long stretches being completely invisible.
He isn't getting top 6 minutes currently, but sure lets judge Stewart based on 10 games instead of his career.

Just because Couturier could get more minutes, doesn't mean he would produce. You typically need to produce to earn those top 6 minutes.

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10-31-2013, 06:48 PM
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Well considering we plan on winning, potential means nothing to us and Armstrong.

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10-31-2013, 06:49 PM
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No interest at all in Yak. Flyers should keep their interest levels for him in the negatives.

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10-31-2013, 06:51 PM
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No interest at all in Yak. Flyers should keep their interest levels for him in the negatives.
Yea, who'd be interested in a former 1st overall pick who led not only rookies, but his team in goals and tied for points? Definite negative value.

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10-31-2013, 06:54 PM
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Yea, who'd be interested in a former 1st overall pick who led not only rookies, but his team in goals and tied for points? Definite negative value.
The poster didn't say Yak had negative value.

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10-31-2013, 07:13 PM
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Yea, who'd be interested in a former 1st overall pick who led not only rookies, but his team in goals and tied for points? Definite negative value.
Is this the same one who was a healthy scratch twice while his team was struggling?

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10-31-2013, 07:14 PM
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Yea, who'd be interested in a former 1st overall pick who led not only rookies, but his team in goals and tied for points? Definite negative value.
Yakupov is a tremendous offensive talent with major question marks about his defensive play. That, coupled with the Flyers long and mostly antagonistic history toward Russian forwards suggest that he's probably not a good fit.

I don't think Flyers fans are actually arguing that they wouldn't want Yakupov--they are saying that they wouldn't want him at the likely price--particularly if that price is near what some EDM fans seem to think it should be (both Schenns, Voracek, Coburn + Coututier, Coburn + Simmonds, or Simmonds + Couturier seem to be the 5 most popular suggestions).

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10-31-2013, 07:18 PM
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Yea, who'd be interested in a former 1st overall pick who led not only rookies, but his team in goals and tied for points? Definite negative value.
Either someone skimmed or can't read.

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The poster didn't say Yak had negative value.
This person can read. Plus, the Flyers' history with Russians isn't too great either.

Edit: ^ says what I think in more detail.

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10-31-2013, 07:19 PM
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what are you expecting? Stewart's a good player but do you really think he's worth one of another team's best young players? he's too streaky. and Philly already has enough of what he brings.
stewart is one of the best power forward he is better that lucic

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10-31-2013, 07:20 PM
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stewart is one of the best power forward he is better that lucic
haha sure he is

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10-31-2013, 07:22 PM
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Yea, who'd be interested in a former 1st overall pick who led not only rookies, but his team in goals and tied for points? Definite negative value.
the same 1st overall pick who came out earlier this year and said he didn't care about playing a system and just wanted to go out and do his own thing? the same one who said he's not going to change? that said he didn't like skating, forechecking or hitting? lol. yeah, that'll go over real well in Philly.

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10-31-2013, 07:23 PM
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What's the objective case for Stewart being more valuable than Couturier, taking age, contract, career trajectory, etc. into account?
Couturier's career trajectory thus far is a 3rd line center. He's looking more Hanzel then Staal but not as good defensively as Hanzel yet.

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10-31-2013, 07:24 PM
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stewart is one of the best power forward he is better that lucic
um, no.

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10-31-2013, 07:28 PM
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Is this the same one who was a healthy scratch twice while his team was struggling?
Yeah, that Steven Stamkos is sure an awful player, amirite?

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10-31-2013, 07:29 PM
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stewart is one of the best power forward he is better that lucic
I disagree with this, I would say Stewart has a more natural goal scoring touch and offensive flair, but he runs hot and cold, and I've watched him play multiple times where he has little to no impact on the game. Stewart can straight up snipe goals, where Lucic's goal are often the products of traffic and capitilizing off rebounds. Lucic plays a game that closer resembles your prototypical power forward.

Lucic also tends to play better when the stakes are higher and is a little more robust and is harder to handle in the corners and around the net.

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10-31-2013, 07:38 PM
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Do you think Yak fits in well with the Flyers?
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I personally think he would be an excellent trigger man for Giroux to go cross ice to on the PP. At even strength his flaws are exposed, but he was lethal on the PP last year, and played primarily on the second unit (finished tied for 19th in PP goals). His wheelhouse is unleashing one-timers from the right circle, which is a perfect compliment to a talented right hand shooting playmaker who plays the high boards on the left side. We have a decent one in Hemsky, you guys have one of the best in Giroux. Sad thing is, our coach doesn't know how to watch video from last year and instead tries to play Yakupov with The Nuge when both are most effective from the same area.

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I disagree with this, I would say Stewart has a more natural goal scoring touch and offensive flair, but he runs hot and cold, and I've watched him play multiple times where he has little to no impact on the game. Stewart can straight up snipe goals, where Lucic's goal are often the products of traffic and capitilizing off rebounds. Lucic plays a game that closer resembles your prototypical power forward.

Lucic also tends to play better when the stakes are higher and is a little more robust and is harder to handle in the corners and around the net.
stewart is really underrated here

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10-31-2013, 07:40 PM
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What are the Blues' needs?

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What are the Blues' needs?
Number 1 center better then Backes.

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Downie can replace Simmonds muscle...so I'm wondering if my "Yakupov for Simmonds +" might be a possibility. Then again, its Eklund, so this probably means that nothing is going to happen at all.
People forget though that the only team Eklund is truly connected to is the Flyers. If he's hearing it from their brass, there is likely some talks going on at the very least.

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