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11-02-2013, 07:17 PM
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Filip Forsberg (Update: Sent back to the Ads)

I'm a bit confused - is there a contractual reason why Forsberg is getting scratched constantly?

He has yet to play in 10 games over an entire season (despite playing in a total of 14 games so far in his NHL career). Is that the reason? Are we trying to send him to Milwaukee, but he's refusing or something?

Someone help me out with this.

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11-02-2013, 07:26 PM
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Don't think the contract status has anything to do with it. I think there's some rookie flaws still in his game, some iffy two-way play, and, like many of our forwards, a lack of creating much of anything at even strength. With Nystrom being a fixture on the 3rd line (which he's earned), Forsberg is also one of 6 wingers competing for 5 spots (Forsberg, Hornqvist, Wilson, Smith, Stalberg, Bourque). Due to the above factors, he would seem to be one of the odd men out in some matchups.

Personally, I also think he's a a bit physically overmatched at this level, and could use some seasoning in Milwaukee before he's ready to make an impact at this level.

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11-02-2013, 07:27 PM
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Its because Trotz doesn't believe in offense and when Forsberg does something offensive it scares him

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I think he's supposed to play tonight.

Willy Daunic ‏@WillyD1025 4h
Clune and Forsberg will be back in the lineup tonight for the #Preds. Hendricks (inj) and Bourque will rotate out.

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Don't think the contract status has anything to do with it. I think there's some rookie flaws still in his game, some iffy two-way play, and, like many of our forwards, a lack of creating much of anything at even strength. With Nystrom being a fixture on the 3rd line (which he's earned), Forsberg is also one of 6 wingers competing for 5 spots (Forsberg, Hornqvist, Wilson, Smith, Stalberg, Bourque). Due to the above factors, he would seem to be one of the odd men out in some matchups.

Personally, I also think he's a a bit physically overmatched at this level, and could use some seasoning in Milwaukee before he's ready to make an impact at this level.
I agree with what you have said here. IMO I think he just isn't ready for this level yet. All of his points have come on the pp so far and he is a -7. His lone goal was on a 5 on 3 pp.

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Its because Trotz doesn't believe in offense and when Forsberg does something offensive it scares him
This is 100% true

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Its because Trotz doesn't believe in offense and when Forsberg does something offensive it scares him
I really hope you forgot to use your sarcasm smiley.

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0-3-1 when he's scratched.

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FF is young and it's going to be a long season. Doesn't want to burn him out.

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Forsberg's even strength performance this season is offensive. No points, not even on the ice for a single ES goal, -7. Forsberg, Clune, and Stalberg are the only three forwards on the team without at least one point at ES.

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0-3-1 when he's scratched.
Two of those losses were when he was injured at the start of the season ... so, 0-1-1 when he's a healthy scratch.

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Its because Trotz doesn't believe in offense and when Forsberg does something offensive it scares him
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I think if Forsberg was eligible to go to Milwaukee he might be sent down but I believe he either has to stay here or go back to Sweden


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Its because Trotz doesn't believe in offense and when Forsberg does something offensive it scares him

I know this is said somewhat jokingly but its getting kinda silly

Trotz had no problem caching Kariya, Sullivan, Arnott and Dumont...

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I know this is said somewhat jokingly but its getting kinda silly

Trotz had no problem caching Kariya, Sullivan, Arnott and Dumont...
All of those players were Vets when Trotz got them. He has yet to allow a young player to open up his game.

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I think if Forsberg was eligible to go to Milwaukee he might be sent down but I believe he either has to stay here or go back to Sweden




He can go to Milwaukee. The age restriction does not apply to Euro kids who were never drafted into or played in the CHL.

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All of those players were Vets when Trotz got them. He has yet to allow a young player to open up his game.
Hall, Hartnell, Radulov ... all allowed to score in Nashville but expected to play professional style hockey, not pond hockey.

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All of those players were Vets when Trotz got them. He has yet to allow a young player to open up his game.
Hartnell, Radulov, to name two. Hornqvist hasn't turned out too bad, considering he was a 7th round pick. Erat developed into a consistent 50+ point player. Sergei Kostitsyn had his best two statistical seasons under Trotz.

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Hall, Hartnell, Radulov ... all allowed to score in Nashville but expected to play professional style hockey, not pond hockey.
One of these things is not like the others............. 65 totals goals in 602 Career Games ... Hartnell had 47 goals in his last 2 seasons here, Rudi (44 Goals in 2 seasons)

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One of these things is not like the others............. 65 totals goals in 602 Career Games ... Hartnell had 47 goals in his last 2 seasons here, Rudi (44 Goals in 2 seasons)
Hall's usually part of the "why do so many Preds do great after they leave here (Peverley, Santorelli), but players suck when they come to play here, it must be Trotz" argument. Yeah, well Trotz could get Adam ****** Hall to score double digit goals in three consecutive seasons...

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One of these things is not like the others............. 65 totals goals in 602 Career Games ... Hartnell had 47 goals in his last 2 seasons here, Rudi (44 Goals in 2 seasons)
Look at Hall's numbers as a Pred. Three full seasons, 43 goals (16g in 02-03, 13g in 03-04, 14g in 05-06). Hartnell also put up 18 goals in 59 games the season before you noted ... a 25 goal pace for a full season. Radulov's 44 goals over two seasons included appearing in only 64 games his first season.

The Trotz kills all offense diatribes just don't hold up.

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11-02-2013, 09:26 PM
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Look at Hall's numbers as a Pred. Three full seasons, 43 goals (16g in 02-03, 13g in 03-04, 14g in 05-06). Hartnell also put up 18 goals in 59 games the season before you noted ... a 25 goal pace for a full season. Radulov's 44 goals over two seasons included appearing in only 64 games his first season.

The Trotz kills all offense diatribes just don't hold up.
Look, I agree with Spaceman & Hartnell, but Hall is a grinder, plain and simple, the #'s speak to it.

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Look, I agree with Spaceman & Hartnell, but Hall is a grinder, plain and simple, the #'s speak to it.
Yet he was a grinder averaging over 14 goals per season as a Pred. He was the type secondary scorer we, and every team, need. He sure didn't provide many assists as a Pred, but he got the puck in the net.

It's funny how Hall's 14 goals per season are written off as him just being a grinder yet that Henrik Sedin guy only averages 15 goals season (plus a hell of a lot of assists).

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He can go to Milwaukee. The age restriction does not apply to Euro kids who were never drafted into or played in the CHL.
I wasnt thinking age restriction I was thinking transfer agreement stipulation like Ekholm had a couple of years ago

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I agree with what you have said here. IMO I think he just isn't ready for this level yet. All of his points have come on the pp so far and he is a -7. His lone goal was on a 5 on 3 pp.

Is a Powerplay goal not a goal? I understand he needs to learn a little defense but to me a goal is a goal.

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Is a Powerplay goal not a goal? I understand he needs to learn a little defense but to me a goal is a goal.
His only goal is on a 5on3. Nothing at ES. No goals 5on4. Every assist is a secondary assist on the power play. Over 90 minutes of even strength time coming into tonight .... 0g, 0a, -7.

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