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12-15-2006, 03:13 PM
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Luongo??

Does anybody know what the Offer from ottawa was for Luongo? I'm sure Martin would have had a good idea of the guys he wanted from us to get him. We could have done a sign and trade deal with Chara or Redden, and given them Havlat and picks or prospects. looks to me a much better deal than Bertuzzi...just my opinion.. a major f-up by Ottawa management.

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12-15-2006, 03:15 PM
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Does anybody know what the Offer from ottawa was for Luongo? I'm sure Martin would have had a good idea of the guys he wated from us to get him.
It was Keenan's call. The official package was never fully disclosed, but the general impression is that it included Havlat, Phillips, Emery and picks, at least.

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We could have done a sign and trade deal with Chara or Redden, and given them Havlat and picks or prospects. looks to me a much better deal than Bertuzzi...just my opinion.. a major f-up by Ottawa management.
Sign-and-trade deals are difficult if the player puts a no-trade clause behind it. After what happened with Hossa, it might be difficult to pull one off anytime soon without the player's say-so.

Anyway, it's fairly well-known that Ottawa has heavily involved in the negotiations. It may have even come down to something as stupid as Keenan being unwilling to trade Roberto to a team in the same Conference.

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It was something like Havlat, Phillips and some other dman or prospect if I recall.

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12-15-2006, 03:16 PM
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"Havlat's name was reportedly in a blockbuster offer Ottawa made to Florida to try to get Luongo -- the deal was reportedly, Havlat, defenseman Chris Phillips, goaltender Ray Emery and the Senator's first-round draft choice."

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The offer was Havlat,Phillips,Emery and our first round pick from what I gather.

How is it Sens managements fault that Florida did not take that offer?

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all sound like good deals to me....why didn't we get him arrg...

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12-15-2006, 03:19 PM
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Apparently it came down to Florida not wanting to deal Luongo anywhere in the East.

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12-15-2006, 03:19 PM
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Good thing theyre getting their moneys worth out of Bertuzzi.

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they would have gotten more than value from Havlat..IMO

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Considering one was an RFA and the other UFA, and the fact that Bertuzzi needed back surgery, even with Havlats girly ankles they would have been better off.

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really irkes me because i knew 4 years ago that luongo would be available...managment should have known as well and built a decent package so that we, the fans, would never be sitting here on boards like this and discussing our goaltending problems...We definately had enough players to make a great deal for him

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really irkes me because i knew 4 years ago that luongo would be available...managment should have known as well and built a decent package so that we, the fans, would never be sitting here on boards like this and discussing our goaltending problems...We definately had enough players to make a great deal for him
We offerd Havlat,Phillips,Emery and our 1st. What more do you expect from the Sens. is that not a good enough package?

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12-15-2006, 03:33 PM
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change phillips for redden...i'd do that

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then we coulda signed and kept chara

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change phillips for redden...i'd do that
Redden was a UFA. He only signed with us because we gave him a no trade clause. It does not work the way you want it. Why would a UFA defenseman sign with us only to get traded.

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Redden was also UFA.

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A lot of it came down to Keenan's preference of Bertuzzi over Havlat. It's easy to say that Havlat is better, and should have commanded more, but, if the guy at the other end of the phone disagrees, there isn't much you can do.

I also suspect that the Eastern conference factor played into it, and, there may have been a preference for Auld, over Emery. Neither goalie had an extensive track record of demonstrating they were a capable starter, so, the decision rests on a small sampling of games, and a GMs hunch as to who'll be the better guy in the long run.

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because they were both looking for big dollars...chara obviously didn't care about staying... they could have been consulted... and perhaps one would agree...who knows...fun to think about the past though...lol

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because they were both looking for big dollars...chara obviously didn't care about staying... they could have been consulted... and perhaps one would agree...who knows...fun to think about the past though...lol
If one would want to go to Florida why not wait the two weeks and sign there when free agency begins. Why would Florida give an asset up for a player that could be had for free?

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to avoid the bidding war prior

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Redden was a UFA. He only signed with us because we gave him a no trade clause. It does not work the way you want it. Why would a UFA defenseman sign with us only to get traded.
I don't think Redden's current contract had a no-trade clause, but, he also wasn't signed at the time of the deal. If he felt that he was being used as trade bait at the time, he would have insisted on it.

The idea of the UFA sign-and-trade is a fan pipe-dream. In reality, it's pretty much impossible to do without ruining your reputation among players and their agents. It's never happened in the NHL, with the exception of a couple of cases involving players making near league minimum.

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The idea of the UFA sign-and-trade is a fan pipe-dream. In reality, it's pretty much impossible to do without ruining your reputation among players and their agents. It's never happened in the NHL, with the exception of a couple of cases involving players making near league minimum.
I'm pretty sure it happened in a big way....hmmm.. Hossa/Heatley???...

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I don't think Redden's current contract had a no-trade clause, but, he also wasn't signed at the time of the deal. If he felt that he was being used as trade bait at the time, he would have insisted on it.
I'm pretty sure it does.

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to avoid the bidding war prior
But if the player has no intention of playing for Florida, he's not going to have any loyalty to them to listen to any offers before the UFA bidding.

Heck, I'd imagine that most NHL players, if they were traded to a team they had little desire to play for 2 weeks before they became UFA, they probably wouldn't even travel down to meet the GM in person.

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I'm pretty sure it happened in a big way....hmmm.. Hossa/Heatley???...
UFA and RFA are two very different situations.

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