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10-31-2013, 02:07 PM
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Roy was brought in to make Stewart more of a threat. That hasn't happened. Stewart I think has been playing better of late, but as is the case with Stewart, if he's not scoring, he's not worth his price-tag. In that regard, so far at least, Roy has been disappointing.

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10-31-2013, 02:13 PM
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Roy was always only going to be a stop gap, he was literally the only thing left. If you guys were expecting him to be a game changer then I feel sorry that you set yourself up for disappoint. I still think he's playing better with us than he did in Dallas and Vancouver last year.

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10-31-2013, 02:40 PM
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Yeah aside from being generally invisible and not having an impact on the outcome of games, Roy has been "great." Holy low standards, Batman.
Right now, Roy's got seven point to Stewart's two. Roy is ranked 6th on this team in points, fourth of the forwards. I wouldn't call Roy great, but I'd call his numbers good. Despite all the love thrown around for Sobotka, Berglund, and Schwartz, Roy has somehow accumulated more goals and more points than any of them, despite averaging 1:30 - 2:30 less TOI than those three.

His contributions thus far have been more than adequate for a being the de facto third line C.

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10-31-2013, 03:36 PM
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Roy was always only going to be a stop gap, he was literally the only thing left. If you guys were expecting him to be a game changer then I feel sorry that you set yourself up for disappoint. I still think he's playing better with us than he did in Dallas and Vancouver last year.
Grabovski was also available.

I don't think he was the answer either, but I do think if there is a move that gets Lecavelier in a Bluenote this season over Roy, without taking away from the one-ice team significantly....you do it.

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10-31-2013, 04:01 PM
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Grabovski was also available.

I don't think he was the answer either, but I do think if there is a move that gets Lecavelier in a Bluenote this season over Roy, without taking away from the one-ice team significantly....you do it.
That wasn't an option, that's the problem. That's really the reason Roy was signed. We tried for Vinny, but he signed elsewhere.

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10-31-2013, 04:24 PM
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That wasn't an option, that's the problem. That's really the reason Roy was signed. We tried for Vinny, but he signed elsewhere.
I'm referring to the rumors about a potential trade with Philadelphia.

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10-31-2013, 04:35 PM
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Grabovski was also available.

I don't think he was the answer either, but I do think if there is a move that gets Lecavelier in a Bluenote this season over Roy, without taking away from the one-ice team significantly....you do it.
Grabovski wasn't really an option. He was getting married and not taking calls, Army couldn't sit on his hands and then hope that the last guy available would choose us. He went out and made offers to 3 centres and we got our third choice (fourth if you consider Lecavalier a week earlier).

If we're getting Lecavalier as a piece in a larger deal then you do it, but I don't imagine that the Flyers would be interested in selling low on him.

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10-31-2013, 05:32 PM
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We've recalled Chris Porter, when everyone is healthy it is going to be interesting to see who goes on waivers.

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10-31-2013, 05:34 PM
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We've recalled Chris Porter, when everyone is healthy it is going to be interesting to see who goes on waivers.
Really? Porter or Cracknell.

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10-31-2013, 05:58 PM
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Really? Porter or Cracknell.
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that it would be wider than that. Despite Porter clearing last time, circumstances change and these things aren't automatic. Teams seeing their bottom 6 struggles X games into a season makes waiver pick ups more likely and if I had to pick 1 I wouldn't want to lose it would be Porter.

With the lack of information on the MPS injury it is guesswork as to when this becomes a factor.

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10-31-2013, 06:08 PM
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Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that it would be wider than that. Despite Porter clearing last time, circumstances change and these things aren't automatic. Teams seeing their bottom 6 struggles X games into a season makes waiver pick ups more likely and if I had to pick 1 I wouldn't want to lose it would be Porter.

With the lack of information on the MPS injury it is guesswork as to when this becomes a factor.
Cracknell won the battle in camp, and nothing about his play has changed that. Hitchcock's quotes on his play in his limited appearances have been effusive. I really doubt Porter is suddenly going to move past him (and he probably doesn't even get any ice time barring another injury).

Maybe he'll get claimed on the way back down....I don't think that makes or breaks the Blues. If he does, good for him and maybe he can get his career back on track.

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11-01-2013, 04:50 AM
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Right now, Roy's got seven point to Stewart's two. Roy is ranked 6th on this team in points, fourth of the forwards. I wouldn't call Roy great, but I'd call his numbers good. Despite all the love thrown around for Sobotka, Berglund, and Schwartz, Roy has somehow accumulated more goals and more points than any of them, despite averaging 1:30 - 2:30 less TOI than those three.

His contributions thus far have been more than adequate for a being the de facto third line C.
ESPECIALLY considering that he shouldn't be judged yet on his chemistry with his linemates (e.g. it should get better within the next 10-15 games) and with that, the jump in assists desired from him, should materialise.

I'd guess that with the added chemistry with his linemates that should come, naturally, after 10-20 more games, by mid-season, he should be on the 0.8 ppg pace we'll need from him during the stretch run and the playoffs (the main reason he was signed).

I'm not considering his signing a mistake if his production just stays where it is. If it increases to where I think it will be, just from more experience with his linemates, I think The Blues will be very happy with him.

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11-01-2013, 05:02 AM
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We've recalled Chris Porter, when everyone is healthy it is going to be interesting to see who goes on waivers.
Or traded.

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11-01-2013, 09:14 AM
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We've recalled Chris Porter, when everyone is healthy it is going to be interesting to see who goes on waivers.
Probably nobody goes on waivers. Unless things changed under the new CBA, Porter can be with the team 10 games/30 days before he would have to clear waivers again to return to AHL Chicago. Unless more injuries occur or Morrow/Paajarvi end up out of the lineup quite a while, Porter could very well be sent back to the AHL in the 10 games/30 days timeframe.

Porter would have to vastly outplay Cracknell for the Blues to keep him since he's already cleared waivers IMO.

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11-01-2013, 10:59 AM
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Or traded.
What good does trading him do, especially since his value is extremely low right now?

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11-01-2013, 12:50 PM
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Funny article about Tarasenko and Reaves doing a "Troy and Abed in the Morning" type of routine.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hocke...aa2599713.html

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11-01-2013, 12:55 PM
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If I was head coach I would never even have Reaves out of the lineup, I think he's that effective.

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If I was head coach I would never even have Reaves out of the lineup, I think he's that effective.
Agreed, the guy can actually play hockey unlike a lot of enforcers throughout the league. His shot has improved quite a bit, and he's a beast along the boards when working the cycle. If Armstrong doesn't re-sign him then I would be extremely disappointed.

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11-08-2013, 02:03 PM
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Interesting comment lost in the Strauss piece today on Steen was that Hitchcock devoted most of training camp to offensive work rather than his usual defensive emphasis. (I think that's because he had almost the whole team back and they already know what he wants with the defense.)

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Yea, Hitchcock said pretty early in the off-season that the Blues needed to create more on the rush. Part of that is knowing that the team has it in them to do it - with Schwartz and Tarasenko taking the next step, for starters. But the Blues are so good at forcing turnovers and are so capable in transition that Hitch was right: if they could get just a little bit better on the rush, they'd be a lot more dangerous.

I don't know if they're numerically having more dangerous chances and/or converting more on the rush, but, anecdotally, I'd say it's proving to be true so far - at least in forcing other teams to defend differently, opening up other options. The Blues seem to get a lot more space and time than they used to when they pull up in the zone, which is usually caused by being dangerous on the rush.

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11-09-2013, 02:34 PM
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Does Roy remind anyone else of McDonald in his last year here? Can't seem to make any passes, soft along the boards, and turnovers all over the place.

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Does Roy remind anyone else of McDonald in his last year here? Can't seem to make any passes, soft along the boards, and turnovers all over the place.
Roy has had some useless games and I want to see him play with more intensity, but he is considerably better than McDonald was last year.

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11-09-2013, 04:19 PM
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Does Roy remind anyone else of McDonald in his last year here? Can't seem to make any passes, soft along the boards, and turnovers all over the place.
I don't think he's been as bad as McTurnover was last year.

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Yeah McDonald truly was awful last year. Roy hasn't been nearly as bad as some people on this forum like to act, he's just a lot more risky rather than safe compared to guys like Backes and Berglund which we are used to. But with an offensive-minded playmaker like Roy, that often times comes with the territory.

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