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12-15-2006, 09:14 AM
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Pat Burns?

Was on the Fan 590 this mourning and he said he is feeling healthy and if asked to coach again would strongly consider the opportunity because he loves coaching.

- In fourteen seasons he has coached 1019 games and has an overall record of 501-350-161-14.

- He has won three Jack Adams Awards with three different teams - Montreal (1989), Toronto (1993) and Boston (1998) - being the only three-time winner.

- Won the Stanley Cup with the Devils.

I think Burns would be the perfect coach to turn the special teams play of this team around.

Fire Murray Hire Burns.

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12-15-2006, 09:28 AM
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Was on the Fan 590 this mourning and he said he is feeling healthy and if asked to coach again would strongly consider the opportunity because he loves coaching.

- In fourteen seasons he has coached 1019 games and has an overall record of 501-350-161-14.

- He has won three Jack Adams Awards with three different teams - Montreal (1989), Toronto (1993) and Boston (1998) - being the only three-time winner.

- Won the Stanley Cup with the Devils.

I think Burns would be the perfect coach to turn the special teams play of this team around.

Fire Murray Hire Burns.

Don't get me excited about this.

If I was Muckler, I would be salivating all over this!

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12-15-2006, 09:39 AM
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Wow. If this were to happen for next season it would be insane. If they though Murray was hard on his team, wait till they see Pat Burns. I love his style of coaching.

Fire Muckler. Murray to GM. Burns to coach.

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12-15-2006, 09:42 AM
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Fire Muckler. Murray to GM. Burns to coach.
Ditto.

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Wow. If this were to happen for next season it would be insane. If they though Murray was hard on his team, wait till they see Pat Burns. I love his style of coaching.

Fire Muckler. Murray to GM. Burns to coach.
I agree.

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Murray to GM!

No murray for GM.

People overrate what he did in Anahime. It's Burkes fingerprints that has that team playing the way it is now.

The Ducks under murray were crap for a most years (expect for the cup final year, which they got there on a hot goalie and good coaching). They drafted well becasue of good advice from the scouts and finishing so low in the standings.

Murray was responsible for the awful Fedorov contract, and burke fixed that in a jiffy by shiping him to colombus.

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12-15-2006, 09:52 AM
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Was on the Fan 590 this mourning and he said he is feeling healthy and if asked to coach again would strongly consider the opportunity because he loves coaching.

- In fourteen seasons he has coached 1019 games and has an overall record of 501-350-161-14.

- He has won three Jack Adams Awards with three different teams - Montreal (1989), Toronto (1993) and Boston (1998) - being the only three-time winner.

- Won the Stanley Cup with the Devils.

I think Burns would be the perfect coach to turn the special teams play of this team around.

Fire Murray Hire Burns.
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Here I was complimenting your optimistic attitude.

You can't fire the coach after every loss.

But, I agree with all who says that Bryan Murray lacks the ability to adjust his tactics during a game. I have rarely seen a Sens team under his regime that had the ability to turn the game around when the going's not that great. How many times have we seen Ottawa come from behind?

Another example was last night, when he took too long a time to pull Emery.

The team is injury riddled and has too many 4th line/AHL players to compete against a team like Nashville. What Murray should do is change his strategy to accomodate the depleted roster.

In anycase, I don't think we would be having the conversation if the lineup was totally healthy. I still see this team as a contender when they are at full strength. Murray will probably never learn to adapt, but I don't see a coaching change doing that much for a depleted roster.

You will praise Murray in April when the team finishes second in the division as a result of the team playing at full-strength. How is that for optimism?

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12-15-2006, 09:56 AM
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Here I was complimenting your optimistic attitude.

You can't fire the coach after every loss.

But, I agree with all who says that Bryan Murray lacks the ability to adjust his tactics during a game. I have rarely seen a Sens team under his regime that had the ability to turn the game around when the going's not that great. How many times have we seen Ottawa come from behind?

Another example was last night, when he took too long a time to pull Emery.

The team is injury riddled and has too many 4th line/AHL players to compete against a team like Nashville. What Murray should do is change his strategy to accomodate the depleted roster.

In anycase, I don't think we would be having the conversation if the lineup was totally healthy. I still see this team as a contender when they are at full strength. Murray will probably never learn to adapt, but I don't see a coaching change doing that much for a depleted roster.

You will praise Murray in April when the team finishes second in the division as a result of the team playing at full-strength. How is that for optimism?
It was more of me liking Burns. hes out there has won a cup and is one of the best coaches ever. One of the best coaches ever would be a good addition in Ottawa. I doubt he would have Kelly on the top line.

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It really frustrating because most people can see the Murray is a crap coach, and apparently one of the best coaches we could ever imagine getting may be available, yet we KNOW getting him is an impossibility. Why? Muckler wont fire Murray, and Melnyk wont fire Muckler. Nothing is changing until Muckler decides to retire, unfortunately.

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It was more of me liking Burns. hes out there has won a cup and is one of the best coaches ever. One of the best coaches ever would be a good addition in Ottawa. I doubt he would have Kelly on the top line.
Thats because Kelly should not be on the top line. I don't know why Murray insists on having him there.

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Only a senile coach would put Kelly on the first line. I agree.

But even Burns would have a difficult time with a team featuring AHLers. I blame Muckler more for the current lack of depth than anybody else.

With one of Alfie, Spezza, or Heatley injured in the playoffs - you can chalk up another post season failure where the team is unable to score goals.

The team needs two more forwards, a veteran top-6 forward and a veteran 4th line grinder. Roberts and Gelinas are very realistic IMHO.

BTW, Corvo has been the worst defenceman in this team, proving all the LA posters that you vehemently fought correct. Even offensively, he gets his points when everyone else is contributing (2nd assists or points in bunches). You still think he was the best off-season acquisition by Muckler?

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Only a senile coach would put Kelly on the first line. I agree.

But even Burns would have a difficult time with a team featuring AHLers. I blame Muckler more for the current lack of depth than anybody else.

With one of Alfie, Spezza, or Heatley injured in the playoffs - you can chalk up another post season failure where the team is unable to score goals.

The team needs two more forwards, a veteran top-6 forward and a veteran 4th line grinder. Roberts and Gelinas are very realistic IMHO.

BTW, Corvo has been the worst defenceman in this team, proving all the LA posters that you vehemently fought correct. Even offensively, he gets his points when everyone else is contributing (2nd assists or points in bunches). You still think he was the best off-season acquisition by Muckler?
I do think Corvo is an awesome pick up. Hes playing out of his role without Redden in the lineup.

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Only a senile coach would put Kelly on the first line. I agree.

But even Burns would have a difficult time with a team featuring AHLers. I blame Muckler more for the current lack of depth than anybody else.

With one of Alfie, Spezza, or Heatley injured in the playoffs - you can chalk up another post season failure where the team is unable to score goals.

The team needs two more forwards, a veteran top-6 forward and a veteran 4th line grinder. Roberts and Gelinas are very realistic IMHO.

BTW, Corvo has been the worst defenceman in this team, proving all the LA posters that you vehemently fought correct. Even offensively, he gets his points when everyone else is contributing (2nd assists or points in bunches). You still think he was the best off-season acquisition by Muckler?

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I do think Corvo is an awesome pick up. Hes playing out of his role without Redden in the lineup.
How is Corvo playing OUT OF HIS ROLE? What exactly is his role in the team?

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How is Corvo playing OUT OF HIS ROLE? What exactly is his role in the team?
I think with Redden on the team it allows Corvo to not play against some of the opponents best forwards. I would like to see Corvo out there with the Spezza, Heatley line and for the most part that line does not go up against the opponents most offensive forwards.

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I think with Redden on the team it allows Corvo to not play against some of the opponents best forwards. I would like to see Corvo out there with the Spezza, Heatley line and for the most part that line does not go up against the opponents most offensive forwards.
Spezza and Heatley are already not the best backchecking forwards and you want to add Corvo defensive's liabilities to theirs? Not the greatest of ideas IMHO.

Corvo's offensive numbers might make him a "bargain" to suiters, but quite frankly, he is a HUGE defensive liability. And that is not good when you are the defenceman. Regardless, I think he might work as a PP specialist with some work on his shooting accuracies.

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Spezza and Heatley are already not the best backchecking forwards and you want to add Corvo defensive's liabilities to theirs? Not the greatest of ideas IMHO.

Corvo's offensive numbers might make him a "bargain" to suiters, but quite frankly, he is a HUGE defensive liability. And that is not good when you are the defenceman. Regardless, I think he might work as a PP specialist with some work on his shooting accuracies.
Have him with Redden who I believe is a stabilizing blue liner on the defensive end and it will work with Corvo up with Spezza and Heatley.

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I think Burns would be the perfect coach to turn the special teams play of this team around.


I like Burns a lot and wouldn't object to him one day coaching the team, but I was a diehard Montreal fan when he coached the team between 1988 and 1992, and I kid you not that team had the worst powerplay I've ever seen in my life. If they didn't score on the rush, they didn't score. That was when I was first getting really into hockey and I remember not fully grasping the concept that it was expected that you would actually set up shop in the other teams end for a while. I also remember wishing that they'd just do away with powerplays altogether. Burns' teams may have improved on their powerplay effectiveness since then, but I have to tell you, those images are still seared into my brain to this day.

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I would do that in a heartbeat. Not because I'm sure Burns is the answer for this team, but because I know Murray isn't.

You really can't lose firing Bryan Murray... I guarantee the team won't play worse.

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Why hasn't Muckler gone after John Leclair? He's cheap, and could bring leadership and some spark...

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Why hasn't Muckler gone after John Leclair? He's cheap, and could bring leadership and some spark...


I would think that the fact that he's slow as molasses, he can't score anymore, and he can't stick on the inferior Pittsburgh Penguins might be a few of good reasons. I'm sorry, but he's done da dun dun done! The only one who hasn't realized that yet is him.

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Why hasn't Muckler gone after John Leclair? He's cheap, and could bring leadership and some spark...
I'm pretty sure LeClair's been pretty terrible this season. But hey, if he can sign for 600k or something, I suppose it's worth a shot.

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I'm pretty sure LeClair's been pretty terrible this season. But hey, if he can sign for 600k or something, I suppose it's worth a shot.
On waivers, he would have been 750K, but no one took him. Now he's UFA, so 600k might just work.

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Here I was complimenting your optimistic attitude.

You can't fire the coach after every loss.

But, I agree with all who says that Bryan Murray lacks the ability to adjust his tactics during a game. I have rarely seen a Sens team under his regime that had the ability to turn the game around when the going's not that great. How many times have we seen Ottawa come from behind?

Another example was last night, when he took too long a time to pull Emery.

The team is injury riddled and has too many 4th line/AHL players to compete against a team like Nashville. What Murray should do is change his strategy to accomodate the depleted roster.

In anycase, I don't think we would be having the conversation if the lineup was totally healthy. I still see this team as a contender when they are at full strength. Murray will probably never learn to adapt, but I don't see a coaching change doing that much for a depleted roster.

You will praise Murray in April when the team finishes second in the division as a result of the team playing at full-strength. How is that for optimism?

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The observation about too many AHL players on the Sens is right on. Denis Hamel and Serge Payer are career AHLers, Hennesey is not ready for the show yet and Kelly on the first line is a joke.

Muckler has gutted this team of its depth and they are very prone if one or two of their core players gets hurt. Bozo the Clown would be a better GM at this point

All that said, if the Sens are 100% healthy they should make the playoffs but all bets are off if the injury bug takes out a player or two.

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