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11-01-2013, 01:34 PM
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Well hearing that your Dad is bad at his job, or should be fired, or more likely (considering the age group), sucks, is not anything a younger child should have to deal with.

Edit: I'm just saying we should not be justifying the heckling of athletes outside of the sports arena. People will say it comes with the territory, but I'd argue that that's a sad indictment of the territory more than anything else.
Meh. Cruel kids/people live in every city.

The only difference in this city is Eakins & his family would be recognized everywhere they go.

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Well hearing that your Dad is bad at his job, or should be fired, or more likely (considering the age group), sucks, is not anything a younger child should have to deal with.

Edit: I'm just saying we should not be justifying the heckling of athletes outside of the sports arena. People will say it comes with the territory, but I'd argue that that's a sad indictment of the territory more than anything else.
No is justifying it or saying that it is ok... but such is life of a "famous" person.
Lets hope the team turns it around and all the Buchbergers, Eakins' and Ference's in EDM become the talk of the school in a good way.

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Meh. Cruel kids/people live in every city.

The only difference in this city is Eakins & his family would be recognized everywhere they go.
True, but this is just another reason that players find it difficult to play in markets like Edmonton, and I think it's a legitimate one.

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11-01-2013, 02:12 PM
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It's probably been covered, but I'm mystified at our huge drop in PP and PK units. We've had the same assistants for a few seasons now, is Eakins system so different we cannot execute it properly? Do the Assistants have no say in the matter?

Would not Smith or Bucky speak up at some point and say "errr....coach....we went from 29th and 30th to top ten in both categories....perhaps you should look at this system Ralphie had..." You can't tell me Smith or Bucky did not learn Ralph's system for special teams (they were with him for two full years.)

Our special teams remind me of what we were doing when MacT was coaching...in other words...nothing.

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11-01-2013, 03:19 PM
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It's probably been covered, but I'm mystified at our huge drop in PP and PK units. We've had the same assistants for a few seasons now, is Eakins system so different we cannot execute it properly? Do the Assistants have no say in the matter?

Would not Smith or Bucky speak up at some point and say "errr....coach....we went from 29th and 30th to top ten in both categories....perhaps you should look at this system Ralphie had..." You can't tell me Smith or Bucky did not learn Ralph's system for special teams (they were with him for two full years.)

Our special teams remind me of what we were doing when MacT was coaching...in other words...nothing.
I like the agressiveness of our PK.. we are as much a threat as the other team when down a man.. I know Belanger and Petrell might be better options but I love watching Hemsky and Ebs killing penalties.. On PP I agree we just stand around playing hot potato for the 'perfect chance'

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I like the agressiveness of our PK.. we are as much a threat as the other team when down a man.. I know Belanger and Petrell might be better options but I love watching Hemsky and Ebs killing penalties.. On PP I agree we just stand around playing hot potato for the 'perfect chance'
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So this is how it is going to play. The media are going to deliver his notes. Not sure if I like this take pretty easy to do deliver something and people will stop calling for your head. This year so far appears as a huge step backwards and the fans are not digging it. The only issue I have is when I see Jones out on the 2PP I like Jones but he is not a sniper.
I don't live in Edmonton anymore but this type of stuff goes back years it is part of the passion coach in the States if you don't want to be known.

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11-01-2013, 04:26 PM
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Well hearing that your Dad is bad at his job, or should be fired, or more likely (considering the age group), sucks, is not anything a younger child should have to deal with.

Edit: I'm just saying we should not be justifying the heckling of athletes outside of the sports arena. People will say it comes with the territory, but I'd argue that that's a sad indictment of the territory more than anything else.
Can't say I agree. In the instance where Eakins child reportedly experienced that it was another child doing the heckling. I don't think too much of anything can be made out of a kid heckling in this manner or how it reflects on our territory or anything.

I don't see the issue either, its not an issue for Eakins and he's saying its not an issue. He's saying the feedback is fair and reasonable and expects it. He's stated that he would hate coaching in a market that lacked this type of passion. He's saying the same fanbase heckling at a gaspump might be buying him gas at some future point (hey he can think that but highly unlikely...)

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11-01-2013, 04:31 PM
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True, but this is just another reason that players find it difficult to play in markets like Edmonton, and I think it's a legitimate one.
Eakins by his own statements wouldn't have it any other way and is STATING he would much prefer being in such a passionate market.

Some of the players/personnel that don't want such criticism may be individuals that you don't necessarily want. I fail to see how much competitive individuals that truly want to be their best and win would have much of a problem in this market.

I'll use this cities other sports club as an example. The Eskimos truly suck in every way. Yet this doesn't stop the fanbase from having continued respect in the players that are actually putting it on the line every week for the club. So that efforts like Stamps, Reilly, Bowman, Hill, Curran, get acknowledged. But yeah, if you're playing poorly here you'll here about it. That could be even a motivating factor.

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11-01-2013, 05:10 PM
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His news conferences are great but I'm not impressed at his ability to adapt to the players we have.

PK - Players like the Nuge and Eberle can survive on the PK because they are somewhat defensively responsible. Hall, Gagner, Hemsky look lost out there. So, were bleeding goals on the PK and not generating offense yet Aikens states he's not changing anything.
PP - Our half wall one-timer (especially by Yakupov) is non-existant.
Matchups - Players like Gagner and Yakupov who need soft minutes are given hard minutes. No change is made during the game eventhough they are clearly overwhelmed.
Forecheck - We have a small team yet are trying to forecheck like a large one. You keep having a small guy hit a big guy and eventually the small one will get hurt.

I thing Aikens system would be good with a team like the Kings or St. Louis, but unlike Renney or Krueger, Aikens doesn't seem to be able to adapt to conceal this teams weaknesses.

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True, but this is just another reason that players find it difficult to play in markets like Edmonton, and I think it's a legitimate one.
I strongly disagree, if players find it difficult to play in a passionate market then i think they would have to spend some alone time and carefully reflect on why they decided to play in a sport for a living.

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11-02-2013, 07:30 AM
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Can't say I agree. In the instance where Eakins child reportedly experienced that it was another child doing the heckling. I don't think too much of anything can be made out of a kid heckling in this manner or how it reflects on our territory or anything.

I don't see the issue either, its not an issue for Eakins and he's saying its not an issue. He's saying the feedback is fair and reasonable and expects it. He's stated that he would hate coaching in a market that lacked this type of passion. He's saying the same fanbase heckling at a gaspump might be buying him gas at some future point (hey he can think that but highly unlikely...)
You mustn't have kids replacement. It's one thing for fans to come at him, entirely different for kids to come at his kids. It's tough enough being a child today- they should feel safe and comfortable going to school. I have a little one- and I can't imagine how hard it is for him to see his daughter having a hard time. Kids do not have the thick skin of adults and take everything personally.

As for his comments, when he's saying he doesn't want to coach where the fanbase isn't passionate- he is referring to himself. He can handle fans coming at him- his kids- entirely different matter---I feel for him. It's hard to send your kid off knowing they'll be teased and picked on.

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11-03-2013, 12:04 AM
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After talking his way into some fans good books with that presser earlier this week talking about upping the compete level, they come out with a dud like this. I know this is on the players but a lot of this has to do with coaching, I have never seen them look this bad

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11-03-2013, 12:26 AM
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Eakins sounded like a beaten man in tonight's post game.

The end might be near.

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11-03-2013, 12:44 AM
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You mustn't have kids replacement. It's one thing for fans to come at him, entirely different for kids to come at his kids. It's tough enough being a child today- they should feel safe and comfortable going to school. I have a little one- and I can't imagine how hard it is for him to see his daughter having a hard time. Kids do not have the thick skin of adults and take everything personally.

As for his comments, when he's saying he doesn't want to coach where the fanbase isn't passionate- he is referring to himself. He can handle fans coming at him- his kids- entirely different matter---I feel for him. It's hard to send your kid off knowing they'll be teased and picked on.
I agree.
Fans need to have a little more tact when a man is out with his kids.

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I don't think Eakins is arrogant. I think he just underestimated how deep the culture of losing was ingrained within the team when he first took over. It's kind of funny and sad at the same time really. He sounded so firm before the season began saying, "We are going to compete!" etc. etc, but he becomes more and more unsure as the losses pile up.

From the top brass to coaching and even down to the players. This team might be more ****ed up than we thought.

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I think he should provide the media with a bunch of donuts tomorrow. That should fix things right up.

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I don't think Eakins is arrogant. I think he just underestimated how deep the culture of losing was ingrained within the team when he first took over. It's kind of funny and sad at the same time really. He sounded so firm before the season began saying, "We are going to compete!" etc. etc, but he becomes more and more unsure as the losses pile up.

From the top brass to coaching and even down to the players. This team might be more ****ed up than we thought.
His last press conf, you could tell he was just idk the word, couldn't understand it

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11-03-2013, 01:06 AM
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Team looks worse than any part of rebuilds but I guess that's not the rookie coach fault.

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I don't think Eakins is arrogant. I think he just underestimated how deep the culture of losing was ingrained within the team when he first took over. It's kind of funny and sad at the same time really. He sounded so firm before the season began saying, "We are going to compete!" etc. etc, but he becomes more and more unsure as the losses pile up.

From the top brass to coaching and even down to the players. This team might be more ****ed up than we thought.
The culture of losing is worse with Eakins as Coach. I do not buy it, we have better players this year as well. The team should be better, Eakins should not blame any culture but the one he's creating.

The problems of this team start at the top as well. Time to resign Lowe, they don't want to fire you. Please show an ounce of honour.

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11-03-2013, 01:16 AM
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The culture of losing is worse with Eakins as Coach. I do not buy it, we have better players this year as well. The team should be better, Eakins should not blame any culture but the one he's creating.

The problems of this team start at the top as well. Time to resign Lowe, they don't want to fire you. Please show an ounce of honour.
Ference basically said the players weren't buying in. The problem is that Eakins had guys fully on board earlier this season and our goalies were crapping the bed and we were breaking down in the defensive zone because the guys didnt know how to play basic defence. That resulted in a bunch of losses and now they've regressed to their old ways.

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The culture of losing is worse with Eakins as Coach. I do not buy it, we have better players this year as well. The team should be better, Eakins should not blame any culture but the one he's creating.

The problems of this team start at the top as well. Time to resign Lowe, they don't want to fire you. Please show an ounce of honour.
Lowe should be gone totally agree but its almost antithetical at this point to do so if he wants to save his "legacy" (heavy sarcasm)

I dont believe in firing Eakins at this point if your a veteran coach looking for a job you wouldnt work for them because of management.

Realistic decision is to start dissecting and see what you have to sell ( but dont sell low)

See who cares and regardless of talent trade. It could mean players who have high pedigree, but you cant send guys with big contracts to juniors you need to create team identity. I for one think there is star players with too much control of the team.

Best thing would be to get rid of upper management, but it aint happening

In the end the analogy im using is a stock price one - on x day it was worth this now it equals this (essentially lower value of these players)

You either hope rnh, eberle, hall, yakapov increase there value (so then you can trade them if it comes down to philosophical/personal reasons)

Keep them

And then use the 2014 first rounder right now for a top goalie or d man.

But i think you have to have a major makeover. Its not a tweak job either its a team you need about 5-6 new players (2 top d man, a better goalie tandem (2 system goalie with no #1s available), and a simmonds/schenn/landeskog/bickel/ backes type forward, a two way center can play your top 6.

Players cant be given complete freedom. Dubnyk could go on waivers tomorrow and no team would pick him up. Im done with him.

If you plan to keep guys and not showcase them for a trade then reward players for compete, drive, effort = accountability

Blatantly as management see who wants to be here. Its sad that guys with less talent but work had would get more minutes but i think as fans we would rather see 4th liners who give a damn then there first line counterparts

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11-03-2013, 01:09 AM
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Although MacT made some good moves by bringing in Ference, Perron and Gordon, the hiring of Eakins was a big mistake. He should have given Kruger a chance to work with this group and see where he could take them. I think Kruger was a coach that the team would have progressed with and that this team enjoyed playing for.

I now look back and see why Burke made the decision to not hire Eakins to take over as head coaching job for the Leafs. Eakins at best may be a good assistant coach but not head coach material in the NHL.

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I am just staggered by how terrible the special teams are this season.

I think it's obvious to anyone that they will be giving Eakins the full season.

We'll see Hemsky and N. Schultz moved in the next 10-15 games I think. With the Oilers holding onto some salary. Then, after this season (unless something materializes) they will need to make some real decisions on Hall, RNH, Eberle and Yakupov. I would not be opposed to moving BOTH Eberle and Yakupov to get the right pieces in place (a no.1/2 D and a top 6 RW with skill and grit). I am also 100% fine with trading Justin Schultz, who is not going to be effective here - and not worth the money he'll be asking for.

This was MacT's hire and a rookie GM isn't going to fire a rookie coach after 20 games...the only comparable would be Barry Melrose - who was canned after a 5-7-4 start with Tampa in 2008-2009.

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