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10-31-2013, 08:15 PM
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Hes embarrassed because its not his job to pick players for team Canada. Says PK bring energy and great offensive contribution.

Dumbass Media who read this forum ask him why hes not playing on the PK, he respond his ice time is actually up this year so there's progression (ie id rather play him more 5on5 and on PP)

And about his body language.....

Could you imagine if Subban said that at some point

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10-31-2013, 08:37 PM
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The look on his face when the reporter brings up Dreger's comments... Breaks my heart.

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Welcome to Montreal where we eat our own for breakfast. Don't worry though, Price will go into a slump soon and we'll start to beat the crap out of him instead...

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10-31-2013, 08:47 PM
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Norris trophy, game changer, end of discussion

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Somehow, they are preparing Habs fans to not expect PK in this adventure and as far as I'm concerned, they succeeded. PK won't be there. Whether it's because he's a defensive liability (BS) or because the righty/lefty ratio, he won't make it. So Team Canada piss on people ears so that we'd accept that the Norris trophy winner won't make it.

Doesn't help that Therrien acts the way he does with him, not using him on the PK, not using him in the last minutes of game.....but it is what it is. I still wish Canada wins it all.......but will gladly bash them hard if one of those defensive ROCKS happen to suck of if they have some problems with their PP's.
I feel exactly the same way. I'll be cheering for Team Canada all the way. But if we lose and Subban's not on the roster, I'm going to bash the **** out of this move.

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10-31-2013, 08:53 PM
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I've learned that USUALLY, people have no clue what they're talking about. They hear an "influential" opinion and parrot it like it's gospel. They're often full of ****. PK has a great attitude and always has. He's my favourite player, mainly because of his enthusiasm and attitude - his phenomenal play is just the cherry on top.
He seems like he has a great attitude in the TV interviews. Says all the right things...
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Have you not seen how selections have been made in the past? Steve Yzerman was left off of team Canada after scoring 155 points, because he was no Dirk Graham defensively. Guys like Shayne Corson made it over him. Hockey Canada is an old boys club. There was no rationale then, just like there was no rationale to keep Sidney Crosby, Staal, Spezza and money others off the squad.

They'll use a line like, we are strong with RHD and needed to solidify the LHD bla bla bla. I don't see him making it unless he goes on a tear.
One thing to take into consideration though. Last time around Yzerman learned the mistakes of Gretzky from 2006. That team brought experienced playes for the sake of it and lost. In 2010 they went with new blood. Let's hope that Yzerman hasn't forgotten 2006.

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10-31-2013, 09:04 PM
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I'm going to play a little "devil's advocate" here:

1 - keep in mind that Team Canada also left Stamkos off the roster in 2010 to bring in some more experienced guys and won gold.

2 - In that same vein...5 defenseman on that 2010 team are still in the NHL and playing at a high level. Weber, Doughty and Keith are all locks, whereas Seabrook and Boyle are less certain. Assuming Pietrangelo is also a lock, and that Team Canada management keeps Seabrook under the guise of their "instant chemistry" thought process, there really isn't alot of empty space on that roster. That is also without discussing the whole LD/RD conundrum.

3 - While Boyle is getting older, he has played at a high level for a good team for a while now, and could assume a veteran role akin to Nieds and Pronger on that 2010 team. I wouldn't be surprised if Team Canada went with the vets from 2010 over more unproven upside guys like Subban, Duchene, Hall, etc. PK has proven that he has the talent to be among the game's elite, but its still fairly hard to get a read on his play from game to game and i have no doubt team canada would be very nervous about that.

4 - TC might also be concerned that PK will have trouble adjusting to a "lesser role" where he is asked to play a simlified, low minutes/low-risk game on the third pairing. This sort of sentiment get's echoed all the time about finding guys who are capable of accepting lesser roles they are used to on their own teams. Given the press PK has generated over the past few years about being a "larger than life" personality, its possible TC might view him as the type of player that would rebel against being put in a spot like that. The obvious rebuttal here, however, is to point to PK's progression with the WJC team, where he started as a 7th Dman and worked his way up to tournament all-star, Canada winning gold in all three years he was on the team.

5 - Team Canada, and most coaches/gms in hockey today are overly conservative, afraid of change/risk, and are generally interested in playing a style of hockey that minimizes risk. PK doesn't always play that style, and i think its pretty obvious in how Therrien has been using him that, despite the obviousness of his talent and tenacity, PK might not necessarily be a "coach's player".

With all of the above said...i think it's all BS and that Team Canada without PK Subban in its arsenal of weapons would be a worse team than with him. Being allowed to bring 8 dmen is EXACTLY why you would take a chance on someone like PK. Team Canada has a solid enough foundation in its D corps that it can and should be taking a chance on a talent like Subban. Bringing both Letang and Boyle would be a waste of a roster spot as both bring redundant qualities and are quite frankly, less effective than Subban at bringing offense from the D position.

Weber-Doughty
Keith-Seabrook
Pietrangelo-Boyle
Subban-Vlasic

Good blend of vets and youth. Good blend of offense and defense. Good mix of instant chemistry and all-world talent. I would also venture a guess that, if Subban makes the team as a 7th or 8th dman...he would play his way into the top 4 by the end of the tournament. Subban has been a big game player at both the World Juniors and the World Championships, as well as for the Habs in the playoffs. I have no doubt he would play his heart out for team canada in sochi either.
1- They won the Gold but they almost got screwed too.

2- If we believe the words of Yzerman, nobody was/is a lock. It all depends on the season.

3- Boyle was never as good as Nieds or Pronger, and he's declined some more. The point of keeping some older guys around is because they have experience. But a guy like Keith won 2 cups and a gold medal, that's a ton of experience. Weber was there as well, Doughty has a cup and Gold. They don't need to bring in an older guy. We have some younger guys that have the veteran experience.
Let's not forget PK has international experience, and also won the Gold where he was a very solid contributor.

4- That's BS. He had a lesser role last year and he won the Norris. PK has always been very humble and has never showed any signs of being some sort of problem player that can't adapt to whatever role he's given. Quite the opposite. How in God's name would PK come in with his head high thinking he owns this?? Makes no sense at all. He's not that type of player. Also, as you said, he's had no issues taking lesser roles and growing from them in his international junior days.

5- PK is not a risky player. Everybody makes mistakes. That's all it is.
There's one thing PK can do better than any of the other Dman too, he is the only one that can take control of a game by himself. If he's in the zone, and he wants to carry the puck, you will not take it away from him. He's that good. It's not something you often see from Dman. Yes, there are good offensive or two way Dmen, but you rarely see a Dman take full control of a game like PK has shown capable off.
His skating is also the best on the team. The kid brings so many good things that going back to say ''he's risky'' is just a very bad assessment of the player.


As you said, it's all BS. He deserves to be there, and I think he will be.

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10-31-2013, 09:06 PM
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Seems to me that team Canada management are sending a message to PK to avoid errors that end up in 2-1 or 3-1 overturns.

So PK has three months to improve that part of his game.
In three months, many things can change.

I know they did not took Green the last time but PK is better than Green!
Except the team is picked before Christmas so 2 months to turn white and get drafted in the top 5. Shouldn't be too tough, Subban has met every other challenge head on and excelled.

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10-31-2013, 10:29 PM
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We didn't have some very special young talent last time around. They actually skipped on Stamkos and picked freaking Morrow. Their selection was bad.
This year with guys like Duchene, Stamkos, Tavares, Couture, they don't need to be dumb again.

PK also had a great WJC.
This time around, Tavares and Stamkos not being on the team would be absolute shockers. Duchene's younger, kinda like Stamkos in 2010. I'd like for him to be on the team, especially since its not in America. Those 3 not being on the team would make little sense.

The team wasnt too young in 2010, but thats a luxury Canada has. They have plenty of players who would make it for other countries who wont make the team for Canada. They can afford, if they want, to go with some bigger guys, or older guys, faster guys, based on what type of team they want.

They said this summer they wanted to add some speed compare to 2010 based on the bigger ice. We'll see how much of a difference this makes in the make up of the team.


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10-31-2013, 10:44 PM
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I wish that Canada was allowed to send a B-team to the olympics.

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I can't believe you guys are falling for this crapola.

TSN is in the ratings game and one way to get ratings is to stir up controversy. And what better way to stir up crap than to dis a favorite player from this neck of the woods.

Dreger and TSN are trolling you and you guys are falling for it. Look at who they're claiming are ahead of PK. Boyle & Letang. Man you guys are being played.

No way the Team Canada brain trust has a 37 year old at the end of his career and a d-man who has been less than stellar or healthy the last two years.

This is just a tempest in a teacup dreamt up by the TSN staff.
This....

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I can't believe you guys are falling for this crapola.

TSN is in the ratings game and one way to get ratings is to stir up controversy. And what better way to stir up crap than to dis a favorite player from this neck of the woods.

Dreger and TSN are trolling you and you guys are falling for it. Look at who they're claiming are ahead of PK. Boyle & Letang. Man you guys are being played.

No way the Team Canada brain trust has a 37 year old at the end of his career and a d-man who has been less than stellar or healthy the last two years.

This is just a tempest in a teacup dreamt up by the TSN staff.
You never know with Hockey Canada. Look at 2006, they tried to bring back as many guys as possible from 2002. I wouldn't be surprised if Dan Boyle makes the team over PK. Canada loves veterans.

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Talking about vets, they didnt invite Iginla to the camp... which I think is SCANDALOUS!

Pk better be on the team.

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Just wanted to do a fly by and say if PK isn't on the Olympic team it's a total joke.

Under no circumstances should PK be left off the Olympic team. If he is, it's a disgrace.

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Even if he's only there as a PP specialist can't see how you leave the highest scoring d-man over the last 2 years off

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I used to sort of understand this sentiment, but in the last year and this season, PK's personality is exactly where it should be. It's just a fun narrative that he's over the top. If it were anybody else celebrating a goal (which BTW, he doesn't all the time), nobody would say anything. He has totally gotten in the right frame of mind and his head is in the zone. He's showing serious signs of a veteran NHLer and you need not look elsewhere than the way Markov interacts with him. If Mr. No Nonsense (who earlier may have thought PK was a little too much) approves, I don't think you need to question his coaches, GMs, etc. They're all QUITE happy with PK, I can venture that!

Maybe PK should jump in the air after a goal (literally a forward dive) due to zero contact with another player for one of those historic goals. You know, cuz it would go down exactly like bobby orr.
If that goal is for the Stanley Cup then I'm all for doing whatever he likes

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I think it is very simple, PK being snubbed would be a mistake. He has incredible speed and offensive instincts that match very well with the larger ice surface.

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I think it is very simple, PK being snubbed would be a mistake. He has incredible speed and offensive instincts that match very well with the larger ice surface.
Not only that, but he'd probably be the best open ice hitter on the team too.

The biggest issue is discipline. You don't want to take a lot of penalties against the best players in the world on bigger ice. The extra space to defend would be killer. PK tends to take many stupid penalties.

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Not only that, but he'd probably be the best open ice hitter on the team too.

The biggest issue is discipline. You don't want to take a lot of penalties against the best players in the world on bigger ice. The extra space to defend would be killer. PK tends to take many stupid penalties.
Exactly why I assume they haven't put him on the team right away.

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Just wanted to do a fly by and say if PK isn't on the Olympic team it's a total joke.

Under no circumstances should PK be left off the Olympic team. If he is, it's a disgrace.
Pretty much my opinion as well. Thanks for the input!

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The only reason PK Subban would be kept off Team Canada is racism. 100%. Keeping the reigning Norris winner who's arguably playing even better this year? lol

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The only reason PK Subban would be kept off Team Canada is racism. 100%. Keeping the reigning Norris winner who's arguably playing even better this year? lol
According to Dreger?

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For what it's worth, on Melnyk in the Afternoon yesterday, McGuire spoke for 10 minutes about how it would be an embarrassment and complete mistake of PK were left off the team. He spoke at length about how at the Olympics, the RH and LH debate is complete non sense. In all he was pretty emotional, and said he'd really air it out if PK does not make the roster. He also went on to say there are some people on the executive team that he is not the friendliest with, and others that he is friendly with.

But it is pretty well known that he is good buddies with Mike Babcock, head coach, and Claude Julien, assistant coach. Not sure what his relationship with Yzerman is.

McGuire gets a lot of flack around here, but he is really well connected in the hockey world, and usually his opinion on matters hold some weight. If this is any indication, than I'm fairly certain that PK will make the team.

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The only reason PK Subban would be kept off Team Canada is racism. 100%. Keeping the reigning Norris winner who's arguably playing even better this year? lol
I don't know who Ted Bird is but here's his views on that very subject from today.

The elephant in the room: racism and PK

http://tedbirddroppings.blogspot.ca/...sm-and-pk.html

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If we keep this "playing at the place you shoot" mentality you have Weber, Doughty, cause he played so well the last time and then you may keep the Keith-Seabrook duo intact so PK would not make it. Unless Yzerman chances his mind and put him on the left.

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If I were PK, if these bozos manage to leave him off, in a manner facilitated by Therrien's handling, I would quietly make a point of not signing a long extension with the Canadiens, bolt for an American team as a UFA, and try to get a Green Card and US citizenship asap to play on the US national team, in the manner that Brett Hull did a few years back. As a US-based professor, I can attest that there are ways of accelerating the process if you are elite in some way and the US wants you.

There is a price to pay for double standards. In general the company or team that is the most meritocratic outcompetes rivals that cultivate double standards.

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