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10-30-2013, 11:50 AM
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-Jokerit can negotiate their own tv-contract
-Team will use air charters for travelling
-KHL probably will have divisions next year, so travel would be easier
-Team will get build around Finnish players, few foreigners too
-Budget is set to be around mid level in KHL
-Arena gets new lighting etc.
Curious about that since vorky has stated several times KHL negotiates all tv contracts and keeps the money as well.

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10-30-2013, 12:28 PM
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Kurri, Selänne, Lehtonen and that's it.
Those are the elite, Filppula is the "good".

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Curious about that since vorky has stated several times KHL negotiates all tv contracts and keeps the money as well.
Why would have Harkimo said it, if not true.

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Weren't that you, Jussi, the one saying that KHL will destroy Jokerit's youngsters chances of breaking through just couple of months agos? Teravainens and whatnots?

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Those are the elite, Filppula is the "good".

Why would have Harkimo said it, if not true.
Yes, Flip is THE good. And that's it.

Because Harkimo doesn't know everything. Or rather you need to ask vorky if they changed it.

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10-30-2013, 01:32 PM
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Weren't that you, Jussi, the one saying that KHL will destroy Jokerit's youngsters chances of breaking through just couple of months agos? Teravainens and whatnots?
I didn't say destroy but that it would not be possible to go from A-juniors or Mestis straight to KHL. Heck our current juniors have trouble jumping from Mestis to 1üga. And I was referring to future juniors. TT's been around for a while and he's irrelevant to discussion since he won't be playing in the KHL.

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10-30-2013, 01:55 PM
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And that's it.
TT is probably next. Jokerit is still the best Finnish club that have produced NHL talent. TPS comes second. Nobody knows what happens in the future. Except Jussi.

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TT is probably next. Jokerit is still the best Finnish club that have produced NHL talent. TPS comes second. Nobody knows what happens in the future. Except Jussi.
It helps if you pay attention to what's going on in the juniors. The most potentially promsing player in the Jokerit juniors is defenseman Olli Juolevi (-98), there's no Puljujärvi or another TT level guy coming in the near future.

"TT is probably next". Now who's predicting the future?

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Curious about that since vorky has stated several times KHL negotiates all tv contracts and keeps the money as well.
not local (national) broadcasts though, right?

donbass just got a new national deal and the team (kolesnikov) owns the XSport channel, hard to imagine the khl negotiating and keeping that money lol

http://hcdonbass.com/news/klub/ictv_...r_khk_donbass/

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not local (national) broadcasts though, right?

donbass just got a new national deal and the team (kolesnikov) owns the XSport channel, hard to imagine the khl negotiating and keeping that money lol

http://hcdonbass.com/news/klub/ictv_...r_khk_donbass/
I don't know, he never clarified.

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it looks like the DEG was really in trouble.



the reports says: there is a rumor, that the players didnt received money for the last 2 months and that the club was on the verge of insolvency.

http://www.rp-online.de/region-duess...geld-1.3775965
The DEG was in financial trouble but according to the players, they always received their money in time.
With the new shareholder structure they are now more financially secure - especially thanks to Peter Hoberg (founder of Hoberg & Driesch) who took over the shares of some non-paying "sponsors" and then sold some of the shares to Mikhail Ponomarev and kept most of them for himself. Ponomarev and Energy Consulting are also sponoring Fortuna Düsseldorf. Responsible for the deal is Christina Begale who works for Energy Consulting. She used to be the assistant of the former mayor.

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http://www.express.de/deg/neuer-inve...,24795616.html

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donbass just got a new national deal and the team (kolesnikov) owns the XSport channel, hard to imagine the khl negotiating and keeping that money lol

http://hcdonbass.com/news/klub/ictv_...r_khk_donbass/
do not see ice hockey listened in their schedule.
http://ictv.ua/ua/index/programs

when will the deal come true?

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Google translate being what is it, but he said something about atmosphere in the arena not being satisfactory? Well I guess he's not that "Finnish" after all if he expects a European football like atmosphere. I sincerely hope he doesn't plan on "artificial" stuff like encouragements to cheer via jumbotron/led panels ("cheer to fill the meter") because that sort of thing is extremely frowned upon by Jokerit fans or Finns in general. I mean they're already complaining about the kiss cam that's in use currently.

He did an interview in Finnish for Jokerit Youtube channel as well:


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Google translate being what is it, but he said something about atmosphere in the arena not being satisfactory? Well I guess he's not that "Finnish" after all if he expects a European football like atmosphere. I sincerely hope he doesn't plan on "artificial" stuff like encouragements to cheer via jumbotron/led panels ("cheer to fill the meter") because that sort of thing is extremely frowned upon by Jokerit fans or Finns in general. I mean they're already complaining about the kiss cam that's in use currently.

He did an interview in Finnish for Jokerit Youtube channel as well:
He said that the atmosphere in Hartwall arena is subpar when compared to the Ice Palace in St. Petersburg, granted the both arenas are based on the same project and are very similar. And he's not a fan of football like atmosphere, if anything they're trying to copy the best North American examples. They will install a LED ring, improve the lighting and sound systems, and my guess is they will emphasize on a free t-shirts and different "noise-making" merchandise, mascots, cheerleaders, pre-game shows and stuff like that. Like he said, the main goal is to make visiting hockey a popular destination. The less- dependent they are on the people like you mentioned (the ones who complain about kiss-cams) - the better it is.

Also he especially mentioned that he never said that he feels himself as a Finn.

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He said that the atmosphere in Hartwall arena is subpar when compared to the Ice Palace in St. Petersburg, granted the both arenas are based on the same project and are very similar. And he's not a fan of football like atmosphere, if anything they're trying to copy the best North American examples. They will install a LED ring, improve the lighting and sound systems, and my guess is they will emphasize on a free t-shirts and different "noise-making" merchandise, mascots, cheerleaders, pre-game shows and stuff like that. Like he said, the main goal is to make visiting hockey a popular destination. The less- dependent they are on the people like you mentioned (the ones who complain about kiss-cams) - the better it is.

Also he especially mentioned that he never said that he feels himself as a Finn.
You forgot 'Let's go Jokerit'.

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You forgot 'Let's go Jokerit'.
Whatever works for a wide public. I'm not nitpicky. And I guess no one will argue that from a business point of view north american sports culture is a success?

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He said that the atmosphere in Hartwall arena is subpar when compared to the Ice Palace in St. Petersburg, granted the both arenas are based on the same project and are very similar. And he's not a fan of football like atmosphere, if anything they're trying to copy the best North American examples. They will install a LED ring, improve the lighting and sound systems, and my guess is they will emphasize on a free t-shirts and different "noise-making" merchandise, mascots, cheerleaders, pre-game shows and stuff like that. Like he said, the main goal is to make visiting hockey a popular destination. The less- dependent they are on the people like you mentioned (the ones who complain about kiss-cams) - the better it is.

Also he especially mentioned that he never said that he feels himself as a Finn.
Those we know already from the interviews he gave in Finnish. The big problem with Hartwall Areena is that it's "built wrong" when it comes to acoustics. It basically requires at least 10K people to get a good atmosphere (if Eteläpääty is taking a day off).
Edit: Jokerit also already have cheerleaders.

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You forgot 'Let's go Jokerit'.
Funny, some Finns actually managed to post at jatkoaika.com that if he ever sees "Let's go Jokerit", he'll walk out of the arena immediately.


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Whatever works for a wide public. I'm not nitpicky. And I guess no one will argue that from a business point of view north american sports culture is a success?
Yeah but it doesn't work 1:1 in Europe.

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where from rotenberg can speak finnish?

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where from rotenberg can speak finnish?
He lived his teenage years in Finland 1991-99.


VVVVV Mother's father was Ingrian Finn and that's why they moved to Finland after the Soviet collapse.


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He lived his teenage years in Finland 1991-99.
His mother might also be Finnish, at least she lives in Finland.

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https://fi.unibet.com/betting#/event/1001825066

In case it shows in Finnish, that's:

Jokerit - KHL in 2014-15:

Win:
Yes 15.00
No 1.01

Average attendance at least 10K (regular season):
Yes 1.62
No 2.15

If i was registered there, I'd put money on attendance below 10K. It was actually 2.55 initially but as soon as someone brought up the idea that the Russians will buy those 10K in, it went down.

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What are the odds for the Cup win?
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He said that the atmosphere in Hartwall arena is subpar when compared to the Ice Palace in St. Petersburg, granted the both arenas are based on the same project and are very similar. And he's not a fan of football like atmosphere, if anything they're trying to copy the best North American examples. They will install a LED ring, improve the lighting and sound systems, and my guess is they will emphasize on a free t-shirts and different "noise-making" merchandise, mascots, cheerleaders, pre-game shows and stuff like that. Like he said, the main goal is to make visiting hockey a popular destination. The less- dependent they are on the people like you mentioned (the ones who complain about kiss-cams) - the better it is.

Also he especially mentioned that he never said that he feels himself as a Finn.
This guy is smart. If more kHL teams follow his model, I believe they will be more successful. The small things go a long way. Things like proper lighting etc.. building proper atmosphere will keep fans coming almost regardless of results. These things he mentions are relatively cheap as well...

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