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11-02-2013, 06:18 AM
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So we still havent lost a game by more than one goal have we?

Hope MT ''rest'' Bouillon tommorow

Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Bournival - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Bourque
White - Leblanc - Parros

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11-02-2013, 06:47 AM
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i fail to see how we lost the game because of therrien's 'poor coaching' and line matchups when we were the visiting team. the 4th line shat the bed big time, that's all it was

and pk is on again. called it

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11-02-2013, 06:48 AM
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- I love people imagining that Patrick Roy would've been our magic solution. Really now... one month of Roy in Colorado does NOT equal Scotty Bowman, especially if you place Roy amongst the fans and media of this frikkin crazy city. Chill out y'all.

- Leblanc is looking good. Hope the kid can keep up the energy.

- Three of our forward lines created lots of chances. Good on Harding for a great game we easily could have won.

- The Geneva Convention specifically has a clause forbidding the excessive use of Desharnais for torture. Expect Therrien to get a visit from UN inspectors.

- If we're going to crap the bed on defense, at least make it a learning experience and have Tinordi, Beaulieu and Pateryn in the game.

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11-02-2013, 06:52 AM
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i fail to see how we lost the game because of therrien's 'poor coaching' and line matchups when we were the visiting team. the 4th line shat the bed big time, that's all it was

and pk is on again. called it
Matchups, yes. Ice time, no. There is no logic in handing Desharnais 17:24 of ice time. It is unacceptable. "Here's some scissors, kid, now keep running around the house until something happens". The line generated chances, yes, but thanks to Leblanc's desperate energy.

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11-02-2013, 06:56 AM
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Bouillon achieved a whole new level of irresponsible last night. Painful to watch. But I have to believe the guy has pride and will be on the Avs' forwards like a bedbug tonight. He's not as bad as we just witnessed. I mean, how could he be?

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11-02-2013, 07:21 AM
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i fail to see how we lost the game because of therrien's 'poor coaching' and line matchups when we were the visiting team. the 4th line shat the bed big time, that's all it was

and pk is on again. called it
Come on buddy. I consider you a veteran poster. Maybe you had plenty to drink tonight and didn't pay particular attention, but how does a 4th liner play less than 5min and yet gets caught allowing 3 goals? If that's not the opposing coach schooling you on match ups, then what is?

Galchenyuk was hands down our best forward tonight, yet he's the least used top 9 forward. Explain that..

Why is DD playing as much as Plekanec until the dying seconds?

Why is Bouillon right back on the ice after making a gross mistake that lead to the 4th goal? We all know that PK would have been completely criticized if it were him doing that mistake. Where's the adjustment from Therrien? Did you notice anything different from our team from period one, to two, to three?

The 4th line is also a player selection from the coach. I mean, we all know Parros can't play hockey. Why was he inserted? Let's not pretend like the 4th line was better with him instead of Holland.

What adjustments did Therrien make in order for us to counter the opponent better?
Actually, when's the last time you saw Therrien do an in-game adjustment? Where you saw the team play a certain way, go to the locker room for intermission, come back and play completely different due to adapting to their opponent?

Therrien seems like a really chill and nice dude. I'm sure that, away from the game, if he was still a panelist, I would see him in the bars in the old port like I did with Gagnon or Bouchard, he'd be real cool and I could have a chat with him.
But right now, he's just not handling his team right.

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11-02-2013, 07:29 AM
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Bouillon achieved a whole new level of irresponsible last night. Painful to watch. But I have to believe the guy has pride and will be on the Avs' forwards like a bedbug tonight. He's not as bad as we just witnessed. I mean, how could he be?
He is.

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11-02-2013, 07:45 AM
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Not sure why this is Subban's fault. He pinched yes, but White covered, had the puck on his stick and gave it away.
Tough to justify a pinch when it's White (or Blunden, or Parros) covering you. Not a wise move on Subban's part. Aside from that, he played a great game.

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Galchenyuk was hands down our best forward tonight, yet he's the least used top 9 forward. Explain that..
I don't know if this fully explains why Galchenyuk has 2 minutes less of ice time than his linemates, but I noticed a few times where the rest of his line would come on and Bourque stayed on the ice longer than he should (either his own choice or he couldn't get back). So less time for Chucky.

Also noticed that Galchenyuk is often the first of his line to go back to the bench. Not sure why, if he's just more disciplined about his shifts or gets winded easier.

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11-02-2013, 07:59 AM
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Tough to justify a pinch when it's White (or Blunden, or Parros) covering you. Not a wise move on Subban's part. Aside from that, he played a great game.
Yeah that was a bad decision by Subban. Overall he was his usual good self, but pinching when the 4th line is out isn't worth it.

At best what happens? He pinches, keeps the puck in and hopes the elite scoring prowess of the 4th line pulls a goal out of their hat?... Not worth the risk.

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11-02-2013, 08:21 AM
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Come on buddy. I consider you a veteran poster. Maybe you had plenty to drink tonight and didn't pay particular attention, but how does a 4th liner play less than 5min and yet gets caught allowing 3 goals? If that's not the opposing coach schooling you on match ups, then what is?

Galchenyuk was hands down our best forward tonight, yet he's the least used top 9 forward. Explain that..

Why is DD playing as much as Plekanec until the dying seconds?

Why is Bouillon right back on the ice after making a gross mistake that lead to the 4th goal? We all know that PK would have been completely criticized if it were him doing that mistake. Where's the adjustment from Therrien? Did you notice anything different from our team from period one, to two, to three?

The 4th line is also a player selection from the coach. I mean, we all know Parros can't play hockey. Why was he inserted? Let's not pretend like the 4th line was better with him instead of Holland.

What adjustments did Therrien make in order for us to counter the opponent better?
Actually, when's the last time you saw Therrien do an in-game adjustment? Where you saw the team play a certain way, go to the locker room for intermission, come back and play completely different due to adapting to their opponent?

Therrien seems like a really chill and nice dude. I'm sure that, away from the game, if he was still a panelist, I would see him in the bars in the old port like I did with Gagnon or Bouchard, he'd be real cool and I could have a chat with him.
But right now, he's just not handling his team right.
i understand what you're saying and i know therrien is not all that good a coach in game situation but the 4th line getting smoked like this is on the players, not so much matchups. the fourth line is there to give rest to other players and they are not supposed to get smoked like they did last night, they are supposed to hold their own defensively at the very least.

he gets last change, the other coach will put his best line against our worst so what the 4th line is supposed to do is change as soon as possible. they were just flatout terrible tonight

i don't know why parros was dressed. can't remember but does minny have a tough guy? you know i don't like goons in the first place so w/e

as for dd's icetime, the only reason i can see is that he is trying to get him going. i see dd right now as being in a sort of terrible slump and if he gets going it's good for the team and ups his value if it comes time to trade him. the hustle is there, the effort is there, not much else though... sorry, it's the only explanation i can come up with

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i fail to see how we lost the game because of therrien's 'poor coaching' and line matchups when we were the visiting team. the 4th line shat the bed big time, that's all it was

and pk is on again. called it
After the first time MT put 4th line on and Wild put Pominville Granlund, he should have adjusted.. You just put the 4th line as soon as Pominville gets off hes not gonna jump right back in

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11-02-2013, 09:03 AM
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Matchups, yes. Ice time, no. There is no logic in handing Desharnais 17:24 of ice time. It is unacceptable. "Here's some scissors, kid, now keep running around the house until something happens". The line generated chances, yes, but thanks to Leblanc's desperate energy.
Bourque and Desharnais also played well and Leblanc wasn't the only one generating scoring chances on that line. The logic behind handing Desharnais's line that icetime is mainly due to the fact that our 4th line couldn't be relied upon and was given practically no icetime. Sure, they could've given more icetime to Plekanec or Eller's line, but that's not THE reason we lost the game.

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1. Another Subban pinch, another goal against
2. MT is a moron
3. 4th line?? wow they should just play 3.

I don't think you realized how often Subban pinches in a game successfully. Seems the couple times puck gets past him, the covering forward can't be more than a pylon.

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There was nothing wrong with PK's pinch, White was in position and Markov was in the right spot. The fact is White made a horrible play on the puck and Markov got beat because of his footspeed.

Blaming that on PK is looking for an excuse to side iwth the coach.

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There was nothing wrong with PK's pinch, White was in position and Markov was in the right spot. The fact is White made a horrible play on the puck and Markov got beat because of his footspeed.

Blaming that on PK is looking for an excuse to side iwth the coach.
Totally agree. People are asking why you would pinch with the 4th line on, but if you check everyone's positioning before you do, anything to help the 4th line maintain pressure longer in the offensive zone is a good thing. The fact that we maintained possession after the pinch justifies PK's aggressive decision, and had the rest not played out like it did it would have turned out to be a rare good shift for that line, and possibly set up the 1st line with an offensive zone faceoff at least.

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11-02-2013, 10:02 AM
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The Habs play under a handicap because they don't ice 12 NHL forwards and 6 NHL Dmen. Some players remind me of space junk. They float in space and don't do anything useful but pose a menace to functioning satellites.

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The Habs play under a handicap because they don't ice 12 NHL forwards and 6 NHL Dmen. Some players remind me of space junk. They float in space and don't do anything useful but pose a menace to functioning satellites.
Haha ironic that our most useless players are the size of space junk

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****ing Bouillon dumbass mother****er!

Why was he on the ice with Markov instead of Subban on the last goal?

And you would think Therrien would get the picture when Parros is -2...but nooo he has to roll 4 line like this is late season and the division is clinched.

Amateur ass coaching.

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****ing Bouillon dumbass mother****er!

Why was he on the ice with Markov instead of Subban on the last goal?
Subban had just played, and he can't play every single shift. This is such a stupid complaint to make.

Yes Bouillon is a terrible, terrible defenseman, yes he was totally at fault for at least two GA -- but he's on the roster and in the lineup, he's going to get playing time some way or another.

The blame is on the GM for assembling such a sorry defensive squad, and partly on Therrien for his whack-ass defensive scheme.

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The Habs play under a handicap because they don't ice 12 NHL forwards and 6 NHL Dmen. Some players remind me of space junk. They float in space and don't do anything useful but pose a menace to functioning satellites.
Finally, someone understands the gravity of the situation.

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Come on buddy. I consider you a veteran poster. Maybe you had plenty to drink tonight and didn't pay particular attention, but how does a 4th liner play less than 5min and yet gets caught allowing 3 goals? If that's not the opposing coach schooling you on match ups, then what is?

Galchenyuk was hands down our best forward tonight, yet he's the least used top 9 forward. Explain that..

Why is DD playing as much as Plekanec until the dying seconds?

Why is Bouillon right back on the ice after making a gross mistake that lead to the 4th goal? We all know that PK would have been completely criticized if it were him doing that mistake. Where's the adjustment from Therrien? Did you notice anything different from our team from period one, to two, to three?

The 4th line is also a player selection from the coach. I mean, we all know Parros can't play hockey. Why was he inserted? Let's not pretend like the 4th line was better with him instead of Holland.

What adjustments did Therrien make in order for us to counter the opponent better?
Actually, when's the last time you saw Therrien do an in-game adjustment? Where you saw the team play a certain way, go to the locker room for intermission, come back and play completely different due to adapting to their opponent?

Therrien seems like a really chill and nice dude. I'm sure that, away from the game, if he was still a panelist, I would see him in the bars in the old port like I did with Gagnon or Bouchard, he'd be real cool and I could have a chat with him.
But right now, he's just not handling his team right.
Agreed, we need a french guy to save us from the french guy who keeps over playing these god damn french guys!

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I hate to say it, but I wouldn't blame PK if he ever signed an offer-sheet for another team.
No worries. If it comes down to PK vs Therrien, Therrien is ****ing toast. And Therrien knows this.

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I always defended Roy and always will
Let's see what Roy does when the Avs have a 6 game losing streak and major injuries before we crown the guy the next Scotty Bowman, OK? Unbelievable.

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