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Downie (concussion) is probable (Nov. 12); Raffl (flu); Newbury sent to AHL (Nov. 10)

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11-02-2013, 11:06 AM
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@TSNBobMcKenzie: So, to recap: PHI loses 7-0; Lecavalier sidelined; Downie still apparently in hospital; -ve reaction to Emery fight. That's a bad night.

This org is spiralling out of control.

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Exactly, Holtby did nothing that showed me he wanted to fight. This was assault, nothing more.
That's pretty much, on the streets you'd end up in jail.

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11-02-2013, 11:08 AM
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And Vinny is out weeks, not day to day. Top scorer hurt in 100 percent pointless move.

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11-02-2013, 11:09 AM
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If that had been another goalie (who IS a fighter) pounding on Mason (who is not a fighter and who had no interest in fighting), would you have a problem with it?

I love goalie fights. That wasn't a fight.
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11-02-2013, 11:20 AM
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@TSNBobMcKenzie: So, to recap: PHI loses 7-0; Lecavalier sidelined; Downie still apparently in hospital; -ve reaction to Emery fight. That's a bad night.

This org is spiralling out of control.
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It shouldn't be surprising. It is, but it shouldn't be.

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11-02-2013, 11:24 AM
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Philly Daily News within the last 10 minutes:



Source: Frank Seravalli, Philadelphia Daily News (Nov. 2, approx. 11:05 a.m.)
Please keep us posted, thank you for posting.

Best wishes to Downie for a complete recovery.

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11-02-2013, 11:31 AM
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Reminds me of when Briere and Grossmann both bot concussed during practice last year. Wrong way of resolving a frustrating Situation.

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11-02-2013, 12:01 PM
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I loved it. It's the only thing I've had to cheer about. I want emery to assault anyone he wants.

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11-02-2013, 12:05 PM
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Can't even goon it up right. Lost two important players to injury because of it including one that didn't even have one full game played for us yet.

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I loved it. It's the only thing I've had to cheer about. I want emery to assault anyone he wants.

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11-02-2013, 12:08 PM
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In a sad way, Downie should be happy that he got hurt. Getting hurt while defending the honor of the franchise almost assures that Homer overpays to keep him here long term. You know, because the Flyers love them some loyalty and sacrifice in the name of the club.

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11-02-2013, 12:09 PM
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Downie did the right thing by jumping in to defend a teammate though. Volpatti was out of his weight/size class but he did the right thing. It just had a very unfortunate outcome. Downie is a team first player. I just wish Hartnell or Simmonds or anyone larger would have been the one fighting Volpatti, my displeasure with Hartnell continues to increase.

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11-02-2013, 12:10 PM
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Lost two important players to injury because of it including one that didn't even have one full game played for us yet.
This is the worst part; Lecavalier has been one of the lone bright spots this season and I was excited to see what Downie could do.

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11-02-2013, 12:15 PM
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This team is mismanaged, and it starts at the top (ownership).

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11-02-2013, 12:18 PM
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I loved it. It's the only thing I've had to cheer about. I want emery to assault anyone he wants.
Great, and when people complain that Flyers fans are a bunch of neanderthals, comments like this are the reason. Fortunately, most Flyer fans have been pretty turned off by what happened yesterday. Unfortunately, most people will choose to remember comments like this, more.

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This team is mismanaged, and it starts at the top (ownership).
Because Downie got a concussion or because non of our players actually perform like they are supposed and able to?

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11-02-2013, 12:23 PM
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Serious question, how the hell does Snider interfere outside of pushing for a goalie?

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11-02-2013, 12:28 PM
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I loved it. It's the only thing I've had to cheer about. I want emery to assault anyone he wants.
Wow.

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11-02-2013, 12:31 PM
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Because Downie got a concussion or because non of our players actually perform like they are supposed and able to?
The events that led to Downie's concussion are a symptom of what I'm talking about.

Emery's presence isn't a good thing. His stupid decision was what set that whole line brawl in motion. There was no good god damn reason for him to skate the length of the ice and jump an unwilling opponent just because he was mad about getting lit up in net. He is a mediocre back-up that doesn't bring anything to the team to justify **** like yesterday. I guess I'm just annoyed at the steps this team is taking backward at the hands of Paul Holmgren. This team makes bad personnel decisions more often than it makes good ones and Emery is just the latest.

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11-02-2013, 12:32 PM
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Seriously guys. Is emery kind of a dick? Totally, but let's stop acting like he took his skate off and tried to cut is throat with it. I SERIOUSLY doubt that emery had any intentions to seriously injure Holtby. Jackass move, yes, but it's not like he chased him down and broke both of his legs.

This is getting blown way out of proportion by EVERYONE.

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11-02-2013, 12:35 PM
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Serious question, how the hell does Snider interfere outside of pushing for a goalie?
He is known to influence personnel decisions beyond just Bryzgalov (I'm assuming that's what you're alluding to). But even if he wasn't that alone is enough. We traded away a cost-controlled 24 year old Vezina-winner so that we could massively overpay a sieve. It's a joke. Our team is a joke right now.

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He is known to influence personnel decisions beyond just Bryzgalov (I'm assuming that's what you're alluding to). But even if he wasn't that alone is enough. We traded away a cost-controlled 24 year old Vezina-winner so that we could massively overpay a sieve. It's a joke. Our team is a joke right now.
Well that is what I am asking, what personnel decisions? I'm genuinely curious. Posters always point to snider as being so pushy, yet never mention what outside of the Richards/Carter/Bryz/Bob saga

And for what it's worth, Bob hadn't won a Vezina when we traded him.

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Seriously guys. Is emery kind of a dick? Totally, but let's stop acting like he took his skate off and tried to cut is throat with it. I SERIOUSLY doubt that emery had any intentions to seriously injure Holtby. Jackass move, yes, but it's not like he chased him down and broke both of his legs.

This is getting blown way out of proportion by EVERYONE.
Is that the new minimum for receipt of criticism? You have to attempt to injure someone with your skate before people are justified in complaining about you? Emery isn't "kind of a dick", he's a massive dick, and a stupid one that can barely play net at the NHL level.

Holtby didn't want to fight and didn't do anything that he needed to answer for. But the NHL is a big boy league and sometimes you gott scrap whether you like it or not, so I can se Emery's dickishness aside there. My big complaint isn't that he's a dick, it's that he's STUPID and reckless, and it ended up costing the team a lot.

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Well that is what I am asking, what personnel decisions? I'm genuinely curious. Posters always point to snider as being so pushy, yet never mention what outside of the Richards/Carter/Bryz/Bob saga

And for what it's worth, Bob hadn't won a Vezina when we traded him.
Irrelevant, the point is that he was a sensational talent. I'd much rather he won the Vezina with us and Columbus had signed Bryzgalov. As for other personnel decisions, you can go look for yourself at documented instances of Snider being a very hands on owner and pushing for acquisitions. I don't even think you would have to leave the board. There are posters here who supposedly have seen Snider having conversations with Holmgren from his box discussing personnel moves.

But even if I were to concede that the Bryzgalov situation was the only one firmly tied to Snider's meddling, again that's enough. If we give Holmgren ownership of all the other personnel decisions, that's fine. My comment was that the org was mis-managed and that it was from the tp down, not exclusively that the problem was at the very top. There is not enough of a meritocracy in place. It's too much of a good old boys club.


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I am really getting concerned with the lack of information on Downie.

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Well that is what I am asking, what personnel decisions? I'm genuinely curious. Posters always point to snider as being so pushy, yet never mention what outside of the Richards/Carter/Bryz/Bob saga

And for what it's worth, Bob hadn't won a Vezina when we traded him.
I don't believe Snider is Jerry Jones behind the scenes making decisions on personel... but he is the one who decides who makes those decisions. He picked Holmgren to be GM and continue on the brawn over skill philosophy of the organization.

When others suggest that its time for the Flyers to change that approach he goes back to the storied history of what previously worked for the Flyers, but hasn't resulted in a championship in 3 decades.

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